Umm....The the hell is this?
#27
Super Member
I just mentally can't get over FWD dynamics in a luxury brand. With the S4/S5 you would never know because of the torque split etc and they tune the chassis very well but just knowing that if I had a 2.0T that it was a FWD engineered car, that would bother me
#29
Super Member
right, but it is based on the A4, which comes standard with FWD. One of the biggest drawbacks of a FWD engineered chassis is that the midpoint of the engine is always in front of the front axle, which places a lot weight in the front of the car, thus creating front-heavy driving dynamics of a FWD car. these images tell a good deal of the story. Clarkson also spoke on this when reviewing the B7 RS4
#31
Super Member
Anyways, I've taken this thread far off topic - back to those ugly bumpers!
Last edited by topsider; 05-23-2016 at 12:44 PM.
#32
If that was unrelated, why wouldn't they just move the engines rearward in a future chassis iteration for better handling? It's all down to cost consciousness and being able to share designs with VW. As much as I don't like the Japanese brands you gotta respect that Toyota (Lexus) and Nissan (Infiniti) took the time and money to engineer proper rear-drive chassis.
Anyways, I've taken this thread far off topic - back to those ugly bumpers!
Anyways, I've taken this thread far off topic - back to those ugly bumpers!
The have to re-fit the engine long-ways to accommodate the rear-drive part of the quattro system. But instead of simply letting engine stay well aft of the front axle and closer to the firewall - like MB has a habit of doing.......what do they do? Put all that engine before the axle, and resort to mechanical trickery (optional Audi Drive Select) to make if feel like it's RWD.
Oh, and thanks for the show & tell pictures, 'cause everytime I think I'm going to get myself an S or RS (love me some RS5s), I can't pull the trigger and have to spend my cash elsewhere. Just can't do it. Not with 67/33 or 69/31 4matic staring me in the face.
Wanna hear more ? They have a FWD A-8 in Europe!! A big frickin A-8 pulled along by the front wheels. Brilliant. Now that's some crazy sh......stuff right there. Even Cadillac has moved mostly away from that silliness, but just in time for Ford-Lincoln to do it with the new Crown Victoria & Continental. Idiotas. Like having an AWD version makes it better (translation: The so-called hi-performance Ford Taurus SHO comes with AWD, but has torque-steer and understeer. What?)
Now I feel better. And here I thought I was the only one that hates the Audi FWD platform with their failure to have one knowledgeable, REAL car guy - just one! - calling the shots when doing the quattro platforms.
#33
Super Member
No offense, but bleep the ugly bumper.......we'll get back on MB's case shortly. Now, to those ***-backwards Audi engineers/corporate big shots and topsider's super-valid point.
The have to re-fit the engine long-ways to accommodate the rear-drive part of the quattro system. But instead of simply letting engine stay well aft of the front axle and closer to the firewall - like MB has a habit of doing.......what do they do? Put all that engine before the axle, and resort to mechanical trickery (optional Audi Drive Select) to make if feel like it's RWD.
Oh, and thanks for the show & tell pictures, 'cause everytime I think I'm going to get myself an S or RS (love me some RS5s), I can't pull the trigger and have to spend my cash elsewhere. Just can't do it. Not with 67/33 or 69/31 4matic staring me in the face.
Wanna hear more ? They have a FWD A-8 in Europe!! A big frickin A-8 pulled along by the front wheels. Brilliant. Now that's some crazy sh......stuff right there. Even Cadillac has moved mostly away from that silliness, but just in time for Ford-Lincoln to do it with the new Crown Victoria & Continental. Idiotas. Like having an AWD version makes it better (translation: The so-called hi-performance Ford Taurus SHO comes with AWD, but has torque-steer and understeer. What?)
Now I feel better. And here I thought I was the only one that hates the Audi FWD platform with their failure to have one knowledgeable, REAL car guy - just one! - calling the shots when doing the quattro platforms.
The have to re-fit the engine long-ways to accommodate the rear-drive part of the quattro system. But instead of simply letting engine stay well aft of the front axle and closer to the firewall - like MB has a habit of doing.......what do they do? Put all that engine before the axle, and resort to mechanical trickery (optional Audi Drive Select) to make if feel like it's RWD.
Oh, and thanks for the show & tell pictures, 'cause everytime I think I'm going to get myself an S or RS (love me some RS5s), I can't pull the trigger and have to spend my cash elsewhere. Just can't do it. Not with 67/33 or 69/31 4matic staring me in the face.
Wanna hear more ? They have a FWD A-8 in Europe!! A big frickin A-8 pulled along by the front wheels. Brilliant. Now that's some crazy sh......stuff right there. Even Cadillac has moved mostly away from that silliness, but just in time for Ford-Lincoln to do it with the new Crown Victoria & Continental. Idiotas. Like having an AWD version makes it better (translation: The so-called hi-performance Ford Taurus SHO comes with AWD, but has torque-steer and understeer. What?)
Now I feel better. And here I thought I was the only one that hates the Audi FWD platform with their failure to have one knowledgeable, REAL car guy - just one! - calling the shots when doing the quattro platforms.
The former head of Quattro now heads up BMW M, maybe he was sick of it too!
Last edited by topsider; 05-23-2016 at 12:49 PM.
#34
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How is their engine placement and handling characteristics completely unrelated to FWD design? If it is unrelated, why wouldn't they just move the engines rearward in a future chassis iteration for better handling? It's all down to cost consciousness and being able to share designs with VW. As much as I don't like the Japanese brands you gotta respect that Toyota (Lexus) and Nissan (Infiniti) took the time and money to engineer proper rear-drive chassis.
Anyways, I've taken this thread far off topic - back to those ugly bumpers!
Anyways, I've taken this thread far off topic - back to those ugly bumpers!
For real though, they simply don't have driving dynamics dialed in. Pushing the engine behind the front axle has yet to prove to solve it for them.
#35
Super Member
#36
Should think about going for sedan or BMW 435i since there is huge discounts these days. Damm.. Or maybe, maybe c coupe if it's unnoticeable in gray or blue.
#37
MBWorld Fanatic!
If those are trap doors for hidden machine guns, I'd be okay with them. Still ugly, but other drivers would think twice about criticizing them.
I don't think the bumps would bother you much once you had the car for awhile. Like when you first meet a girl and you notice she has a slight overbite, but after you sleep with her a couple of times you totally don't even see the overbite anymore.
Unless you marry her. Then ALL you see is that stupid f'ing overbite. But I digress.
I don't think the bumps would bother you much once you had the car for awhile. Like when you first meet a girl and you notice she has a slight overbite, but after you sleep with her a couple of times you totally don't even see the overbite anymore.
Unless you marry her. Then ALL you see is that stupid f'ing overbite. But I digress.
Last edited by Mike5215; 05-23-2016 at 04:17 PM.
#38
Super Member
I saw the coupe at the dealer in blue, didn't really mind the bumps that much. One this i did notice is that the backseat is a complete joke. you would have to have no legs to be able to sit back there, and a 1 inch neck.
#39
I've also got a couple 5'8" guys thay work for me that are going to want me to drive to lunch on Fridays...sucks to be them trying to squeeze in the back.
#40
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Yeah, that's a concern. I know our A5 had a very tight back seat and anyone who rode back there for more than a few minutes got car-sick. I treat a coupe like that as a 2 seater for all practical purposes.
#41
Junior Member
I was at the dealer and saw them on a white C coupe in white.. These ugly *** bumpers **** look ridiculous, like a bad boob job. I have a new coupe being delivered this week and trading in my 2015 C 63S. If they cannot be removed they may be a deal killer. At a close inspection they look like they are just bolted on from behind for appearance. Saw them again today on a new C43 Burgundy Convertible. Looked better than white but still , Horrible !!!
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I don't like it but for me it isn't a big enough deal.
You could probably get rid of them somehow. There HAS to be a way...
You could probably get rid of them somehow. There HAS to be a way...
#47
Junior Member
OMG !!!!!
Traded in my 2015 C 63S sedan for delivery of my Silver 2017 C63 coupe. It was like looking at a new born with a birth defect on it's *** ! Before getting the keys ,went straight to parts to get a copy of the bumper details and drove it to the dealers body shop to remove this cancer. Getting estimates now. I refused to send pics to friends of the *** end for fear the would lol. It's a shame you spend this kind of money and need body work on new paint with 12 miles.
AMG is better than this.
Love everything about the New Coupe but the rear bumper. I will not be happy with this car till the bumper facelift is complete. Then, I can take it out in public w/o backing in to a parking spot. Keep you posted as to details of sugary and cost.
Pissed off new owner
Traded in my 2015 C 63S sedan for delivery of my Silver 2017 C63 coupe. It was like looking at a new born with a birth defect on it's *** ! Before getting the keys ,went straight to parts to get a copy of the bumper details and drove it to the dealers body shop to remove this cancer. Getting estimates now. I refused to send pics to friends of the *** end for fear the would lol. It's a shame you spend this kind of money and need body work on new paint with 12 miles.
AMG is better than this.
Love everything about the New Coupe but the rear bumper. I will not be happy with this car till the bumper facelift is complete. Then, I can take it out in public w/o backing in to a parking spot. Keep you posted as to details of sugary and cost.
Pissed off new owner