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A guy who owns a shop did that mod for his wife's car. It was pretty extensive. They had to custom build brackets to accommodate the wider and longer nose, and of course buy the parts themselves.
i work at a mb dealer the parts should fit with out a problem, u might have to buy some mounting brackets from a c63 , but thats about it. the c63 is not longer it might look longer because of the beefed up front end buts is the same chasis...
No, the C63 has a different structural unibody forward of the A pillar to accommodate the wider front suspension and the wider hood and fenders. There are no OEM brackets that will allow you to graft a C63 front to a C300/C450. (If you find some, post the MB part numbers!)
There's a thread around here from a guy who actually did the mod.
I assume it should fit with new (modified) brackets. Mike, do you know exactly what was the price? I've searched alot on this subject and didn't saw that thread.
No, the C63 has a different structural unibody forward of the A pillar to accommodate the wider front suspension and the wider hood and fenders. There are no OEM brackets that will allow you to graft a C63 front to a C300/C450. (If you find some, post the MB part numbers!)
There's a thread around here from a guy who actually did the mod.
The c63 and c450 use the same rad support, Which is were everything mounts up to in the front the cars. hood locks head light brackets, bumper brackets. reinforcements. your statement makes no sense MB is not going make half a chassis different to accommodate a bigger engine, or a wider body. they mount up to the same chassis components just bigger brackets. now the mounting brackets for the bumper and fenders are different because of the dimension difference in the body components.
The c63 and c450 use the same rad support, Which is were everything mounts up to in the front the cars. hood locks head light brackets, bumper brackets. reinforcements. your statement makes no sense MB is not going make half a chassis different to accommodate a bigger engine, or a wider body. they mount up to the same chassis components just bigger brackets. now the mounting brackets for the bumper and fenders are different because of the dimension difference in the body components.
Ya got it backwards. The reason the C63 gets different sheet metal is precisely because the structural unibody (upper rail, upper apron, lower rail) is different. It's different because they needed 2" more length for the engine, and 1" more width for the suspension, which is unique to the C63.
They don't just pluck a base 205 off the line, give it a bigger engine and slap some special sheet metal on it to make it look longer and wider than it needs to be by using brackets to accommodate the difference.
The C63's unique unibody structure resulted in the need for the unique body parts, not the other way around.
You have to be aware that the installation of this body kit is not a simple plug&play. There is a lot of mechanical work needed to retrofit the front bumper. It is possible as you can see a conversion in the pictures attached, but you have to extend the front about 5cm.
Before you purchase you must confirm you are ready to process this full work on your vehicle.
That was sarcasm. Obviously if those OEM brackets existed the two guys who we know of who did the C63 front end swap would have used them, instead of having to fabricate their own. Two posts back a guy who actually did the mod said:
"You have to be aware that the installation of this body kit is not a simple plug&play. There is a lot of mechanical work needed to retrofit the front bumper. You have to extend the front about 5cm."
"Not plug-and-play."
"A lot of mechanical work needed."
"You have to extend the front of the car 5cm."
"Before you purchase you must confirm you are ready to process this full work on your vehicle."
Does any of that sound to you like he bought some OEM C63 brackets and body panels and bolted up C63 parts to his 205?
More simply put, why would the mod require that the front inner structure of the car be lengthened by 5 cm (2")? Neither of these guys said "It was tough! I had to bolt on a bracket that was two inches longer than my other bracket!".
They had to fabricate a bracket themselves that extended the front structure by 2", because the C63 is structurally different than the base 205.
He works at a Mercedes dealer. I guess when he gets a few extra minutes between restocking the coffee supplies and washing the loaner cars they let him work in the engineering department. Noobs.
He works at a Mercedes dealer. I guess when he gets a few extra minutes between restocking the coffee supplies and washing the loaner cars they let him work in the engineering department. Noobs.
VERY FUNNY. HAHAHA you are just as ignorant as other members on here. I would post pics to shut u up but I am to lazy to do that, and yes I am a MASTER CERTIFIED parts specialist. I have compared all the parts on both cars and hence my statement you can buy the end brackets,, the structural body of a c63 and a c450 are the same, the ends are made of aluminum and are different, they both use the same rad supports and which is were all the brackets come together on the nose. I am just trying to school you guys,, if who ever did the swap made custom brackets is because they felt like it or didn't have access to the parts catalogs to compare the different brackets needed. if you call a dealership and ask them, they would most likely say no they are different because they wouldn't want to get involved in a headache, of you annoying the parts advisor, buying things you might think you need and then returning them. or if you cant figure it out, returning everything. on the other hand I have owned like 12 cars and I have modified each one of them so I have pretty good knowledge of retrofitting. before I came on here making this statement I also verified with the AMG Techs here. if you want to believe other wise. go ahead.. I don't have to prove anything to anyone . if the guy that started the post wants to do it. he can pm me and ill give him the part numbers he needs.
C450JA, do you have any info about costs of work and parts?
for labor I cant help you because every shop you go to is going to quote u differently. as far as the parts go u might be looking at like 4k easy since just the front bumper with the addon's is expensive as hell. if you decide to do it let me know ill get u a parts list together. but first find out how much the labor is going to run you so I don't waste my time.
VERY FUNNY. HAHAHA you are just as ignorant as other members on here. I would post pics to shut u up but I am to lazy to do that, and yes I am a MASTER CERTIFIED parts specialist. I have compared all the parts on both cars and hence my statement you can buy the end brackets,, the structural body of a c63 and a c450 are the same, the ends are made of aluminum and are different, they both use the same rad supports and which is were all the brackets come together on the nose. I am just trying to school you guys,, if who ever did the swap made custom brackets is because they felt like it or didn't have access to the parts catalogs to compare the different brackets needed. if you call a dealership and ask them, they would most likely say no they are different because they wouldn't want to get involved in a headache, of you annoying the parts advisor, buying things you might think you need and then returning them. or if you cant figure it out, returning everything. on the other hand I have owned like 12 cars and I have modified each one of them so I have pretty good knowledge of retrofitting. before I came on here making this statement I also verified with the AMG Techs here. if you want to believe other wise. go ahead.. I don't have to prove anything to anyone . if the guy that started the post wants to do it. he can pm me and ill give him the part numbers he needs.
Right. You're a "certified master parts specialist" who compared all of the attachment, structural and sheetmetal parts of the front end of a C450 and a C63 and you're totally right.
But you're "too lazy" to write any of them down and post them, despite the fact they would totally prove your point. And you neglected to mention until now that you're a certified master parts specialist.
Hint: next time you sneak onto the actual parts guy's terminal to access STAR EPC, you can hit CNTRL P to print.
Oh, and the guys who did the mod and had to fabricate brackets...they just "forgot to ask" about bolt on OEM brackets. Damn! That probably would have been a HUGE timesaver.
Hey, the "AMG techs"--you know-- the guys who a "certified Mercedes Benz master parts specialist" has to run stuff by to make sure he's identifying Mercedes Benz parts correctly... told me to tell you they're running low on organic no fat creamer in the waiting area.
Just save everyone the time and post the conversion part numbers. If it's as straightforward as you say it is more members may want to consider it.
Right. You're a "certified master parts specialist" who compared all of the attachment, structural and sheetmetal parts of the front end of a C450 and a C63 and you're totally right.
But you're "too lazy" to write any of them down and post them, despite the fact they would totally prove your point. And you neglected to mention until now that you're a certified master parts specialist.
Hint: next time you sneak onto the actual parts guy's terminal to access STAR EPC, you can hit CNTRL P to print.
Oh, and the guys who did the mod and had to fabricate brackets...they just "forgot to ask" about bolt on OEM brackets. Damn! That probably would have been a HUGE timesaver.
Hey, the "AMG techs"--you know-- the guys who a "certified Mercedes Benz master parts specialist" has to run stuff by to make sure he's identifying Mercedes Benz parts correctly... told me to tell you they're running low on organic no fat creamer in the waiting area.
you are one funny idiot.. lmaoo I must tell you, is crazy how idiotic someone can be..,ill just sit back and laugh.. I don't waste my time with ignorant people.
Well, to demonstrate how smart I am I ran a C63 and a C300 thru EPC and damn it if C450JA isn't absolutely right. Both share major structural unibody components.
Apologies and I stand corrected. Although you have to admit the no fat soy creamer thing was funny.
Common to C63/300/450
Left lower frame rail (longitudinal member)
A 205 620 87 00
Right lower frame rail
A 205 620 88 00
Left Upper Rail
A 205 630 89 02
Right Upper Rail
A 205 630 90 02
Extension Lower Rail Left
A 205 620 93 00
Extension Lower Rail Right
A 205 620 94 00
Strut Tower Left
A 205 620 01 01
Strut Tower Right
A 205 620 02 01
Upper Radiator Support
A 205 620 17 34
Also, the C63 sheet metal and bumper cover aren't as expensive as I expected:
Hood A 205 880 06 57 $1300
Bumper Cover A 205 880 15 40 9999 $785
Left Fender A 205 880 03 18 $580
Right Fender A 205 880 04 18 $580
This is for just the big parts. There are dozens and dozens of various attachment parts, brackets, fasteners, plus the internals for the bumper and the grilles, trim bits etc. It would be a big undertaking. The right way to do it would be to first get a subscription to STAR EPC, then run a C63 VIN, and your VIN, and see where the part #s varied.
08-09-2016, 06:41 PM
