Who needs an AMG - My C300 Cabrio has plenty of power
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Who needs an AMG - My C300 Cabrio has plenty of power
I bought couple month ago my c300 cabriolet. As I bought the car, I also test drove the C43 Cabriolet. As I compared both cars head to head, there was absolutely no justification to spend 20k more for the AMG. The sound would have been the only reason. After few month with my C300, I am still enjoying my car. It has plenty of power, is fast and looks beautiful. When you are in the US, I think it is waste of money to invest in an AMG. You can't legally drive it the way it is designed for, except when you track it and I doubt anyone here tracks his/her AMG. My C300 has more than enough power for the US street and in certain way it is even more enjoyable since I don't need to be afraid of loosing my license every time I am going for a ride.
It is a completely different story when you live in Germany, than I would definitely go for the AMG.
It is a completely different story when you live in Germany, than I would definitely go for the AMG.
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Totally agree, you just cant get away with using power on public streets much anymore. I've had plenty of fast cars and have pushed it on public streets plenty. You used to only worry about a cop seeing you violate but now, with cameras, aircraft, radar and in-vehicle telematics cops dont even have to see you violate anymore. And if there is an accident with injuries you can be sure your vehicles telematic data is going to be downloaded and used against you if "unsafe" driving behavior is present. Then not only is your license at risk, so are your assets.
But I get why people want performance models. Sometimes its enough to just know its there and feel it now and then on an onramp or passing.
I bought a C300 for its cachet, road presence and vault-esque cabin. The power delivery is adequate and, most importantly, smooth and linear. If feel the need I'll run out to Bondurant or similar and put in a couple days on the track in their cars.
But I get why people want performance models. Sometimes its enough to just know its there and feel it now and then on an onramp or passing.
I bought a C300 for its cachet, road presence and vault-esque cabin. The power delivery is adequate and, most importantly, smooth and linear. If feel the need I'll run out to Bondurant or similar and put in a couple days on the track in their cars.
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I respect your opinion but I disagree with the theory behind it. AMG is totally different car engine, torque, throttle, sound, interior + exterior. Hence it is more expensive. In every country there are speeding rules that does not mean there is no point in buying an AMG.
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how can you say this?..
a 6 cyl. engine feels way different then a 4 cyl. even if you drive like a 90 year old grandpa.
engines are not only about output performance!
a 6 cyl. engine feels way different then a 4 cyl. even if you drive like a 90 year old grandpa.
engines are not only about output performance!
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I had a new C300 as a loaner vehicle for a few days and while the C300 had respectable power for what it is, it's a different driving experience than the C450 that I have. Yes, the C300 has enough safe daily driving power but at a relatively slower acceleration. Staying within the legal speed limits the AMG models can get up to speed easier and faster, enhancing the drive experience in my opinion. You don't need to live in Germany and drive 100+ MPH to enjoy the extra power of an engine, and you don't need to break the law either.
I believe it really comes down to what kind of car enthusiast that you are, and if you can afford the extra costs. If you're just looking for a nice car with enough power to not feel like you're driving a Honda Fit then the C300 is great. If you can afford the more expensive/faster model, and still choose to go with the C300 then that is a respectable decision as you are probably not the sports car type and decided to save your money.
I believe it really comes down to what kind of car enthusiast that you are, and if you can afford the extra costs. If you're just looking for a nice car with enough power to not feel like you're driving a Honda Fit then the C300 is great. If you can afford the more expensive/faster model, and still choose to go with the C300 then that is a respectable decision as you are probably not the sports car type and decided to save your money.
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I can afford to drive what I want, have been a performance car enthusiast and I am a graduate of Bondurant's 4-day Advanced Grand Prix Racing SCCA race licensing program, in addition to some other fun performance and track seat time. I buy all my vehicles cash, the most I've spent is $121k to be among the first to have a BMW 6 Series when the model launched in my area.
@BayAreaAMG you make valid points about not needing to go crazy to be able to appreciate and enjoy a performance model like the AMG.
I guess it's probably time I realized that perhaps my age has tempered my car choices of late
@BayAreaAMG you make valid points about not needing to go crazy to be able to appreciate and enjoy a performance model like the AMG.
I guess it's probably time I realized that perhaps my age has tempered my car choices of late
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The GLC 43 is a total different car from the 300. That's like comparing a GLC 43 to a GLC 63s
They are all great cars in there own right and I too decided to drop down to the 300 rather than get a new 43 or 63 due to todays law enforcement.
They are all great cars in there own right and I too decided to drop down to the 300 rather than get a new 43 or 63 due to todays law enforcement.
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I bought couple month ago my c300 cabriolet. As I bought the car, I also test drove the C43 Cabriolet. As I compared both cars head to head, there was absolutely no justification to spend 20k more for the AMG. The sound would have been the only reason. After few month with my C300, I am still enjoying my car. It has plenty of power, is fast and looks beautiful. When you are in the US, I think it is waste of money to invest in an AMG. You can't legally drive it the way it is designed for, except when you track it and I doubt anyone here tracks his/her AMG. My C300 has more than enough power for the US street and in certain way it is even more enjoyable since I don't need to be afraid of loosing my license every time I am going for a ride.
It is a completely different story when you live in Germany, than I would definitely go for the AMG.
It is a completely different story when you live in Germany, than I would definitely go for the AMG.
While it’s true that most cars nowadays have more than adequate power. People buy for different reasons. Some buy it as a reward to themselves. You don’t have to break the speed limit to appreciate the sound of a V8 or V12. Believe it or not some people buy it just for that. Think of that “retired” (old) guy in a vette on the freeway driving like Miss Daisy’s chauffeur, being passed by the soccer mom in a minivan... rewardingly awesome! Also, you don’t have to have an AMG just because you wanna hit the track. A lot of people go to the track in a Miata, or a Fiat, and they’re all having fun. At the same time you don’t need to go to the track to enjoy an AMG “legally”, either.
For as long as you’re happy with your purchase, it’s all good. The same way you don’t knock the guy wearing a watch in this day and age even though everyone has celphones that tell time. To some, that watch is just like wearing jewelry, and there’s nothing wrong with that at all.
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I don't know what kind of UPS trucks you guys all have in your towns, but the ones that bring my amazon boxes sound better than my benz 4-cylinder. That having been said, coming from an Infiniti V6 with a nice rumble I do miss it, but WOT still sounds good to me in the benz!
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- So you won't be reminded of how bad your expensive cars engine sounds at the light.
- So you won't pull up next to a six or eight cylinder, hear it purring and get road rage.
- Wind noise issues?
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Blahhh, blaahhh, blaaah.
It's OK. We don't need to whip them out and measure 'em.
40-80 mph is where the difference between the base W205 engine and the M276 and M177 engines becomes immediately apparent. Sure, most people don't need that kind of power but when you're passing on a narrow two lane hwy it sure is nice to have some extra giddy-up.
It's OK. We don't need to whip them out and measure 'em.
40-80 mph is where the difference between the base W205 engine and the M276 and M177 engines becomes immediately apparent. Sure, most people don't need that kind of power but when you're passing on a narrow two lane hwy it sure is nice to have some extra giddy-up.
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Blahhh, blaahhh, blaaah.
It's OK. We don't need to whip them out and measure 'em.
40-80 mph is where the difference between the base W205 engine and the M276 and M177 engines becomes immediately apparent. Sure, most people don't need that kind of power but when you're passing on a narrow two lane hwy it sure is nice to have some extra giddy-up.
It's OK. We don't need to whip them out and measure 'em.
40-80 mph is where the difference between the base W205 engine and the M276 and M177 engines becomes immediately apparent. Sure, most people don't need that kind of power but when you're passing on a narrow two lane hwy it sure is nice to have some extra giddy-up.
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I don't disagree with any of the AMG pro arguments here. If I would have had the money, of course I would have bought an AMG. All I am saying here is, that as an average middle class person, I don't see the point to buy an AMG for almost the double money I paid for my C300, especially because I can't drive it the way it is designed to be driven. My last car was a Porsche, so I know what it means to drive a performance car on US streets. Most of the time I was cursing with the porsche and when I wanted to go fast, I reached the speed limit in few seconds and was frustrated I could not go all in. With C300 I have the feeling I have the perfect amount of power, can have fun in Sport+ mode and can cruise in comfort mode.
Some people mentioned here the look of the AMG. As mentioned before, I drove my current car and an AMG C43 back to back and I bet when I put the pictures of both cars next to each other majority of the people would choose mine over the AMG. Mine has the AMG sports packet with Black 19 wheel and sport suspension. The AMG had also AMG wheels but those were not black and looked quite ordinary. I think the black rims make a big difference and make the car look super hot. I also debated the car, which gives the car a much cleaner a sportier look. The car has also the AMG interior packet with AMG steering wheel.
Anyway, I am super happy that I didn't buy the AMG and bought my C300 and saved tons of money. I think I got the much better value. Again, I am not saying AMG is not good, just saying that the C300 with the right packages offers a significantly better value.
Some people mentioned here the look of the AMG. As mentioned before, I drove my current car and an AMG C43 back to back and I bet when I put the pictures of both cars next to each other majority of the people would choose mine over the AMG. Mine has the AMG sports packet with Black 19 wheel and sport suspension. The AMG had also AMG wheels but those were not black and looked quite ordinary. I think the black rims make a big difference and make the car look super hot. I also debated the car, which gives the car a much cleaner a sportier look. The car has also the AMG interior packet with AMG steering wheel.
Anyway, I am super happy that I didn't buy the AMG and bought my C300 and saved tons of money. I think I got the much better value. Again, I am not saying AMG is not good, just saying that the C300 with the right packages offers a significantly better value.
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LOL. AMG is definitely not a value proposition.
They are fast, loud, and expensive. Literally the exact opposite of a practical auto.
The C300 Cab is a very nice ride. The cabrios are also much less common than the sedans and regular coupes. It seems silly to me to try to compare these two.
They are fast, loud, and expensive. Literally the exact opposite of a practical auto.
The C300 Cab is a very nice ride. The cabrios are also much less common than the sedans and regular coupes. It seems silly to me to try to compare these two.
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I don't disagree with any of the AMG pro arguments here. If I would have had the money, of course I would have bought an AMG. All I am saying here is, that as an average middle class person, I don't see the point to buy an AMG for almost the double money I paid for my C300, especially because I can't drive it the way it is designed to be driven. My last car was a Porsche, so I know what it means to drive a performance car on US streets. Most of the time I was cursing with the porsche and when I wanted to go fast, I reached the speed limit in few seconds and was frustrated I could not go all in. With C300 I have the feeling I have the perfect amount of power, can have fun in Sport+ mode and can cruise in comfort mode.
Some people mentioned here the look of the AMG. As mentioned before, I drove my current car and an AMG C43 back to back and I bet when I put the pictures of both cars next to each other majority of the people would choose mine over the AMG. Mine has the AMG sports packet with Black 19 wheel and sport suspension. The AMG had also AMG wheels but those were not black and looked quite ordinary. I think the black rims make a big difference and make the car look super hot. I also debated the car, which gives the car a much cleaner a sportier look. The car has also the AMG interior packet with AMG steering wheel.
Anyway, I am super happy that I didn't buy the AMG and bought my C300 and saved tons of money. I think I got the much better value. Again, I am not saying AMG is not good, just saying that the C300 with the right packages offers a significantly better value.
Some people mentioned here the look of the AMG. As mentioned before, I drove my current car and an AMG C43 back to back and I bet when I put the pictures of both cars next to each other majority of the people would choose mine over the AMG. Mine has the AMG sports packet with Black 19 wheel and sport suspension. The AMG had also AMG wheels but those were not black and looked quite ordinary. I think the black rims make a big difference and make the car look super hot. I also debated the car, which gives the car a much cleaner a sportier look. The car has also the AMG interior packet with AMG steering wheel.
Anyway, I am super happy that I didn't buy the AMG and bought my C300 and saved tons of money. I think I got the much better value. Again, I am not saying AMG is not good, just saying that the C300 with the right packages offers a significantly better value.
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Some would argue that the C43 is not really an AMG. Don't wanna hurt anybody's feelings, but AMG really starts at the 63 level. The brand has really gotten watered down with the 43s and 53s. There's definitely truth to what you are saying and I've made similar arguments in the past. There are really two kinds of car buyers. Those that buy a car to get from A to B, and those that buy it for the experience and the journey. AMG buyers fall into the latter group and I would argue you as a cabriolet buyer as well, just different, but a cabriolet is really about the experience and not just getting from A to B. As for AMG, there is more to a performance car than just speed. There is the sharper handling, better brakes and just the overall feel of being much more connected to the car even just driving around normally on a daily basis. Now you do pay for that with reduced comfort, so it all comes down to priorities. I haven't owned a normal car for over a decade. In the last 10+ years all my cars have been performance models and my current DD is a C63S Coupe. Whenever I drive a "normal" car like when mine is in for service and I'm given a loaner, I'm bored to death. I'm fortunate that I live in a part of the country with nice mountain and canyon roads outside the metropolitan areas where law enforcement is also largely absent, so I do get to experience what these cars can do. I also have done European Delivery with my last two cars to experience them on the roads they were made for. I stayed 2 months with my C63S in Europe and drove over 6000 miles. I just can't go back to normal commuter cars. Not sure how much longer we get to enjoy cars like the current AMG 63s, but if they go away I might consider giving up car ownership altogether. I just don't see the benefits of owning a normal car, especially since I mostly buy cars for fun and the experience. I don't commute, so most of my driving is recreational.
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Some would argue that the C43 is not really an AMG. Don't wanna hurt anybody's feelings, but AMG really starts at the 63 level. The brand has really gotten watered down with the 43s and 53s. There's definitely truth to what you are saying and I've made similar arguments in the past. There are really two kinds of car buyers. Those that buy a car to get from A to B, and those that buy it for the experience and the journey. AMG buyers fall into the latter group and I would argue you as a cabriolet buyer as well, just different, but a cabriolet is really about the experience and not just getting from A to B. As for AMG, there is more to a performance car than just speed. There is the sharper handling, better brakes and just the overall feel of being much more connected to the car even just driving around normally on a daily basis. Now you do pay for that with reduced comfort, so it all comes down to priorities. I haven't owned a normal car for over a decade. In the last 10+ years all my cars have been performance models and my current DD is a C63S Coupe. Whenever I drive a "normal" car like when mine is in for service and I'm given a loaner, I'm bored to death. I'm fortunate that I live in a part of the country with nice mountain and canyon roads outside the metropolitan areas where law enforcement is also largely absent, so I do get to experience what these cars can do. I also have done European Delivery with my last two cars to experience them on the roads they were made for. I stayed 2 months with my C63S in Europe and drove over 6000 miles. I just can't go back to normal commuter cars. Not sure how much longer we get to enjoy cars like the current AMG 63s, but if they go away I might consider giving up car ownership altogether. I just don't see the benefits of owning a normal car, especially since I mostly buy cars for fun and the experience. I don't commute, so most of my driving is recreational.
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Don't have any pictures handy but here is a link to a youtube Video, this is pretty much exactly my car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNhGb28Eu0k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNhGb28Eu0k
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Thank you.
I would say it depends. Below couple of C43 on the market and I think except of the missing AMG badge and the rear spoiler, it is very difficult to tell the difference between these and mine:
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...5690/overview/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...0211/overview/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...5092/overview/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...0051/overview/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...3696/overview/
I would say it depends. Below couple of C43 on the market and I think except of the missing AMG badge and the rear spoiler, it is very difficult to tell the difference between these and mine:
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...5690/overview/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...0211/overview/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...5092/overview/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...0051/overview/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...3696/overview/