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Old Dec 9, 2024 | 05:59 PM
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C180 engine sound

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Today on parking/cold stop I'v realised some strange stertorous sound when accelerate and release. Sound come from back of the engine.
Sorry for the quality - the best can be heared in 10s or 17s - it's kid of metalic/rack sound. Model 2021 C180.
Any idea? is this normal?

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Old Dec 9, 2024 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Sidian
Hi Guys,
Today on parking/cold stop I'v realised some strange stertorous sound when accelerate and release. Sound come from back of the engine.
Sorry for the quality - the best can be heared in 10s or 17s - it's kid of metalic/rack sound. Model 2021 C180.
Any idea? is this normal?

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Are you pointing at the heatshield? My device is not displaying the image correctly maybe, I will need to try a different device.
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Old Dec 10, 2024 | 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
Are you pointing at the heatshield? My device is not displaying the image correctly maybe, I will need to try a different device.
This stertorous/woblly sound come from top area of black box behind the engine.
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Old Dec 10, 2024 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Sidian
This stertorous/woblly sound come from top area of black box behind the engine.
That is the intake if I am reading it right, nothing loose?
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Old Dec 10, 2024 | 08:06 AM
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Will check but high level nothing lose. Is there any flaps that might create such sound when realase acceleration?
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Old Dec 10, 2024 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Sidian
Will check but high level nothing lose. Is there any flaps that might create such sound when realase acceleration?
Yes there are flaps I forgot where the engine air filter is located on the M254 engine and if it is in the back there but it could be loose
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Old Dec 10, 2024 | 04:19 PM
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Did some checks... lids are fine not vibrating, also all the hoses, clamps are stable.
Add 2 more videos with that squeaking sound... I'm aware that mobile might exaggerates the sound but whole engine in my opinion sounds like diesel... There is only 29,000 km on it only so worries my double.
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Old Dec 10, 2024 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sidian
Did some checks... lids are fine not vibrating, also all the hoses, clamps are stable.
Add 2 more videos with that squeaking sound... I'm aware that mobile might exaggerates the sound but whole engine in my opinion sounds like diesel... There is only 29,000 km on it only so worries my double.
Strange, what is stranger is your videos are not working anymore, the file doesn't open for me, maybe my device doesn't support the format. Can you upload to youtube or some cloud sharing platform then link the video over?
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Old Dec 10, 2024 | 05:34 PM
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Hmmm, I hear it, is the sound gone when the vehicle is warmed up?
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Old Dec 10, 2024 | 05:35 PM
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slighly less but still you can hear it
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Old Dec 10, 2024 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Sidian
slighly less but still you can hear it
It doesn't sound like a mechanical issue certainly sounds like plastic/trims just hitting things, is the sound apparent with hood off doors closed and everything closed and just simply driving?
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Old Dec 10, 2024 | 05:45 PM
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After closing everything up you can hear form inside... of-course much quieter.For test I took off the covers, I moved elements and no change.
It's big mysterious... at first was thinking about turbo or timing belt tensioner but other hand i'ts low millage.
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Old Dec 10, 2024 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Sidian
After closing everything up you can hear form inside... of-course much quieter.For test I took off the covers, I moved elements and no change.
It's big mysterious... at first was thinking about turbo or timing belt tensioner but other hand i'ts low millage.
never heard this issue on the W206, maybe your last resort is the dealership : ( sorry I couldn't help.
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Old Dec 10, 2024 | 05:55 PM
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No problem, still appreciate your opinion.
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Old Dec 10, 2024 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Sidian
No problem, still appreciate your opinion.
Wish you all the best in getting this figured out : )
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Old Dec 11, 2024 | 05:10 PM
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I can hear the same sound in my C200. Same engine, just tuned differently.
Haven't checked what it is yet to be honest, but planning to when i find some time.
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Old Dec 11, 2024 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Felix2024
I can hear the same sound in my C200. Same engine, just tuned differently.
Haven't checked what it is yet to be honest, but planning to when i find some time.
Thanks for chiming in to help OP. I am starting to wonder if it is normal (?) since you have the same issue as well.
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Old Dec 11, 2024 | 06:00 PM
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I also try to get dealer check on this... hope is nothing related to timing belt or camshaft. Once get any news will post it.
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Old Dec 11, 2024 | 06:06 PM
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It might just be normal, wouldn't be the first modern engine with similar "issues".
Those engines got too complicated in a very bad way, partially due to Euro norms.
Like introduction of GPF in EURO6. EURO5 engines were already very clean, but they decided to make it even "better". In effect engines are choked, but consume MUCH more fuel in idle, than SAME (or almost same) engines with EURO5 norm (0.4-0.6 liters/hour in EURO5 vs ~1.5 liters/hour in EURO6).
Had similar sounds in my previous EURO6 car (1.5 TSI from VAG) and nothing like that in EURO5 1.4 TSI. I don't know (yet) if and how this could be related, but will probably be studying the topic
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Old Dec 11, 2024 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Felix2024
It might just be normal, wouldn't be the first modern engine with similar "issues".
Those engines got too complicated in a very bad way, partially due to Euro norms.
Like introduction of GPF in EURO6. EURO5 engines were already very clean, but they decided to make it even "better". In effect engines are choked, but consume MUCH more fuel in idle, than SAME (or almost same) engines with EURO5 norm (0.4-0.6 liters/hour in EURO5 vs ~1.5 liters/hour in EURO6).
Had similar sounds in my previous EURO6 car (1.5 TSI from VAG) and nothing like that in EURO5 1.4 TSI. I don't know (yet) if and how this could be related, but will probably be studying the topic
An how about your current avg fuel consumption L/100km?
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I also try to get dealer check on this... hope is nothing related to timing belt or camshaft. Once get any news will post it.
I don't think so.
I mean in theory it COULD be, as timing chain in those engines seems to be on the same side as flywheel, so more or less the place where you hear this noise.
However that would mean, that chain would have to be very stretched, which is unlikely. Also i had a car with stretched timing chain, which was sometimes touching the engine body - was a different sound. Also you would probbly hear the chain during cold startup. At least in my case i don't hear anything.
It sounds more like something resonating. Question is what?
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An how about your current avg fuel consumption L/100km?
Current average is 8.8.
In the city driving (very congested Kraków, Poland, a lot of traffic jams) it's between 9-15 liters. 15 was my "record high" when i was stuck in traffic jam for almost whole trip. Normal driving in Kraków is between 10-11.
Highway (140-150km/h) is between 7.3 (lowest i got on summer tyres) to 9 (highest i got on winter tyres and heavy wind). Just today done 600km on the highway and got 8l/100km.
Can't tell about other roads types/speeds, and haven't tested it yet
I have C200 4Matic. 4Matic adds usually 05-1l/100km, especially that in Mercedes RWD platform cars it's permanent 4 wheel drive, not something like Haldex in most European cars.
For comparison before i owned Skoda Octavia 4, 1.5 TSI DSG (eTEC). Same driving, same places - city 8-10, highway 6.5-7.5. So quite much less, but that was not 4x4 and car is roughly 300kg lighter, has 150HP compared to 200 in C200, and it has 0,2 lower cx.
So consuption in C200 4Matic is... not bad, but as i'm recently driving quite a lot, and that will not change in coming years, i think i will drive it for a year or two, than sell it and get C300d

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Old Dec 11, 2024 | 06:35 PM
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Just to don't go much off-topic my goes around same number especially on 19''. Thanks for that input.
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Sorry, trying not to, but at the same time trying to provide some details when answering to questions. That;s my, probably bad, habit
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