Jakpro1

All kidding aside, gentlemen we have a problem.

M5 wipes out the CLS63. GOOD NEWS..CLS doesn't fall away up top like the old days.

Perhaps with higher revs, the M is able to get better traction launch and then gets into power band with better traction. I dunno.

So if the Renntech CLS63 runs near 11 flat with tune, the M5 is a 10 sec car with tune only!!???

Son of aaaaa!!!!

Sorry if repost. I don't search every board. Just this one and didn't see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW8dZRCyArE

Vic55

I cant access from where Im at but:

who won the launch?
was the CLS a PP car?

can anyone give me a play by play? A lot of factors go into play here but I have to believe SGC's 126 mph trap would is quite formidable.

Bones

Its not a cls but a e63 with PP from the UK EVO group test. The AMG seems to get a bad launch. 0-1000 meters.

M5 22.31 seconds @ 153.14

E63 22.68 seconds @ 152.49

Also m5 fater around the circuit by 1.1 seconds over the E63. The accelration results seem quite a bit off. 4.9 seconds to 0-60 for the AMG compared to 4.4 fvor the M5?? Its a nice write up in EVO

Rob@vividracing

Its a joke, the CLS doesn't look like it even launches. The m5 came out quick the Panamera and XFR weren't in the same league.

Vic55

Oh I know this race and its been posted on some other sites and clearly the E63 gets a terrible launch... and they didnt even use a Pan Turbo due to pricing variations.

Thanks Bones...

V12Godspeed

Where are you locked up that you can't access you tube?....What am I saying...I can't access it neither.

Centurion

Yeah, E63 doesn't launch at the same time as the M5.
Makes you wonder if they gathered their data from just this one race.

M5 vs. CLS63/E63...driver's race for sure.

The XFR's exterior has a nice makeover compared to the outgoing model and they were able to squeeze in more horses from the supercharged motor, but the interior, disappointingly, is still the same as the outgoing model.
The transmission, I believe, is unchanged.

Panny S....'S'.
I thought this was a performance comparison of the top sport sedans.
Price should not have been a factor.
Clearly the Turbo model is the appropriate contender with Porsche's PDK tranny. Zero to 60mph is less than 4 seconds.
Car looks like *** though.

The M5 is a beautiful car, in my eyes, but the CLS63 is down right sexy.

TopEndS62

E63 driver had bad reaction reflex.. M5 driver left perfectly.. how can we confirm e63 was pp? kinda bothers me.. I mean the launch wasnt too bad for that kind of gap.

Optitron

E63 has not PP, look on the video/foto (it has not carbon on the mirrors and rear carbon spoiler and front red brake callipers) all of this details included in PP for E63!

SMP

How can it be a "bad" launch with race start? Any of you ever use it? All it takes is a right foot and a good reaction time and the electronics will do the rest. No skill involved whatsoever. The M most likely builds torque progressively as the rpm rise and the AMG has it right above idle, which makes it harder even in race start and the electronics dial down the power to get better traction.

I saw the new M5 at the LA car show and put an order into my dealer the next day. I usually prefer naturally aspirated and coupes, but I'm really looking forward to get this M. A drop, ECU, some wheels and an exhaust ... and I'm all set.

Vic, once I have the car I'll be in the OC stalking you

TopEndS62

thanks for the clear up... so PP should def stand up to that beast.

Misiek4

You are wrong. E63 has a PP - look there: Evo magazine scan

callmiro

You answered your own question....it wasn't a "bad" launch.

It was simply bad reaction time. The M5 clearly hit it first and the E63 gave away about 3/10ths right there.

By the end of the 1000 meters (not quarter mile) the M5 was 3/10ths ahead....

Stalking CLS's might not be a good idea. Unless you wanna pull out the EVO mag after you lose and explain to Vic why you should have won

just sayin....

Ali_E55

its not a drag race because it is not timed.

drag race = if you react after 1 seconed = it won't start calculating until you move.

i would call it a reaction race. LOL

-10 for not getting a Panamera turbo or Turbo S

SMP

You know I was joking, right? Vic and I have similar tastes when it comes to cars and accessories like wheels, exhaust .... It just happens that he bought a CLS and I'm going to get the new M5. The joke wouldn't work if I would "stalk" him in my Porsche 997.2 TT PDK against his 997.2 TT PDK. Or my CLK 63 against his E63.

Besides, I'm a road course guy anyways. Don't care too much about drag racing ... and owned enough fast cars in the past that I don't need the satisfaction of blowing someone away in a straight line race. Like I said in my post, all it takes is a fast car and a right foot - no skill involved. I like to work for a victory, not let the car take care of it for me

Honestly, both cars are going to be pretty even from a performance stand point. It most likely will boil down to reaction time between the two drivers. Up on top, above 140, the M might have a small edge due to having a DCT.

But you're right, this is a Mercedes forum and I should have never mentioned getting an M car.

callmiro

I was just teasing SMP

I always like to break the baIIs when it comes to M cars. I have an 08 M3 myself

My bad

Big respect to you and your stable

I think we are all just dying to see some actual performance numbers from the new M5. I can't believe the EVO guys had all these cars and didn't drop in an actual timed quarter mile test for reference

enzom

My standard reaction to these things - when the cars are released here in the US and hit the drag strip, we will all know which is faster and by how much. We saw this when the previous M5 was released. Vids, stories, etc. Then people got their cars in the US and started hitting the strip. The rest is history.

My prediction is that the two cars will be very close in performance, stock.

Vic55

Just reading this before I go to the bar

I love the competition SMP.... we need another nice Mexico run with a stock M5 versus a stock CLS!!!!

I do worry that the DCT will be the efficient (more) tranny in a high speed roller where CoEd and weight is not going to play as much as a factor. Ive owned 3 DCT's and it is amazing how it transfers the power to the ground. My simple little E92 M3 with 414 hp ran with my buddies stock E63 at higher speeds and the DCT was clearly the factor along with weight. In my GTR no doubt the DCT assists this car in its numbers because the GTR is a pig at 3900 lbs plus.

No loss in honor losing in a CLS to an M5... I still (subjectively) look better. but one thing... I too will be getting the F10 M5

GMW

After re-watching the video i noticed that the M5 used launch control but the guy in the E63 didn't. He only put it in S+. could that have created his bad launch? As we know what torque monsters these biturbos are.

SMP

No worries

SMP

Copy cat ... I better don't show you my wheel selection

Vic55

LOL you know who I am loyal to when it comes to wheels... HRE so no secret there.

transferred

Thank you, someone else has a working brain.

The figures are pretty darn close with the PP E63 and F10 M5 in a straightline, M looks to keep its edge on the track with a 7.55 'Ring time....though of course few of us on the board would be able to drive like those guys. (other than the M engineers who keep crashing the prototype M6's)

Looking forward to seeing Vic's CLS done up....that is some performance stable you have buddy, massive respec

SMP

Like I said, we have the same taste ... except I'm prettier than you, LOL