First real KILL
12-17-2006, 10:27 AM
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Agreed...but once again, the point of a kill/race story is not the numbers you find in a magazine...the point is that on that particular day, juicee55 won...many are getting just a bit tired of members downing the results...posting stats they find in a mag...the kill story wasn't intended to debate that...it is just a damn story...
12-17-2006, 12:06 PM
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If your point is "on the street anything can happen", then I agree. But often these encounters lead people to assume their car is "faster" and/or more powerful then it really is.
What 1/4 mile times and road course times do is provide an environment that eliminates many of the variables you find on the street and allows you to compare performance more accurately.
So lets face it, a stock E or CLS63 (also 55's) will never run 11.7 @ 121mph like the Porsche. You may win a short street race but that does not make your car faster than his.
BTW, I do love the CLS63 but let's be real.
What 1/4 mile times and road course times do is provide an environment that eliminates many of the variables you find on the street and allows you to compare performance more accurately.
So lets face it, a stock E or CLS63 (also 55's) will never run 11.7 @ 121mph like the Porsche. You may win a short street race but that does not make your car faster than his.
BTW, I do love the CLS63 but let's be real.
In the "real world" my world, driving home from work my car was faster at that moment. Once again the only thing I know is it was a porsche turbo and the guy got smoked period. From what you are saying it would be silly to even line up on a track with a vette or a porsche? So here is a final question to you time qouters. If you were at a track in your car and lined up against a superior vehicle "test" wise and you ran a better time , did you not "win" the race?
12-17-2006, 12:17 PM
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Love it you compare a 4 door four thousand plus comfortable saloon to a 2 seater fiberglass shell with drag radials. Pound for pound the AMG is FASTER. Lets add a ******* 1500 pound trailer to the turbo porsche or Z06. Jeesus a simple kill story turns into a tireless "whats the fastest car on the track" debate. doooh "if its faster on the track than the cls 63 could not possibly win in a street race"..oh the madness of this logic.
12-17-2006, 12:30 PM
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I have been to the track several times and have been beaten by "lesser cars." I got "killed" by an 06 GTO, with his 12.8 @ 108mph to my 12.9 @ 124mph. Is his car faster? I don't think so. Was he a better driver on that run.....absolutely!!
The bottom line........... if all conditions are equal for both cars................. the Porsche if faster!!
12-17-2006, 12:51 PM
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Yes, but that does not make my car faster. Other factors obviously came into play, like tire slippage or driver error.
I have been to the track several times and have been beaten by "lesser cars." I got "killed" by an 06 GTO, with his 12.8 @ 108mph to my 12.9 @ 124mph. Is his car faster? I don't think so. Was he a better driver on that run.....absolutely!!
The bottom line........... if all conditions are equal for both cars................. the Porsche if faster!!
I have been to the track several times and have been beaten by "lesser cars." I got "killed" by an 06 GTO, with his 12.8 @ 108mph to my 12.9 @ 124mph. Is his car faster? I don't think so. Was he a better driver on that run.....absolutely!!
The bottom line........... if all conditions are equal for both cars................. the Porsche if faster!!
12-17-2006, 01:28 PM
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Yes, but that does not make my car faster. Other factors obviously came into play, like tire slippage or driver error.
I have been to the track several times and have been beaten by "lesser cars." I got "killed" by an 06 GTO, with his 12.8 @ 108mph to my 12.9 @ 124mph. Is his car faster? I don't think so. Was he a better driver on that run.....absolutely!!
The bottom line........... if all conditions are equal for both cars................. the Porsche if faster!!
I have been to the track several times and have been beaten by "lesser cars." I got "killed" by an 06 GTO, with his 12.8 @ 108mph to my 12.9 @ 124mph. Is his car faster? I don't think so. Was he a better driver on that run.....absolutely!!
The bottom line........... if all conditions are equal for both cars................. the Porsche if faster!!
HELLO ? The point of the kill story was NOT..."If all conditions are equal!" It was simply...on that day, Juicee55 won the race...WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE OTHER RHETORIC!!!! That wasn't part of his kill story and and once again most of us don't care about what the stats are.
Why don't you start a Thread: "If all conditions are equal" ? State all the 0-60s, 1/4m and top speeds---but that is the same thing you'll find in the back of one of the car mags...so repetitious.
12-17-2006, 01:32 PM
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12-17-2006, 02:24 PM
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Sorry Rock, I was talking about your "hypothetical" vitory over a superior test car..heeeehawwwww. I understand your point but seriously this thread was about a kill story not which car tests faster 0-60 or 0-250 or 1/4 mile or 60 foot times. It was just my relay of an encounter with a porsche that seems impossible to fathom by membership here
12-17-2006, 02:41 PM
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It's good for You that YOU believe you beat a 997TT. I know as a fact that I have a 2006 C6 Z06 that is faster than a CLS55/63 and I have lost by 2 car lengths to 997TT. IN A 1/4 MILE DRAG STRIP OF INFINEON RACEWAY. In 3 seperate runs. Consistently. And I know how to drag and shift. I've spent the last 15 years in the autocrossing and cart cars racing circuit in Nor Cal.
Funny your Z06 is lighter and puts out more HP than the 997 yet you lost? Maybe you are not as good of a driver as you think? Yes your car is definately faster than my CLS by a ways but you should really be closer to the porsche, practice more
12-17-2006, 03:00 PM
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12-17-2006, 04:39 PM
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It's good for You that YOU believe you beat a 997TT. I know as a fact that I have a 2006 C6 Z06 that is faster than a CLS55/63 and I have lost by 2 car lengths to 997TT. IN A 1/4 MILE DRAG STRIP OF INFINEON RACEWAY. In 3 seperate runs. Consistently. And I know how to drag and shift. I've spent the last 15 years in the autocrossing and cart cars racing circuit in Nor Cal.
According to the same stats you look at your car SHOULD BEAT THE 997..
http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.ph...ame=Compare%21
12-17-2006, 04:52 PM
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If your point is "on the street anything can happen", then I agree. But often these encounters lead people to assume their car is "faster" and/or more powerful then it really is.
What 1/4 mile times and road course times do is provide an environment that eliminates many of the variables you find on the street and allows you to compare performance more accurately.
So lets face it, a stock E or CLS63 (also 55's) will never run 11.7 @ 121mph like the Porsche. You may win a short street race but that does not make your car faster than his.
BTW, I do love the CLS63 but let's be real.
What 1/4 mile times and road course times do is provide an environment that eliminates many of the variables you find on the street and allows you to compare performance more accurately.
So lets face it, a stock E or CLS63 (also 55's) will never run 11.7 @ 121mph like the Porsche. You may win a short street race but that does not make your car faster than his.
BTW, I do love the CLS63 but let's be real.
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...slip-7187.html
stock baby, that is incredible
12-17-2006, 05:17 PM
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12-18-2006, 01:38 PM
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Show me one, JUST ONE, 997 TT that is running 11.5 or better and trapping at 125+ in bone stock trim from the factory. I can show you one (or a dozen) Z06's that have done that, one of them being my car. It took a stage 1 Protomotive 997 TT to match the average trap speeds of a stock Z06.
Anyway, good kill on the Turbo. ANYTHING can happen on the street.
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12-18-2006, 04:56 PM
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12-18-2006, 04:57 PM
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I don't know what the Porsche had, just on the other lane. Could be modded. You don't know me.
Must not have done you that well if you are losing by 2 car lengths to a TT in your Z06. I have a Z06 and a 997 TT will lose given that the driver of the Z06 is good driver. From a roll, the 997 TT wont be close. I have raced a few.
Show me one, JUST ONE, 997 TT that is running 11.5 or better and trapping at 125+ in bone stock trim from the factory. I can show you one (or a dozen) Z06's that have done that, one of them being my car. It took a stage 1 Protomotive 997 TT to match the average trap speeds of a stock Z06.
Anyway, good kill on the Turbo. ANYTHING can happen on the street.
Show me one, JUST ONE, 997 TT that is running 11.5 or better and trapping at 125+ in bone stock trim from the factory. I can show you one (or a dozen) Z06's that have done that, one of them being my car. It took a stage 1 Protomotive 997 TT to match the average trap speeds of a stock Z06.
Anyway, good kill on the Turbo. ANYTHING can happen on the street.
12-18-2006, 05:23 PM
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Anyway, whatever the variables in this race, it sounded a good run
12-19-2006, 05:16 PM
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nice win that night, but i highly doubt a 55/63 can beat a 997 or ZO6. you simply cannot compare those cars with a cls. if my memory serve me right; we do have 2 extra doors and was build for comfort, which equals to ALOT more weight! 
if comparing engine to engine, amg all the way imo...
if comparing engine to engine, amg all the way imo...
12-19-2006, 05:59 PM
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