Seems like someone is a little bitter about the C32 and what it's capable of... I am sure that 450hp is definitely do-able and 500hp is not far from that if you have the money to burn.. And the remark about whatever you do to a C32 with NOS, cams headers --man think before you speak... NOS alone can add another 100hp if the head is up to the task.. My Rx7tt and 240sx have gotten another 75hp-125hp alone from NOS.. So lets just say with proper fuel management and headwork to manage a 150shot of NOS do the math stock 349+150hp almost 500.. but ofcourse i am not sayin that 150 is a good way to go.. but if combined with headers, cams, pulleys, intercooler... man 500 sounds reasonable.. Sorry didn't mean to burst your bubble...

 

Where did these bubbles come from? Dreaming is something I do when I sleep! So those Dreaming about 500hp C32 please wake up.

Forget about NOS no one is going to Rice Out their C32 with NOS just for bragging rights on the track.

No one is going to do major surgury on their C32 engine either. As far as Kleemann 'only' products getting 500HP from 3.2 - yeah right! Don't belive the hype! What's next - Kleemann getting 700HP from SL55 and W211 E55 and still be street legal.

Kleemann had to unreasonably boost that E55 to win that speed record. These are not Top Fuel Funny Cars where the engines are so 'boosted' and fragile they have to be rebuilt after each run.

Is it me or does this guy look like the 'dumb alien' character from 'Third Rock from the Sun" Sitcom?

 

OT: Hey KEV

I think you're right! He does look like the guy from Third Rock from the Sun. Lol!

 

Kev, why are you so aliment to prove to everyone that a C32 cannot acheive 500 hp?

A C32 can easily acheive 500 hp. Kleemann SC, new headers and cams, ecu mod, and there you go. You will definetly be at 500hp, and probably more. A Kleemann SC on the C32 will acheive 450hp, and then the ECU, headers and cams will definetly add atleast another 50 hp. Kleemann's SC is definetly legal, and Kleemann makes some of the most reliable products. Moreso than Renntech and whatnot.

When my C32 arrives in August or September, I plan to get the Kleemann SC, headers, cams, the works. If I am told by the company who I purchase everything from and installs everything for me that I will be at 500hp, then I damn well expect to be at 500hp, and will get it dyno'ed before going home.

The Kleemann E55 record setting car is very awesome, it has the whole works, not just the engine.

 

Accord, I am either being the devil's advocate or very practical. I would hate to see you tear apart a C32 and void your warranty or worse cause a detonation based on 'pie in the sky' marketing.

Sometimes controversy and different opinions is good. Gets people thinking. Because in a few months Kleemann or Brabus or whomoever will be claiming 600 or 700Hp for the 55k engines.

But you have to admit - that likeness of those two guys is funny. And I don't trust any company that hires an out of work actor to test drive. ROFL!

 

Kev, a C32 can easily acheive 500hp SAFELY and LEGALLY.

Kleemann, nor any other tuner will never claim 600 or 700 hp for the 55 engines, on the new 5.5L engine that comes stock with nearly 500 hp, then yes I would expect them to claim 600 hp.

Kleemann is known for their high performance, reasonable price, and most of all, RELIABILITY.

I'm sorry, but you think a C32, or even an SLK32 for that matter cannot acheive 500 hp legally and safely, then you're very mistaken.

The hp on a Kleemann SC alone for a C32 is 450, so why is it so hard to add another 50 hp to be at 500?

 

I think some have lost site that the C32 has a supercharged engine and you are using 349HP and supercharging that fiqure as you would claim 550HP from adding a Kleemann to a W210 E55 with 349HP.

Just Picture this. A newbie just posted the following:

"I have a 2001 C320 Sedan with 215HP and I want more power. I am considering a Kleemann Supercharger. Can I expect to get 500HP from it?"

Your answer to this newbie would be "YES". How misleading you would be!

 

There seems to be a lot of confusion here, hopefully I can help clear some of it up.

1. Kleemann has never claimed any gains from their upgrade to the C32. It is NOT out yet, and no official gains will be released until that time. They will not be changing the SC, but upgrading the inefficiencies of its design. While no numbers have been posted, I do think that the low to mid 400s is be obtainable. Add other mods, such as cams and headers to that, and you can likely be around 500HP

2. Yes, Kleemann raised the boost level on their World Speed Winning E55K to .6 bar. Is this a lot? If so, perhaps Mercedes needs to rethink their using .7+ (11lbs) bar that they will be using in their lower powered AMG SC'd 55s.

3. Some people definitely would do this, as without them, tuners wouldn't be in business. We personally have a C32 project car that we will be doing many upgrades to! Upgrading cams is definitely engine work, but not to the extent of boring & stroking the motor.

4. Neither Kleemann, Evosport, or any other reasonable tuner would consider doing any of these upgrades if they were not reliable or street legal. Putting out an unreliable product can become very costly for all parties, and is something that most tuners try to avoid at all costs.

5. To my knowledge, no tuner has claimed to get 700HP out of an SL55. But if you think about how Kleemann reached 600HP out of their .6bar E55, and decided to add headers and cams, you would likely be within 50HP of that. Still unobtainable? What if you use the same amount of boost, as the SL55 does stock? To my knowledge, none of these possibilities have been tested, but 700HP is definitely not out of the question. I would say that money is the main determinant here.

 

i agree with e55 kev on this...nice analogy

 

So the Kleemann SC alone on the C32 can acheive 450HP? But the Kleemann SC for the 4.3L V.8 gives "only" 430hp (as claimed by Evosport)? So how can the 3.2L V6 outperform the 4.3L V8 given the mods? Doesn't seem to add up.

Baron

 

No one knows what the Kleemann upgrade for the C32 will put out. It is not released. Dyno's will be posted at it's release. If the boost is raised in the upgrade, it may put out more power than the 43k, but not torque. If you then raise the boost in the 43k, you'll be definitely ahead of the upgraded C32.

 

Have any of you guys noticed that member KLEEMANN has not chimed in on this thread yet. He is probably just sitting back enjoying all the free publicity and unreal claims for their products.

Enough of all this banter - All I want to know is how did they get the actor French Stewart to drive the world record breaking car?

 

You are mistaken! The supercharger for the C32 is an UPGRADE! Adding a Kleemann SC to a C320 will give you 330hp. All the Kleemann guys, stores, etc. all call it the "C32 SC Upgrade".

I am not misleading anyone, if anyone is, you are, by saying a C32 cannot acheive 500hp... or even 380 for that matter...

 

I think it is this statement that is getting everyone confused. The analogy does not work here. E55Kev is arguing you cannot add a supercharger on top of a supercharger to get the same gain, hehe. He is right.

What Kleeman intends to do is improve the efficiency of specific engine components, probably even increasing boost. This car is running a little under 1 bar real life, which still has room for reliability.

We've seen supras with over 500hp quite often, btw. If the C32 even gets close, I have no idea how the hell it is going to put down all that power.

 

Yeah... Kleemann is upgrading the current SC I should have said.

 

As MACH430 mentioned we are improving whats already there on the C32, I think this is cleared up. As for power gains 500hp from our upgrade alone is not reasonable. 400? Yes.

The driver is Jason Watt- a fairly famous Danish racer. He is paralyized from the waist down after a motorcyle accident in 1999 -its not polite to make fun of the handicapped.

 

When I read this sentence I could not figure out what you meant by aliment. I thought I was suffering from some ailment then it hit me, you think Kev is adamant. I feel so much better now.

 

Wyatt, I made no mistake in saying aliment... there is a difference between aliment and adamant .

 

KLEEMANN has finally chimed in and stated C32 upgrade = 400Hp! Thanks for the reality check for Accord and the others that believe in Santa Claus. DAMN! Accord don't you have a wife to argue with? Geez!

KLEEMANN, I already knew that the driver was "walking challenged" and it is not discrimination to say someones face looks like another. I am guite sure he likes jokes & comedy. Some of you guys need to lighten up!

 

Kev, you said that a C32 cannot acheive even 380hp with a Kleemann SC, headers, cams, ecu, etc. That is a ridiculous claim on your part. 500hp is attainable, just not from the Kleemann SC alone. Why do you fail to understand this, after I keep repeating myself?

The Kleemann SC will be in the low to mid 400's according to Ben @ Evosport. So according to you, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get another 50-75 hp to reach 500hp.

 

This is so confusing - hate to turn this into a grammar thread, but "aliment" means "something that nourishes". Besides the fact "so aliment" implies that "aliment" is an adjective (I think it's a noun) why would Kev be nourished when proving things?


Anyways - fuhget about all dat -
400 horsepower is nice (15% or so upgrade) but not amazing. The Kleeman pulley upgrade is supposed to give 20-30 hp, I believe, so that intercooler better be in the same ballpark, price-wise!

 

400hp is nice, but not enough for me .

Also, aliment is a synonym of persistance.

 

Is anyone else thinking that we should take a break, and wait for the upgrade to be released?

 

everyone calm down have a and lets just wait for the products to be unleashed.

 

Boo - that's no fun!!