Does anybody road race their C32's?
10-17-2005, 06:32 PM
#52
Originally Posted by CynCarvin32
Both Zepp and SMG (and my self) have spent many days at willow and there is no way the C32 can run that quickly through turn 8 let alone run a 1:38.
Originally Posted by CynCarvin32
Your times all seem to be about 10 seconds off. A good friend runs with NASA in his 500+ hp S4 road race car (3000 lb car -- no interior no ac no heater nothing) and he walks right past all but the faster full road race Z-06 cars. His lap time at big willow is a 1:31.
Originally Posted by p51aviator
There was a new Z06 with manufacturer plates on it last month when they ran..
Originally Posted by Vadim @ evosport
How about MB AMG vs. BMW M vs. Audi S on a Willow big track?
Smack aside, it'd be great to see some Benzes out at the Open Track Racing event. It's a nice, laid-back track day, and I'm sure P51Aviator and some of the rest of us would be happy to help instruct newbies.
If Jim Brady comes with his Turbo, you'll also get to see some very fast driving.
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10-17-2005, 09:04 PM
#55
Originally Posted by Jack Olsen
Yes. But it's 33 years old, though, isn't it? My math isn't so good.
I teach the classroom session for newcomers at Open Track Racing.
I teach the classroom session for newcomers at Open Track Racing.
What tips do you have for an X5 owner on a tight track? :p
10-17-2005, 09:06 PM
#56
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Originally Posted by Jack Olsen
I've driven with P51Aviator. He's not a guy who lies about his lap times.
No insult intended, but your good friend is kind of slow. A 1:31 is a very respectable time for the big track, but I've been told that a 1:30 can be done in a daily driver with heat, air conditioning, full interior, leather, everything -- and with only 247 horsepower, and on 200-wear-rated BFGoodrich street tires, in a 32-year-old car that's 150 pounds heavier than it came stock.
The Road and Track driver said he was doing 1:32's in the C6 Z06 -- on its stock run-flat tires, with no changes to the stock suspension settings. That's a very impressive car.
How about we add one more German luxury brand to that list?
Smack aside, it'd be great to see some Benzes out at the Open Track Racing event. It's a nice, laid-back track day, and I'm sure P51Aviator and some of the rest of us would be happy to help instruct newbies.
If Jim Brady comes with his Turbo, you'll also get to see some very fast driving.
No insult intended, but your good friend is kind of slow. A 1:31 is a very respectable time for the big track, but I've been told that a 1:30 can be done in a daily driver with heat, air conditioning, full interior, leather, everything -- and with only 247 horsepower, and on 200-wear-rated BFGoodrich street tires, in a 32-year-old car that's 150 pounds heavier than it came stock.
The Road and Track driver said he was doing 1:32's in the C6 Z06 -- on its stock run-flat tires, with no changes to the stock suspension settings. That's a very impressive car.
How about we add one more German luxury brand to that list?
Smack aside, it'd be great to see some Benzes out at the Open Track Racing event. It's a nice, laid-back track day, and I'm sure P51Aviator and some of the rest of us would be happy to help instruct newbies.
If Jim Brady comes with his Turbo, you'll also get to see some very fast driving.
It will be fun to go out and represent European manufacturers against the growing Evo/STi onslaught.
10-17-2005, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ricky.agrawal
Math was never a prerequsite for joining this forum
What tips do you have for an X5 owner on a tight track? :p
What tips do you have for an X5 owner on a tight track? :p
I would say lower the center of gravity first.
10-17-2005, 09:11 PM
#58
Originally Posted by schwarzwagen
use it as a tow vehicle for a sorted out 3-series, j/k! I would say lower the center of gravity first.
I would say lower the center of gravity first.3er would never come into my garage. What I really want is a Z4!
10-17-2005, 09:15 PM
#59
Originally Posted by ricky.agrawal
What tips do you have for an X5 owner on a tight track? :p
10-17-2005, 09:35 PM
#61
Originally Posted by schwarzwagen
In order to get anywhere near 1:30, you must have an awfully well sorted out suspension. Meaning, that it really isn't a daily driver any longer.
Originally Posted by schwarzwagen
Unless you are a vastly superior driver than SMG and this, with all due respect, I doubt. He is a very accomplished driver/instructor.
But I thought I came here to taunt Benz drivers?
10-17-2005, 09:40 PM
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i remember jon w or somebody raced the c32 on stock brakes and the rotors ended up cracking all the drilled holes (or at least developed miniature cracks radiating from each of the holes) and the calipers turning gold from all that heat. might wanna consider new set of bbk as it sounds like u get serious time for the car on the tracks..
10-17-2005, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Olsen
If the car's light enough, you don't need the huge spring rates. My 911 isn't as plush and pillowy as my other car, but it's the one I drove to Wahoo's today for lunch.
I wouldn't claim to be vastly superior to anyone who has the good sense to race an E30 M3. Those are nice cars.
But I thought I came here to taunt Benz drivers?
I wouldn't claim to be vastly superior to anyone who has the good sense to race an E30 M3. Those are nice cars.
But I thought I came here to taunt Benz drivers?
10-17-2005, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by steve s
i remember jon w or somebody raced the c32 on stock brakes and the rotors ended up cracking all the drilled holes (or at least developed miniature cracks radiating from each of the holes) and the calipers turning gold from all that heat. might wanna consider new set of bbk as it sounds like u get serious time for the car on the tracks..
10-17-2005, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ricky.agrawal
Haha, I'm halfway on the path. Working on our how to try to get the rear seats out, but then that upsets the weight balance and gives me more underteer.
3er would never come into my garage. What I really want is a Z4!
3er would never come into my garage. What I really want is a Z4!
10-17-2005, 09:49 PM
#67
Originally Posted by schwarzwagen
my buddy has a Z4 . Nicely sorted for a stocker! Good balance. Of course, it's a BMW! :v I would wait for the upcoming coupe version. I have also seen the Z4M on PCH (Pacific Coast Hwy in Malibu). Quad exhaust, etc.
10-17-2005, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ricky.agrawal
That's precisely what I'm talking about (The Z4M). So much research, but so little time, and no money!
10-18-2005, 01:15 AM
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I think sometimes we loose track of the issue, and thats "road racing a C32."
I know theres some very accomplished drivers on the board. Jack Olsen and have had some spirited encounters, and I think that what were looking for is FUN. Learning to drive your car with skill is a hugh rush for most. If your posting on this tread you ARE a track junkie and thats ok.
You are among friends.
I for one would like to see some MB on track days. I've had the good fortune to have driven all the AMG vehicles on the track at speed. Most drivers will never reach the limits of there AMG cars on the track. Forget all that BMW smack about the ulitmate driving machine.
Back to the C32. Why is Jack Olsen fast at WSIR? He understands that mechanical grip is only good till 90-100mph, then you need downforce. I haven't calculated the down force on his wing but I'm betting its around 400-500 lbs at 125 mph.
So my recipie for a C32 would be to run 800lb ft springs and 600 rear with bilstein dampers that have been run on a shock dyno. Hoosiers on 8.5 ft and 9.5 rears. I'd put a wing with about 5-6 deg. on downforce on the rear to make the car stick into trun 8 which is the whole key. If it will do 120+ thru
8 it will run 1:35 with no motor mods. (assumes club level driver)
BTW, if your interested in tracking your car come out and watch the Alfa Club event this weekend at WSIR. I'm driving a Blk Porsche 993 tt which I'm testing some new go slow parts.
I know theres some very accomplished drivers on the board. Jack Olsen and have had some spirited encounters, and I think that what were looking for is FUN. Learning to drive your car with skill is a hugh rush for most. If your posting on this tread you ARE a track junkie and thats ok.
You are among friends.
I for one would like to see some MB on track days. I've had the good fortune to have driven all the AMG vehicles on the track at speed. Most drivers will never reach the limits of there AMG cars on the track. Forget all that BMW smack about the ulitmate driving machine.
Back to the C32. Why is Jack Olsen fast at WSIR? He understands that mechanical grip is only good till 90-100mph, then you need downforce. I haven't calculated the down force on his wing but I'm betting its around 400-500 lbs at 125 mph.
So my recipie for a C32 would be to run 800lb ft springs and 600 rear with bilstein dampers that have been run on a shock dyno. Hoosiers on 8.5 ft and 9.5 rears. I'd put a wing with about 5-6 deg. on downforce on the rear to make the car stick into trun 8 which is the whole key. If it will do 120+ thru
8 it will run 1:35 with no motor mods. (assumes club level driver)
BTW, if your interested in tracking your car come out and watch the Alfa Club event this weekend at WSIR. I'm driving a Blk Porsche 993 tt which I'm testing some new go slow parts.
10-18-2005, 02:41 AM
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10-18-2005, 10:39 AM
#73
It's all fun and I am glad a few of us will be there. I am flattered Schwarz, but I can't run a 1:30 in the BMW. Should be around 1:36 with 223 hp and 2850lbs and no front splitter or rear wing, just stock body, and Toyos, that is if something doesn't break again...
10-18-2005, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by smgC32
It's all fun and I am glad a few of us will be there. I am flattered Schwarz, but I can't run a 1:30 in the BMW. Should be around 1:36 with 223 hp and 2850lbs and no front splitter or rear wing, just stock body, and Toyos, that is if something doesn't break again...
