C43 vs C32 vs 911 carrera?
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on a straight-away, an AMG55 might win... but on handling, 911 will always be the best.. There is no substitute....
I got a MY00 Carrera 4, got bored with it, sold the car, got a CLK55 and after 2 months, sold the car and went back to Porsche.. I now drive a 02 C4S.... They are different cars....
On a porsche you are definitely connected with the car...
I got a MY00 Carrera 4, got bored with it, sold the car, got a CLK55 and after 2 months, sold the car and went back to Porsche.. I now drive a 02 C4S.... They are different cars....
On a porsche you are definitely connected with the car...
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Originally Posted by mastermason11
on a straight-away, an AMG55 might win... but on handling, 911 will always be the best.. There is no substitute....
I got a MY00 Carrera 4, got bored with it, sold the car, got a CLK55 and after 2 months, sold the car and went back to Porsche.. I now drive a 02 C4S.... They are different cars....
On a porsche you are definitely connected with the car...
I got a MY00 Carrera 4, got bored with it, sold the car, got a CLK55 and after 2 months, sold the car and went back to Porsche.. I now drive a 02 C4S.... They are different cars....
On a porsche you are definitely connected with the car...
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5,4 swaped C43s...are they identical to the original C55 w202 which were sold in only germany in the year 2000.well of course other than tranny, are the parts the same and same results? how about the cost?
many recommended w210 e 55 , how about clk 55? arent they the same? the coupe of e class? i heard its performanc is better than the new clk 55. and should be better than 210 e 55, 2 doors less, lighter?
i have seen a few fully loaded C 55 w203 at very low 40k price range on autotrader with around 15k miles on them . I was expecting high 40k or low 50k for this car. 40k sounds something might be wrong. but there are more than one listed for 42k. fully loaded 2004 c32 are high 40k.
amy idea?
many recommended w210 e 55 , how about clk 55? arent they the same? the coupe of e class? i heard its performanc is better than the new clk 55. and should be better than 210 e 55, 2 doors less, lighter?
i have seen a few fully loaded C 55 w203 at very low 40k price range on autotrader with around 15k miles on them . I was expecting high 40k or low 50k for this car. 40k sounds something might be wrong. but there are more than one listed for 42k. fully loaded 2004 c32 are high 40k.
amy idea?
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Originally Posted by Substance
5,4 swaped C43s...are they identical to the original C55 w202 which were sold in only germany in the year 2000.well of course other than tranny, are the parts the same and same results? how about the cost?
many recommended w210 e 55 , how about clk 55? arent they the same? the coupe of e class? i heard its performanc is better than the new clk 55. and should be better than 210 e 55, 2 doors less, lighter?
i have seen a few fully loaded C 55 w203 at very low 40k price range on autotrader with around 15k miles on them . I was expecting high 40k or low 50k for this car. 40k sounds something might be wrong. but there are more than one listed for 42k. fully loaded 2004 c32 are high 40k.
amy idea?
many recommended w210 e 55 , how about clk 55? arent they the same? the coupe of e class? i heard its performanc is better than the new clk 55. and should be better than 210 e 55, 2 doors less, lighter?
i have seen a few fully loaded C 55 w203 at very low 40k price range on autotrader with around 15k miles on them . I was expecting high 40k or low 50k for this car. 40k sounds something might be wrong. but there are more than one listed for 42k. fully loaded 2004 c32 are high 40k.
amy idea?
The difference between my 5.4l C43 and the W202 europe only C55 is the differential ratios (2.82 vs 3.06(C43))and the space under the rear of the body in which the differential is placed(bigger diff housing).Also there are claims that the Euro car has bigger axles.That's it!All these add weight which would possibly theoretically result in a slower car.
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
The 1/4 mile time for the W210 E55 varies based on a # of known factors.Yes it's a 13 second bracket 1/4 mile car none the less but not everybody is going to get the W210 E55 to run 13.3 secs in the 1/4.You can check the forums and see how much the time varies with different W210 E55 owners.You'll find alot of Modded C32's running high 12's compared to W210's running 13.3's just my .02 cents. By the way what were your mods on the M3? 
By the way what were your mods on the M3? h&r racing springs
conforti ecu
modified airbox w/ k&n
hks super drager ( i think thats what it was called) exhaust
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btw, i agree w/ what u said
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Originally Posted by Substance
5,4 swaped C43s...are they identical to the original C55 w202 which were sold in only germany in the year 2000.well of course other than tranny, are the parts the same and same results? how about the cost?
many recommended w210 e 55 , how about clk 55? arent they the same? the coupe of e class? i heard its performanc is better than the new clk 55. and should be better than 210 e 55, 2 doors less, lighter?
i have seen a few fully loaded C 55 w203 at very low 40k price range on autotrader with around 15k miles on them . I was expecting high 40k or low 50k for this car. 40k sounds something might be wrong. but there are more than one listed for 42k. fully loaded 2004 c32 are high 40k.
amy idea?
many recommended w210 e 55 , how about clk 55? arent they the same? the coupe of e class? i heard its performanc is better than the new clk 55. and should be better than 210 e 55, 2 doors less, lighter?
i have seen a few fully loaded C 55 w203 at very low 40k price range on autotrader with around 15k miles on them . I was expecting high 40k or low 50k for this car. 40k sounds something might be wrong. but there are more than one listed for 42k. fully loaded 2004 c32 are high 40k.
amy idea?
its engine is detuned... the 208 has 242hp and 37X trq.
its not better/faster than 209, i raced 1.
get the e55... 2002 is about 40k
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I have test driven C 55 w203 E 55 w211 . porsche 911 turbo 993, all friends cars back in europe. only C 55 in usa. 911 turbo is out of this world. the new e 55 . we did 285 kilometers easly. the limiter was deactivated no other mods.
these are not good comparasions to c 43 , 32 and carrera. well c55 should be similar to c32. and i enjoyed the c55 but still nothing like 911 handles if turbo is similar to carrera in handling.
these are not good comparasions to c 43 , 32 and carrera. well c55 should be similar to c32. and i enjoyed the c55 but still nothing like 911 handles if turbo is similar to carrera in handling.
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Originally Posted by AMG_55
yoko a032r's
h&r racing springs
conforti ecu
modified airbox w/ k&n
hks super drager ( i think thats what it was called) exhaust
h&r racing springs
conforti ecu
modified airbox w/ k&n
hks super drager ( i think thats what it was called) exhaust
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Originally Posted by AMG_55
clk is the coupe of the c, not the e.
its engine is detuned... the 208 has 242hp and 37X trq.
its not better/faster than 209, i raced 1.
get the e55... 2002 is about 40k
its engine is detuned... the 208 has 242hp and 37X trq.
its not better/faster than 209, i raced 1.
get the e55... 2002 is about 40k
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
E55 guy could not drive or needed an airmass.With just those mods u had it would be difficult to run with a properly tuned W210 E55 with a good driver.. My car: H&R springs,Bilstein shocks,Schrick cams,conforti chip,full supersprint exh/w headers,24lb inj,Euro HFM,CAI and gives my car (5.4L)a good run up till 90.My modded E36 M332 is way faster than a chipped and exhaust 3.0L M3 so your car running with the E55 is a head scratcher but nothings impossible on the streets.
i was talking about my clk55 209 running w/ the e55.
and i raced a 208 w/ my 209 and beat him.
i only had the m3 for a year b4 everything (mostly diff and related parts) started braking cause i was driving it too hard... i had to get rid of it (it was a lease and i lost mad bank)
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
I think you have a typo! It's 349-355hp and 376 ft lbs of TQ depending on yr 2k-2k2.Also the W208 vs W209 thing is definitely driver related even though I'll give the edge to the W208 because it's lighter.Chappy ran a 13.32 @ 109mph in his stck W208 CLK55.Both cars are pretty comparable even though the newer one is rated at 362hp.
u got me
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Originally Posted by AMG_55
i raced a 208 w/ my 209 and beat him.
Like I said,different factors involved and this does not mean that every W209 CLK55 will be faster than every W208 CLK55.So based on your race you can't be so general.
But good kill.
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
OK It was your CLK55 vs E55.W210 I'm assuming.That should have been a drivers race IMOP.
Like I said,different factors involved and this does not mean that every W209 CLK55 will be faster than every W208 CLK55.So based on your race you can't be so general.
But good kill.
Like I said,different factors involved and this does not mean that every W209 CLK55 will be faster than every W208 CLK55.So based on your race you can't be so general.
But good kill.
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Originally Posted by AMG_55
clk is the coupe of the c, not the e.
its engine is detuned... the 208 has 242hp and 37X trq.
its not better/faster than 209, i raced 1.
get the e55... 2002 is about 40k
its engine is detuned... the 208 has 242hp and 37X trq.
its not better/faster than 209, i raced 1.
get the e55... 2002 is about 40k
I really wonder when they renew w209, what number they will assing to the chasis since w210 is already taken. i guess there will be a big jumnp on numbers as there was on w140 to w220. and according to mbusa.com 2003 and earlier CLKs are quicker than 2004 and on despite 2004 + has 362 horses vs 355. probably the 355hp 55 engine is lighter.
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Originally Posted by Substance
well w208 clk looks more like a coupe of w210 e class, the same front and rear look, same engines plus interrior are similar. the new clk w209 looks more like a c class w203. but still not as close as w208 to w210. only the class marks confuses me. if it was the coupe of e class it would be a ELK lol.
I really wonder when they renew w209, what number they will assing to the chasis since w210 is already taken. i guess there will be a big jumnp on numbers as there was on w140 to w220. and according to mbusa.com 2003 and earlier CLKs are quicker than 2004 and on despite 2004 + has 362 horses vs 355. probably the 355hp 55 engine is lighter.
I really wonder when they renew w209, what number they will assing to the chasis since w210 is already taken. i guess there will be a big jumnp on numbers as there was on w140 to w220. and according to mbusa.com 2003 and earlier CLKs are quicker than 2004 and on despite 2004 + has 362 horses vs 355. probably the 355hp 55 engine is lighter.
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
The CLK is the coupe of the W202 C class not the E class and also shares the same chassis with the C class I believe. The M113 motor in both old and new CLK 55's are the same and weigh the same.Only diff is more compression starting in 2k1.The weight issue comes from the body.
the 03 clk(mine) has cats only on the headers, the newer 1's have them on the pipe under the car
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get the C32. the c43 was a great car for it's time. however, now it doesn't really shine in anything. the C32 is somewhat outdated and the W203 will be outdated soon anyway, but the C32 has potential to be very fast with a few modifications. the c43 lacks that aftermarket capability. with about $5k in mods (including installation), you can be running mid-high 12's in a C32 with traps around 110+mph in the quarter mile.
i would say dismiss the 911 altogether because if you are even considering a C43 or C32, then you already have your answer. the 993 is a great car, but the 911 and C43/C32 are incredibly different cars. i think that the C43/C32 matches you more, cause if you fit a 993 carrera, then you should want that from the start and wouldn't even consider the idea of a C43 or C32.
i would say dismiss the 911 altogether because if you are even considering a C43 or C32, then you already have your answer. the 993 is a great car, but the 911 and C43/C32 are incredibly different cars. i think that the C43/C32 matches you more, cause if you fit a 993 carrera, then you should want that from the start and wouldn't even consider the idea of a C43 or C32.
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Originally Posted by KompressorKev
get the C32. the c43 was a great car for it's time. however, now it doesn't really shine in anything. the C32 is somewhat outdated and the W203 will be outdated soon anyway, but the C32 has potential to be very fast with a few modifications. the c43 lacks that aftermarket capability. with about $5k in mods (including installation), you can be running mid-high 12's in a C32 with traps around 110+mph in the quarter mile.
LOL! If I did it over again I would supercharge the C43. 4k to do that and it would give the C32 a run for the $$$ if not possibly be much faster.I can see it running mid 12's based on hp figures!Car will put out over 350 whp and it's lighter. Anyway yes the C32 is a great car to mod.
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
Hey Kev! I resent that!Watch your mouth! LOL! If I did it over again I would supercharge the C43. 4k to do that and it would give the C32 a run for the $$$ if not possibly be much faster.I can see it running mid 12's based on hp figures!Car will put out over 350 whp and it's lighter.
Anyway yes the C32 is a great car to mod.
LOL! If I did it over again I would supercharge the C43. 4k to do that and it would give the C32 a run for the $$$ if not possibly be much faster.I can see it running mid 12's based on hp figures!Car will put out over 350 whp and it's lighter. Anyway yes the C32 is a great car to mod.
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
If I did it over again I would supercharge the C43.
but then I never would have found out how I could get a swap done, and would probably have sold my C43 as a result... how luck am I I met you! ...but $4K for a SC? how'z dat? Sign me up ; now!
btw, not ta hijak the thread, but the speedybenz suspension got put on today ... installer's hoping to get some pix from speedybenz for initial setup, then Monday, corner balance and alignment
...just in time to put the snow tires on and drive it like an old man until the spring ... 
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Originally Posted by KompressorKev
coolcarlskic43 - sorry, i did not mean that in a condescending way. i see you have a c43 but obviously it's not a regular c43. i admire your car for its 55 conversion. what i meant was, right now, it is not a current model, stock itself it is not all that fast compared to the current competition, and technology and chassis have improved since the inception of the w202. this is not an attack on the c43 itself, but more comparing the w202 chassis to the othe roptions. i do not mean it in a disparaging way, i do like your car. i did not realize that there were superchargers for c43. especially only for 4k and producing 350rwhp! if that's true, then i retract my statement of c43 lacking modability - cause c32's running around 340rwhp are hitting mid-high 12's on street tires.
Steve I'll pm you the supercharger info.Yes 4k!
