Kenne Bell / Whipple setups?
11-05-2008, 07:23 AM
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Kenne Bell / Whipple setups?
Coming from the Mustang / SVT Lightning world, I'm aware of Terminator Cobra and Lightning owners swapping their Eatons out for Kenne Bell or Whipple blowers and getting substantially more power at the same boost levels and enjoying lower IATs and such.
Has anyone adapted a KB or Whipple to our cars? Is it even possible? Obviously some custom work and a custom tune would be necessary.
Has anyone adapted a KB or Whipple to our cars? Is it even possible? Obviously some custom work and a custom tune would be necessary.
11-05-2008, 07:40 AM
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i've briefly looked into this as well. From what i'm aware of no one has tried.
I think the biggest problem would be the space issue. The engine bay in a c32 is pretty small in comparison to a mustang or truck.
Maybe you can be the first
I think the biggest problem would be the space issue. The engine bay in a c32 is pretty small in comparison to a mustang or truck.
Maybe you can be the first
11-05-2008, 07:54 AM
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Coming from the Mustang / SVT Lightning world, I'm aware of Terminator Cobra and Lightning owners swapping their Eatons out for Kenne Bell or Whipple blowers and getting substantially more power at the same boost levels and enjoying lower IATs and such.
Has anyone adapted a KB or Whipple to our cars? Is it even possible? Obviously some custom work and a custom tune would be necessary.
Has anyone adapted a KB or Whipple to our cars? Is it even possible? Obviously some custom work and a custom tune would be necessary.
What you need to understand is that the MB supercharger IS a Lysholm Screw blower, SO are the KB and Whipple. The Eaton is NOT a Lysholm Screw. With that being said, there is NO benefit to change the supercharger in the name of efficiency, as they are already the SAME design. Plus the MB supercharger has a Teflon coated lobe, to reduce heat. Now the gain COULD come form a LARGER supercharger, of the same Lysholm design, but that would take ALOT of engineering as our intercoolers are located underneath it, and the basic layout of our engines is NOT friendly to a larger supercharger. Hope that helps clear this issue up a little my friend.
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11-05-2008, 01:03 PM
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I thought the MB supercharger was an Eaton? In any event i was a supercharger.... twin screw, Lysholm, roots, whatever its all good to me i just want one. 
11-05-2008, 04:27 PM
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I see....so we basically have a little mini-Kenne Bell on our cars already. That makes sense. I was under the impression that it was just an Eaton.
The space issue is understandable.
Thanks for the info!
That makes sense. I was under the impression that it was just an Eaton.The space issue is understandable.
Thanks for the info!
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I do understand about the space issue with our car, but please look at the bright side of if. So supposedly, we can increase the size of our current supercharger to 2 cm taller and 2cm wider (this will only make the charger 2 cm taller and 1 cm wider on each side of the charger), with this small 2 cm increase in size, we can increase the diagonal of the impeller to 2cm. Please calculate how much more air it can blow under this mall change in side). Can you imagine with a larger volume of air at the same boot, how much more power you can gain?
Just for the area of impeller increased ratio: pi*(r+2cm)^2/pi*r^2 = ((r+2cm)/r)^2
Of course when air is increased, you need more fuel to adapt.
ECU tune is must to max out the gain but It is not impossible and for me it's worth a try.
Just my 2 cents so do not quote me
Just for the area of impeller increased ratio: pi*(r+2cm)^2/pi*r^2 = ((r+2cm)/r)^2
Of course when air is increased, you need more fuel to adapt.
ECU tune is must to max out the gain but It is not impossible and for me it's worth a try.
Just my 2 cents so do not quote me
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11-05-2008, 04:58 PM
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I do understand about the space issue with our car, but please look at the bright side of if. So supposedly, we can increase the size of our current supercharger to 2 cm taller and 2cm wider (this will only make the charger 2 cm taller and 1 cm wider on each side of the charger), with this small 2 cm increase in side, we can increase the diagonal of the impeller to 2cm. Please calculate how much more air it can blow under this mall change in side). Can you imagine with a larger volume of air at the same boot, how much more power you can gain?
Just for the area of impeller increase ratio: pi*(r+2cm)^2/pi*r^2 = ((r+2cm)/r)^2
Of course when air increase, you need more fuel to adapt.
ECU tune is must to max out the gain but It not impossible and for me it's worth a try.
Just my 2 cents so do not quote me
Just for the area of impeller increase ratio: pi*(r+2cm)^2/pi*r^2 = ((r+2cm)/r)^2
Of course when air increase, you need more fuel to adapt.
ECU tune is must to max out the gain but It not impossible and for me it's worth a try.
Just my 2 cents so do not quote me
I would suggest contacting Whipple industries, as KB is Strickly a Ford guy. I could be wrong here, but I bought my whipple from KB a few years back. In any case full speed ahead and let the over boasting begin
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11-05-2008, 05:26 PM
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I wish LET finished there turbo conversion kit before they broke up. I would rather have a turbo for around $6-7k then another supercharger for $5-6k.
Yeah the c32 supercharger is lyoshom supercharged manufactured by IHI in japan. I wish mercedes decided to use japanese electronics too..
Yeah the c32 supercharger is lyoshom supercharged manufactured by IHI in japan. I wish mercedes decided to use japanese electronics too..
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11-06-2008, 04:22 AM
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very good topic. I think I have covered this before on the Whipple supercharger.
There is in fact someone in Taiwan has already done it using the Whipple supercharger in place of the IHI. However this is a lot of work including using the M112 3.7L head+block and M113k pistons and rods, schrick cams, and other stuff. estimated more than 500hp conservatively. (basically it's not even a C32 anymore.) This is one of 5 C32 that had the 3.7L block and head conversion in Taiwan and the one that has the most work done.
total cost for that car in modifications along (including the brakes, wheels, suspensions, cooling, engine, tranny, etc) is 1.5 million NTD which is roughly $46800 USD. The car itself was 3.5 mil NTD brand new or more roughly $110-120k USD.
here's the link for the full article in Chinese. http://www.carnews.com/index.php?Mod...&division=Car1
There is in fact someone in Taiwan has already done it using the Whipple supercharger in place of the IHI. However this is a lot of work including using the M112 3.7L head+block and M113k pistons and rods, schrick cams, and other stuff. estimated more than 500hp conservatively. (basically it's not even a C32 anymore.) This is one of 5 C32 that had the 3.7L block and head conversion in Taiwan and the one that has the most work done.
total cost for that car in modifications along (including the brakes, wheels, suspensions, cooling, engine, tranny, etc) is 1.5 million NTD which is roughly $46800 USD. The car itself was 3.5 mil NTD brand new or more roughly $110-120k USD.
here's the link for the full article in Chinese. http://www.carnews.com/index.php?Mod...&division=Car1
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very good topic. I think I have covered this before on the Whipple supercharger.
There is in fact someone in Taiwan has already done it using the Whipple supercharger in place of the IHI. However this is a lot of work including using the M112 3.7L head+block and M113k pistons and rods, schrick cams, and other stuff. estimated more than 500hp conservatively. (basically it's not even a C32 anymore.) This is one of 5 C32 that had the 3.7L block and head conversion in Taiwan and the one that has the most work done.
total cost for that car in modifications along (including the brakes, wheels, suspensions, cooling, engine, tranny, etc) is 1.5 million NTD which is roughly $46800 USD. The car itself was 3.5 mil NTD brand new or more roughly $110-120k USD.
here's the link for the full article in Chinese. http://www.carnews.com/index.php?Mod...&division=Car1
There is in fact someone in Taiwan has already done it using the Whipple supercharger in place of the IHI. However this is a lot of work including using the M112 3.7L head+block and M113k pistons and rods, schrick cams, and other stuff. estimated more than 500hp conservatively. (basically it's not even a C32 anymore.) This is one of 5 C32 that had the 3.7L block and head conversion in Taiwan and the one that has the most work done.
total cost for that car in modifications along (including the brakes, wheels, suspensions, cooling, engine, tranny, etc) is 1.5 million NTD which is roughly $46800 USD. The car itself was 3.5 mil NTD brand new or more roughly $110-120k USD.
here's the link for the full article in Chinese. http://www.carnews.com/index.php?Mod...&division=Car1
all i see are chicken scratches...haha..jk..Frank. Bah someone needs to take up the mantle and finish turbo conversion.
11-06-2008, 11:21 AM
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here's the link for the full article in Chinese. http://www.carnews.com/index.php?Mod...&division=Car1
Looks promising but translate in english...only other language I can read is Spanish....soy Puerto Rican
11-06-2008, 11:29 AM
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I wish LET finished there turbo conversion kit before they broke up.
Sorry, E guy straying in here to look around and noticed this. Most likely older news but kinda stunned me.
11-06-2008, 11:37 AM
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These kind of modifications are very expensive. Take a few hours to total up every nut and bolt you will need, no cutting corners...then double it.
There will be obstacles arise that you wont think of when you start. The first person will make a huge sacrifice financially as well as the time and hassle. If someone could translate and research as much about the car in Taiwan, it would be a huge stepping stone to start with.
There will be obstacles arise that you wont think of when you start. The first person will make a huge sacrifice financially as well as the time and hassle. If someone could translate and research as much about the car in Taiwan, it would be a huge stepping stone to start with.
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