Concerns on c32 camshafts
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I think the main reason why the camshafts were not that popular, besides being so expensive to buy and install, was that they didn't make much gain for the price invested. I think there are a lot of other mods to see the true benefits of cams, but it may be worth it to keep our engines from dying.
Jerry had all sorts of mods on his C32 and he saw maybe 10hp gain from cams, could have been his ported heads though. What kind of gains are you seeing 430 from your cams?
Jerry had all sorts of mods on his C32 and he saw maybe 10hp gain from cams, could have been his ported heads though. What kind of gains are you seeing 430 from your cams?
I got a good deal on the Schrick Cams and am happy with them. But I would not spend $2600 on cams. That being said the gain is not nearly as noticeable as a tune or pulleys.
The idle is not bad at all. It was a bit rough until a couple of issues were addressed.
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The plan had been to dyno the car after the cams but that did not happen in a short enough time frame or without additional mods being installed.
I got a good deal on the Schrick Cams and am happy with them. But I would not spend $2600 on cams. That being said the gain is not nearly as noticeable as a tune or pulleys.
The idle is not bad at all. It was a bit rough until a couple of issues were addressed.
I got a good deal on the Schrick Cams and am happy with them. But I would not spend $2600 on cams. That being said the gain is not nearly as noticeable as a tune or pulleys.
The idle is not bad at all. It was a bit rough until a couple of issues were addressed.
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I have DAS/EWAnet installed o my machine, just misunderstood you. I thought there are R&R brand cams available for our cars)
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The plan had been to dyno the car after the cams but that did not happen in a short enough time frame or without additional mods being installed.
I got a good deal on the Schrick Cams and am happy with them. But I would not spend $2600 on cams. That being said the gain is not nearly as noticeable as a tune or pulleys.
The idle is not bad at all. It was a bit rough until a couple of issues were addressed.
I got a good deal on the Schrick Cams and am happy with them. But I would not spend $2600 on cams. That being said the gain is not nearly as noticeable as a tune or pulleys.
The idle is not bad at all. It was a bit rough until a couple of issues were addressed.
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I got the cams from Erick when he was had LET after Jerry worked out the problems with the cams he received. I am not sure if you can still get a set. First place I would start is to contact Eurocharged. I can look at the box and see about a part number but Eurocharged will have all the info.
The issues were nothing to do with the Cams. I had to replace my third set of motor mounts, had a leaking IC, and a shop seemed to have incorrectly set the gap on the spark plugs.
Idle with or without the AC on is a bit rougher than stock but not as bad as being stock and having bad motor mounts. It is not like having a Mustang with an aggressive cam.
Idle with or without the AC on is a bit rougher than stock but not as bad as being stock and having bad motor mounts. It is not like having a Mustang with an aggressive cam.
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I got the cams from Erick when he was had LET after Jerry worked out the problems with the cams he received. I am not sure if you can still get a set. First place I would start is to contact Eurocharged. I can look at the box and see about a part number but Eurocharged will have all the info.
The issues were nothing to do with the Cams. I had to replace my third set of motor mounts, had a leaking IC, and a shop seemed to have incorrectly set the gap on the spark plugs.
Idle with or without the AC on is a bit rougher than stock but not as bad as being stock and having bad motor mounts. It is not like having a Mustang with an aggressive cam.
The issues were nothing to do with the Cams. I had to replace my third set of motor mounts, had a leaking IC, and a shop seemed to have incorrectly set the gap on the spark plugs.
Idle with or without the AC on is a bit rougher than stock but not as bad as being stock and having bad motor mounts. It is not like having a Mustang with an aggressive cam.
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One of the sets of motor mounts had some life left in them but I had purchased a set of headers from Vadim that did not fit. He suggested new motor mounts. Which did not solve the problem.
I had the ECU tune prior to the cams. Got an updated tune something like a year later.
I am having no fueling issues. My A/F is 11.8 at WOT, near the top of the rev range
Mods:
185mm Pulley
Schrick Cams
CM90 IC pump (dying and about to drop to a CM30)
SL55 intake with K&N Filters
Needswings modified intake manifolds
Coated & Wrapped Intercooler
Large Heat Exchanger for IC system
Seperated cooling system
Deleted Resonator
Deleted Secondary Cats
Needswings Catch Can
PTE Cold Thermostat
Needswings PSK
Poly Motor Mounts
Eurocharged ECU Tune
Polished and coated SC Snout
Polished and coated SC Y-Pipe
Limited Slip Diff
Adjustable camber arms
Poly steering bushings
1 step colder spark plugs
I feel like I am missing something from the list but can't think of what it is right now.
I had the ECU tune prior to the cams. Got an updated tune something like a year later.
I am having no fueling issues. My A/F is 11.8 at WOT, near the top of the rev range
Mods:
185mm Pulley
Schrick Cams
CM90 IC pump (dying and about to drop to a CM30)
SL55 intake with K&N Filters
Needswings modified intake manifolds
Coated & Wrapped Intercooler
Large Heat Exchanger for IC system
Seperated cooling system
Deleted Resonator
Deleted Secondary Cats
Needswings Catch Can
PTE Cold Thermostat
Needswings PSK
Poly Motor Mounts
Eurocharged ECU Tune
Polished and coated SC Snout
Polished and coated SC Y-Pipe
Limited Slip Diff
Adjustable camber arms
Poly steering bushings
1 step colder spark plugs
I feel like I am missing something from the list but can't think of what it is right now.
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2002 C32 AMG
One of the sets of motor mounts had some life left in them but I had purchased a set of headers from Vadim that did not fit. He suggested new motor mounts. Which did not solve the problem.
I had the ECU tune prior to the cams. Got an updated tune something like a year later.
I am having no fueling issues. My A/F is 11.8 at WOT, near the top of the rev range
Mods:
185mm Pulley
Schrick Cams
CM90 IC pump (dying and about to drop to a CM30)
SL55 intake with K&N Filters
Needswings modified intake manifolds
Coated & Wrapped Intercooler
Large Heat Exchanger for IC system
Seperated cooling system
Deleted Resonator
Deleted Secondary Cats
Needswings Catch Can
PTE Cold Thermostat
Needswings PSK
Poly Motor Mounts
Eurocharged ECU Tune
Polished and coated SC Snout
Polished and coated SC Y-Pipe
Limited Slip Diff
Adjustable camber arms
Poly steering bushings
1 step colder spark plugs
I feel like I am missing something from the list but can't think of what it is right now.
I had the ECU tune prior to the cams. Got an updated tune something like a year later.
I am having no fueling issues. My A/F is 11.8 at WOT, near the top of the rev range
Mods:
185mm Pulley
Schrick Cams
CM90 IC pump (dying and about to drop to a CM30)
SL55 intake with K&N Filters
Needswings modified intake manifolds
Coated & Wrapped Intercooler
Large Heat Exchanger for IC system
Seperated cooling system
Deleted Resonator
Deleted Secondary Cats
Needswings Catch Can
PTE Cold Thermostat
Needswings PSK
Poly Motor Mounts
Eurocharged ECU Tune
Polished and coated SC Snout
Polished and coated SC Y-Pipe
Limited Slip Diff
Adjustable camber arms
Poly steering bushings
1 step colder spark plugs
I feel like I am missing something from the list but can't think of what it is right now.
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lizardjack Look at the link below that is the camshafts you need.
http://www.bar-tek-tuning.com/Merced...ICK+V6+256.htm
http://www.bar-tek-tuning.com/Merced...ICK+V6+256.htm
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lizardjack Look at the link below that is the camshafts you need.
http://www.bar-tek-tuning.com/Merced...ICK+V6+256.htm
http://www.bar-tek-tuning.com/Merced...ICK+V6+256.htm
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2002 C32 AMG
Has anyone had any dealings with the Kleemann super sport cams. The way kleemann advertises it can be used in either n/a or s/c engines. I'm thinking its not a real aggressive cam so it could used in either motor but that's just speculating, and from when I called them for pricing & availability, they said I shouldn't need to mess with my ecu, which there again makes me think its not to aggressive. I've heard some say they've had to have the idle bumped up a little with the schrick cams do to such a lumpy idle. My whole objective is to get rid of my junk 02' cams for ease of mind, and maybe gain a little power in the process, I just don't want alot of headaches in the process. I keep hearing that kleemann cams are made by schrick , but if schrick doesn't make or sell them anymore how can kleemann still be selling cams 
. I'll have the money in a couple of weeks to buy the cams, I just want to get all the advice, and opinions I can before making the purchase 
.
. I'll have the money in a couple of weeks to buy the cams, I just want to get all the advice, and opinions I can before making the purchase .
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Has anyone had any dealings with the Kleemann super sport cams. The way kleemann advertises it can be used in either n/a or s/c engines. I'm thinking its not a real aggressive cam so it could used in either motor but that's just speculating, and from when I called them for pricing & availability, they said I shouldn't need to mess with my ecu, which there again makes me think its not to aggressive. I've heard some say they've had to have the idle bumped up a little with the schrick cams do to such a lumpy idle. My whole objective is to get rid of my junk 02' cams for ease of mind, and maybe gain a little power in the process, I just don't want alot of headaches in the process. I keep hearing that kleemann cams are made by schrick , but if schrick doesn't make or sell them anymore how can kleemann still be selling cams . I'll have the money in a couple of weeks to buy the cams, I just want to get all the advice, and opinions I can before making the purchase .
. I'll have the money in a couple of weeks to buy the cams, I just want to get all the advice, and opinions I can before making the purchase .
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Has anyone had any dealings with the Kleemann super sport cams. The way kleemann advertises it can be used in either n/a or s/c engines. I'm thinking its not a real aggressive cam so it could used in either motor but that's just speculating, and from when I called them for pricing & availability, they said I shouldn't need to mess with my ecu, which there again makes me think its not to aggressive. I've heard some say they've had to have the idle bumped up a little with the schrick cams do to such a lumpy idle. My whole objective is to get rid of my junk 02' cams for ease of mind, and maybe gain a little power in the process, I just don't want alot of headaches in the process. I keep hearing that kleemann cams are made by schrick , but if schrick doesn't make or sell them anymore how can kleemann still be selling cams . I'll have the money in a couple of weeks to buy the cams, I just want to get all the advice, and opinions I can before making the purchase .
. I'll have the money in a couple of weeks to buy the cams, I just want to get all the advice, and opinions I can before making the purchase .
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2002 C32 AMG
Hey guys I finally after all the contemplating about cams went with the Kleemann super sport cams. They ended up being $2,500 by the time they got to my front door, and about another $200 in specialty tools and gaskets. The cams came with all new rocker shaft bolts. I did the install all my self which wasn't to bad other then the part where you have to zip tie the cam sprockets up so the chain doesn't fall or slip on the crank sprocket, this part was a bit nail biting. The car idles great, and has a very slight lope, the rpm's really didn't change at idle or when in gear. I haven't had much time to drive it but it does seem to definitively have more mid range power, but the track will be the judge of that.
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found this on german forum
An AMG mechanic confirmed the problem is mainly on 01 and 02. The cam can slightly twist on the axle. Its uncommon, but i do happen. Seems to affect heavily tuned cars more.
I used google translate on this.
http://forum.amg-owners-club.org/pub...e-kompression/
I used google translate on this.
http://forum.amg-owners-club.org/pub...e-kompression/
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my car is in the shop getting cylinder 1 compression issue checked out and the suspicion is i have the problematic camshafts as my car was one of the early 2003s that EPC confirms had the bad camshafts.
