M&M

hey Dracco, sorry I couldn't make it. I heard you C32 ran 15.0.

My buddy with the C55 ran 14.408 @ 158.

Did you see my other buddy with the silver E46 M3. he ran 14.2 @ 163. I have run 13.7 @ 165 at Wesbank. Go to their website & you'll see the results.

BTW, I didn't come because my car is currently at a tuner getting MOD
IFIED. See you guys next week when i hop to break by best time of 13.71.

Belmondo

This m&m is one reatrded f uck---first he invites Dracco to the race track :


M&M
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Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: South Africa
Vehicle I drive: E46 M3
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On Sunday all 4 of us will be at Wesbank Raceway starting at 5pm to test some 1/4 mile runs. It would be nice to have a C32 as well.
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than when he learned that Dracco will be there this m&m f uck does not show up
and posts BS as an excuse. Didn't you know ahead of time about your phony "mod" job so you will not be there?? Give us another dumb excuse, moron.

Belmondo

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Vehicle I drive: CLK55 AMG
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This (M&M) guy is a waste of time...he used to do the same thing on the Audiworld S4 forum:
i.e., he would come in, post a data point, and argue a position until someone came along and posted evidence which proved his original point was wrong...at which point he'd change the argument, the same as he's doing here.



Amen to this.

M&M

Hey Belmondo did you see the video of me beating the black C55 that also ran 14.4? So why would I be scared of a 15 second C32?

FrankW

why don't you post this on e46fanatics or bimmerforums?? just wondering

are you afraid you'll get called BS even from your fellow Bimmer owner or those that once had a Bimmer like me.

steve s

ok..going off topic.. not trying to defend or beat down on someone...but it's hard to follow the posts on this thread and make good sense.. probably just a little too late today.. think i'll hit the sac..

M&M

Frank, what's so unbelievable about an M3 beating a C55? An Enzo or McLaren F1 would be unbelievable but beating a C55? C'mon the 2 UD mags to test the C55 so far have run slower numbers than when they tested the M3 6MT. Also the European mags have got the M3 qucker.

You see, you went & spoilt it now. I was trying so hard to stay off the topic of "mine is faster than yours".

04E500

I don't know about the mag articles, but I am sure that MY C55 is faster than an M3!

Vomit

Nothing worse than a mouthy flake.

FrankW

0-60 in 4.7 ties or is quicker than the M3 6MT tested in the same magazine from motor trend (C&D ran 4.8). the 1/4 mile pass for the C55 is also at least 1-1.5 mph faster than the M3 6MT. I've seen car mags from Taiwan that tested the M3 6MT to run only 5.4-5.5 0-100km/h where they ran the C32 at 5.2-5.3. The C32 already can beat the M3 on a roll from personal experience, maybe not off the line, but once pass 60mph it's all over.

Belmondo

The only thing Dracco confirmed is that he did not SEE you because you were not there, I guess you got flat tire on your tricycle. I wish a few dudes from a nearby township would catch your sorry *** and beat all that BS out of you.

M&M

Draco will not confirm anything anymore because his best run if the day wa 15.0. Draco, I know you can drive 'cos you have turbo Opels on the track. & I know your car wasn't sick. But we will meet soon so I don't want to get nasty. Please explain how that happened. And if you run that time, surely you realise that just about any M3 will beat you on the street (maybe even a 330 or 2).

I'm sure there's a valid explanantion so I'm just asking.

Jon200

answer this from improviz

ah ha, not 100% of all mags AROUND THE WORLD tested the M3 was faster like you said in ur other thread, one which you hv failed to respond to again.

I bet ur gonna ignore this post as well like u do best

M&M

It's always a pleasure arguing with you guys Improvoz & Jon. You guys are so knowledgable. Here's C&D's test of the M3 6MT:




Car & Driver:
0-60 in 4.5 & 1/4 mile in 13.1 for M3 (as seen above)
0-60 in 4.7 & 1/4 mile in 13.3 for C55

R&T got 4.7 & 13.3 @ 106.8 for the M3
They got 5.0 & 13.5 @ 106.6 for the C55

Here's Europe's biggest mag test:

http://www.einszweidrei.de/mercedes/c55amg2004-1.htm

Motorart V 8
Hubraum 5439 ccm
Aufladung Sauger
PS - UMin 367 PS - 5750/Min
Nm - UMin 510 Nm - 4000/Min
Motorlage/Antrieb Frontmotor/Heck
Gänge/Schaltung 5/Automatik
Test in ams 07/2004
Gewicht 1660 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,9 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,3 s
0 - 120 km/h 7,2 s
0 - 130 km/h 8,2 s
0 - 140 km/h 9,3 s
0 - 160 km/h 11,7 s
0 - 180 km/h 15,0 s
0 - 200 km/h 18,8 s
400 m, stehender Start 13,5 s
Vmax 250 km/h
100 - 0 km/h (kalt) 42 m
100 - 0 km/h (warm) 43 m
Slalom 18 m 63,0 km/h
ISO Ausweichtest 137,0 km/h
Testverbrauch 14,1 L/SB
Testwagenpreis 69.229 Euro

And here's the M3 test by the same mag:

http://www.einszweidrei.de/bmw/m32003-2.htm

Motorart R 6
Hubraum 3246 ccm
Aufladung Sauger
PS - UMin 343 PS - 7900/Min
Nm - UMin 365 Nm - 4900/Min
Motorlage/Antrieb Frontmotor/Heck
Gänge/Schaltung 6/manuell
Test in ams 1/2003
Gewicht 1570 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,5 s
0 - 100 km/h 4,8 s
0 - 120 km/h 6,5 s
0 - 140 km/h 8,5 s
0 - 160 km/h 10,9 s
0 - 180 km/h 13,7 s
0 - 200 km/h 16,8 s
Vmax 250 km/h
100 - 0 km/h (kalt) 35,7 m
100 - 0 km/h (warm) 35,7 m
Slalom 18 m 66,8 km/h
ISO Ausweichtest 135,2 km/h
Testverbrauch 12,5 L/SP
Grundpreis 54.000 Euro

The M3 was 2 seconds quicker to 125mph!

I don't know about you guys, but an unbiased person looking at this from the outside (or people who have seen my video) might just think that an M3 is quicker. What say you guys? Worldwide conspiracy ala X-files?

I am trying to stay off this topic because each person has their own biased opinion, but you guys keep bringing it up.

Jon200

not as knowledgable as you saying the GT2 had the same suspension setup as the GT3 and claiming they were different later on

not as knowledgable as you saying torque means jack in a race

there u go again, changing direction. That must hv took you ages to do your so-called google search. Never in my posts I said the M3 wasn't quicker in some comparisons.

The argument was never about which car was faster, it was the way you approached this forum and not putting up a balanced argument. Just look back to the kill stories thread you started and follow the entire post

once again I ask you the simple question (which you have failed to answer), Do you admit ur totally wrong in saying 100% of all car mags tested the M3 quicker?

Nickerz

What I don't get, is why many guys (M&M) seem to brag about their M3 times with a manual vs. AMG's auto - and they're SOOO proud!? Sure AMG doesn't have a manual but just think if they did! So the fact in my mind is that my C55 auto keeps up with the M3 IF the driver is a pro and shifts perfectly. If not, I take the M3 in my AUTO. It seems that many of the best times, especially sub 5 seconds to 60mph, come from manual and AMG did it with an AUTO! M3 owners would have their panties in a bunch if AMG ever came out with a manual. I also read that not too long from now, car makers will most likely do away with manual gearboxes in general . Not completely but it will definitely have an impact on future cars (even the new M5 will come in only the newest SMG gearbox). So AMG is that much more ahead of the game.

Give some credit to AMG as you have for your M3 as BOTH cars are great cars!

Also, I checked C&D and in a recent article (Sept. '04) they wrote this about the M3...
"...—but still slower than the last M3 we tested ["Compact Adrenaline-Delivery Systems," May 2003], which met those marks in 4.8 and 13.6 at 105"

Link: http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1

So that article you posted above was with an M3 back in 2001? Wouldn't you conclude that the tests they run now, especially the one I just quoted would be a lot more accurate? Thus, making the C55 quicker.

Nick

PS What does the M3 Auto do 0-60 and 1/4 mile? To me, that's an apples to apples comparison. Hey M&M, how da like dem apples (in a Boston accent)...hahahahahaha j/k Good Will Hunting!

M&M

Jon, I am man enough to admit that I was wrong. Not 100% of mags got the M3 quicker. But surely you see that its probably around 90%. I acually have some German tests which I can post right now.

But would like to call a truce & stop posting these stats. I'd rather we each enjot our respective cars & stop slitting hairs over a few tenths. I'm just very excited about the mods I'm doing.

Dracco121

Ela guys ye my poor c32 only managed 14.841 thats about the best I could get was quick off the line on the responce but didint go far , I raced the silver c55 a couple of times he was quicker. about two car lenghts at the end all the times we tried defferent lanes as one of the lanes is nown for posting slower times but the results were about the same .
Also ran against a m3 red one good chap beat the m3 with the c32 but only because the poor reaction time of the m3 . when the c55 ran against him he got hes act together and well the m beat the c55 on one run and the c55 beat him on the second run best time the c55 got was 14.4 something .
remmember we are at 5000 or 6000 above sea level .

The only excuse I have is that I put shel raceing fuel in the c32 that morning 102 octane , wanted some extra oomf but in reality the car actualy got worse then better , put 20 liters in the tank and well had to ride it out .
today i put the normal unleaded v power shell back in and well i think the car is better , will be there again on sunday with the standerd fuel the best time weve got is 14.4 with the c32 .

I think soon im going to start working on the merc in my tuning shop Merc here isnt helping and well they can keep there motor plan .Im sure that with the proper mods the power we can generate out the c32 should be extreme.[

I have attached a scan of one of the slips from sun .
6b94 is my c32.
Sa192 was a 328 beamer i think

cliverman

I've often wondered why anyone would post on a forum stating "my car is better than your car..." blah blah.....f-ing blah! When cars are this close in times, the car that wins won b/c of the driver.

M&M

Dracco we need to hook up sometime. I'm finsihed with all this stats & bull****. We are all enthusiasts & choose a car based on our personal preferences. I'm sure you realise after seeing with your own eyes that all out cars (C32, C55, M3) are so closely matched that it will come down to driver.

I have some ideas on the C32 & altitude. Did you use Shell 102 leaded? Because that will affect your O2 sensors & catts. Rather comw with me & the C55 on Wednesdays to Kyalami to get 102 unleaded.

Also, you need to let the car adapt. Your car will run much better with the higher octane. On our pump fuel the C32 does not develop the boost it does ar sea-level. We have seen this on the dyno. In fact at this elevation the C32 makes LESS power & only slightly more torque as an M3 on the wheels.

S do you want me to post my Wesbank timeslip or did the C55 guy tell you about me?

Dracco121

ela M&M i think i used 102 leaded thank goodness its out the car now and im running v power again car is allot quicker with the standerd fuel , its too late to get to kayalami just got home wish i had read the message sooner and i would have joined you guys , any way ill be at westbank again this sunday but im going to run standerd fuel .
Good news is i just odrderd the renntech pulley system from the states .
can wait to get it here , ill install it my self at the shop sounds simple to do.

M&M

Dracco, the leaded fuel might have blocked your catts. You will lose about 5kw. What did the guys say about me?

Dracco121

ela M&M didint speak much to the c55 driver although we were both greek he was to eager to race race race thats about all we did. I had to ask him about ten times if he new you kept on denieng , i kecpt on bugging him i was sure the c55 was the one from the pics and once i told him about the pics then he new what i was talking about , oh ye he told me you run semmy slicks on the back dont now if its true .
do you think that just 20l of the petrol would have messed up the cat ?
will you come to westbank this weekend ?

M&M

I don't think the raceway is open this week-end. It's normally every 2nd week-end that they have an event. I will be there for the next one.

I do have semi-slicks but don't run them anymore. My best with the semi's was 13.54 & with the street tyres (Toyo T1-S) 13.71.

When I raced both C55's we did standing starts & rolling runs & I was quicker in all the rolliong runs. Here's my slip from Wesbank: