AMG 55 Game is over !
12-27-2004, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bilal
Walter, you're a clever man, and damn lucky 
What would be the surprise in telling us whats coming for the next 4 years? Just be patient guys........
What would be the surprise in telling us whats coming for the next 4 years? Just be patient guys........
Originally Posted by Bilal
Harris is the main guy if you need any tuning parts from nearly every tuner, he can get you AMG LSD's to name a very few exclusive parts, which I don't think any other member/company is offering for the NA market...or indeed even in the UK! You can bet he has some "contacts" down at AMG....
down at AMG....
that's a measure of true genius right there.
12-27-2004, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by VancouverC32
If any of this is true, it really makes alot of us not want to buy a new Mercedes product if they cannot stay relatively consistant from year to year. Why buy something that you know will be outdated sooner than later?
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I am sure AMG will manage a balanced technical and marketing strategy.
One thing is true . only displacement will please the Americans where that's 50% of the AMG sale is.
12-27-2004, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Stiggs
Why would the CLK have both a 55 and a 63??
And, they might also want to consider to give two options to C AMG owners
1. C60 - 420hp
2. C63 - 520hp
My guess is C63 will be a real race car with a E63 engine perfromance. It will not be as 'cheap' as the C60 but will be close to the price of a E63. That's for people who want the E63 power but don't want the big body and luxury of the E-Class. Or there may not be a C60 but a tuned down 6.3 V8.
12-28-2004, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Walter.fr
Hello CynCavin32
NO SIR, it is not only one trip to Germany .... would be too easy of course !
In the last years I had the change to drive all the AMG cars on the market - purchased some of them, tested some of them - even models you had never seen, or guessed even. Signed as well for some models you are dreaming about - but I am not announcing anything - before they are in my garage.
Thats the difference .... between some serious people and some "wanna bees" ... OK ??
THIS is enough explenation ??
Or do YOU really think that EVERYBODY can have a taxi ride in a DTM C-Class with Bernd Schneider ??
GO on with your comments ....
kind regards from France
Walter
NO SIR, it is not only one trip to Germany .... would be too easy of course !
In the last years I had the change to drive all the AMG cars on the market - purchased some of them, tested some of them - even models you had never seen, or guessed even. Signed as well for some models you are dreaming about - but I am not announcing anything - before they are in my garage.
Thats the difference .... between some serious people and some "wanna bees" ... OK ??
THIS is enough explenation ??
Or do YOU really think that EVERYBODY can have a taxi ride in a DTM C-Class with Bernd Schneider ?? GO on with your comments ....
kind regards from France
Walter
12-28-2004, 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CynCarvin32
Wake up... was not talking about you but take it as you wish sir... no need for kind regards from France
Walter has given us much information regarding various models in the past - you could show him the same sort of respect and professionalism that he showed you.
12-28-2004, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by schwarzwagen
i guess you cant read sarcasm when you see it.
wow, harris has an amg parts catalog... that's a measure of true genius right there.
wow, harris has an amg parts catalog...
that's a measure of true genius right there.Whoa, did someone wake up on the wrong side of bed this morning? No need to be THAT sarcastic. I'm sure you have your contacts and business as well...
12-28-2004, 09:41 AM
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WOOW openning this thread is like openning an oven... Too much heat.
AMG are gettin crazy with displacement. A small car like the C class running with a 6.3L engine, thats alot. I think that anyone who buys one won't be thinking alot about fuel economy .. 6.3L wow. Thats big..
Although I don't drive a Benz, I am a big fan... The C class is maybe a little bigger than my Volvo. When I hear C63, I just imagine 6.3L under the hood of my Volvo.. LOL .. My Volvo has 1948cc engine lol thats even less than 1/3 lol.
Not bad for such a small engine to put out ~250bhp ~400Nm.
AMG are gettin crazy with displacement. A small car like the C class running with a 6.3L engine, thats alot. I think that anyone who buys one won't be thinking alot about fuel economy
.. 6.3L wow. Thats big..Although I don't drive a Benz, I am a big fan... The C class is maybe a little bigger than my Volvo. When I hear C63, I just imagine 6.3L under the hood of my Volvo.. LOL .. My Volvo has 1948cc engine lol thats even less than 1/3 lol.
Not bad for such a small engine to put out ~250bhp ~400Nm.
12-28-2004, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ZAF
WOOW openning this thread is like openning an oven... Too much heat.
AMG are gettin crazy with displacement. A small car like the C class running with a 6.3L engine, thats alot. I think that anyone who buys one won't be thinking alot about fuel economy .. 6.3L wow. Thats big..
Although I don't drive a Benz, I am a big fan... The C class is maybe a little bigger than my Volvo. When I hear C63, I just imagine 6.3L under the hood of my Volvo.. LOL .. My Volvo has 1948cc engine lol thats even less than 1/3 lol.
Not bad for such a small engine to put out ~250bhp ~400Nm.
AMG are gettin crazy with displacement. A small car like the C class running with a 6.3L engine, thats alot. I think that anyone who buys one won't be thinking alot about fuel economy
.. 6.3L wow. Thats big..Although I don't drive a Benz, I am a big fan... The C class is maybe a little bigger than my Volvo. When I hear C63, I just imagine 6.3L under the hood of my Volvo.. LOL .. My Volvo has 1948cc engine lol thats even less than 1/3 lol.
Not bad for such a small engine to put out ~250bhp ~400Nm.
Actually the 5.5 liter engine in the C55 is pretty economical, at least compared to my S4 which GULPS fuel like crazy... It's funny though how the C55 has a total of 24 valves compared with 40 in the S4...
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12-28-2004, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by EKaru
Actually the 5.5 liter engine in the C55 is pretty economical, at least compared to my S4 which GULPS fuel like crazy... It's funny though how the C55 has a total of 24 valves compared with 40 in the S4...
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12-28-2004, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by AaronC
I think that benz uses 3 valves instead of 4 or 5 because that extra spark plug needs room in the head.
I thought the 3 valve/cylinder set-up had more to do with economy...
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12-28-2004, 10:51 AM
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i have not heard of anything about a "60 AMG", even though the bi-turbo engine might be a 6.0 liter but they will remain to be badged as 63s. so c63, e63, cl 63, S63 and etc..
as of the hp, here is what i think:
c63 (V8 NA): 440 hp - this car wont go over 500hp
e63/cls63/ml63/r63 (V8 NA): 490 hp - close to 500 hp compete with new m5
cl63/sl63/s63 (V8 bi-turbo): 560 hp
cl65/sl65/s65 (V12 bi-turbo): same as current 65s (604 hp)
clk63: no one cares about clk (maybe NA V8 with 460 hp)
as of the hp, here is what i think:
c63 (V8 NA): 440 hp - this car wont go over 500hp
e63/cls63/ml63/r63 (V8 NA): 490 hp - close to 500 hp compete with new m5
cl63/sl63/s63 (V8 bi-turbo): 560 hp
cl65/sl65/s65 (V12 bi-turbo): same as current 65s (604 hp)
clk63: no one cares about clk (maybe NA V8 with 460 hp)
12-28-2004, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by EKaru
Actually the 5.5 liter engine in the C55 is pretty economical, at least compared to my S4 which GULPS fuel like crazy... ..
At real packed traffic with lots of starts/stops at traffic lights
the C55 consumes 17-19 litre/100km.
The only issue is our fuel costs is three times the States
12-28-2004, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by cntlaw
The only issue is our fuel costs is three times the States
Why don't you move here so that you don't have to pay twice the price for the car and three times the price for fuel...
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12-28-2004, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by cntlaw
On my daily 25km packed traffic highway+hill roads journey , on my ex-W210 E320 , it consumes ~11 litre/100km. The C55 consumes 13.5 litre/100km. That means C55 is really not bad for that.
At real packed traffic with lots of starts/stops at traffic lights
the C55 consumes 17-19 litre/100km.
The only issue is our fuel costs is three times the States
At real packed traffic with lots of starts/stops at traffic lights
the C55 consumes 17-19 litre/100km.
The only issue is our fuel costs is three times the States
Highway = ~7 L/100km thats while doing ~120km/h
Traffic = ~10-11L / 100km
Not bad for a car that can clock the 1/4m in mid 14s @ 160km/h
(ok I know thats nothing compared to what you guys AMG badge owners can do)
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12-28-2004, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by EKaru
Why don't you move here so that you don't have to pay twice the price for the car and three times the price for fuel...
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Eric....
Yeah! The money I paid for my C55 can get a SL500 in USA.
USA is the world's No.1 for sport/luxury car fans.
Believe or not , luxury car price in HK is still the cheapest in Asia!
In Thailand , they are doubled HK price! But their fuel cost is similar to USA
12-28-2004, 01:12 PM
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Yeah! The money I paid for my C55 can get a SL500 in USA.
USA is the world's No.1 for sport/luxury car fans.
Believe or not , luxury car price in HK is still the cheapest in Asia!
In Thailand , they are doubled HK price! But their fuel cost is similar to USA
USA is the world's No.1 for sport/luxury car fans.
Believe or not , luxury car price in HK is still the cheapest in Asia!
In Thailand , they are doubled HK price! But their fuel cost is similar to USA
My uncle in Sri Lanka paid $55K for a C250 D back in 00' and now that car is floating down some road
.... Thank God that none of my family members were taken by the Tsunami...Eric...
12-28-2004, 06:46 PM
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:vEric...
12-28-2004, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cntlaw
On my daily 25km packed traffic highway+hill roads journey , on my ex-W210 E320 , it consumes ~11 litre/100km. The C55 consumes 13.5 litre/100km. That means C55 is really not bad for that.
At real packed traffic with lots of starts/stops at traffic lights
the C55 consumes 17-19 litre/100km.
The only issue is our fuel costs is three times the States
Ouch 19 L/100km .............................. God bless the 2.0L turbo charged engines
Highway = ~7 L/100km thats while doing ~120km/h
Traffic = ~10-11L / 100km
Not bad for a car that can clock the 1/4m in mid 14s @ 160km/h (ok I know thats nothing compared to what you guys AMG badge owners can do)
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Average fuel consumption is 13+19=32/2=16 litre/100km
Above based on 50%/50% mixed driving conditions, thus, the C-class 62 litre fuel tank can do 400km. But when I do more city traffic drivings, 320km a tank is about right. And, 320km is about the average fuel consumption of most owners here.
Believe or not , doing real harsh on the fuel pedal is not as bad as start/stop at traffic lights.
On my daily 25km packed traffic highway+hill roads journey , on my ex-W210 E320 , it consumes ~11 litre/100km. The C55 consumes 13.5 litre/100km. That means C55 is really not bad for that.
At real packed traffic with lots of starts/stops at traffic lights
the C55 consumes 17-19 litre/100km.
The only issue is our fuel costs is three times the States
Ouch 19 L/100km .............................. God bless the 2.0L turbo charged engines
Highway = ~7 L/100km thats while doing ~120km/h
Traffic = ~10-11L / 100km
Not bad for a car that can clock the 1/4m in mid 14s @ 160km/h (ok I know thats nothing compared to what you guys AMG badge owners can do)
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Average fuel consumption is 13+19=32/2=16 litre/100km
Above based on 50%/50% mixed driving conditions, thus, the C-class 62 litre fuel tank can do 400km. But when I do more city traffic drivings, 320km a tank is about right. And, 320km is about the average fuel consumption of most owners here.
Believe or not , doing real harsh on the fuel pedal is not as bad as start/stop at traffic lights.
12-28-2004, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by neoprufrok
We've discussed this before - the pics are really just a performance package - they are not the new C63.
I know that... I was making reference to that cheap touch of the performance pkg...
Eric..
12-29-2004, 12:06 AM
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Whoa, did someone wake up on the wrong side of bed this morning? No need to be THAT sarcastic. I'm sure you have your contacts and business as well...
have you anything to show?
I rest my case...
Back to the car mags good lad
12-29-2004, 06:42 AM
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have you anything to show?
I rest my case...
Back to the car mags good lad
Petty, childish, dumbfounded, pointless comments that nobody appreciates, posting in whatever thread you can find to apparently convey your authority and superiority. Its good we have mature elders like you Eric
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Originally Posted by cntlaw
Average fuel consumption is 13+19=32/2=16 litre/100km
Above based on 50%/50% mixed driving conditions, thus, the C-class 62 litre fuel tank can do 400km. But when I do more city traffic drivings, 320km a tank is about right. And, 320km is about the average fuel consumption of most owners here.
Believe or not , doing real harsh on the fuel pedal is not as bad as start/stop at traffic lights.
Above based on 50%/50% mixed driving conditions, thus, the C-class 62 litre fuel tank can do 400km. But when I do more city traffic drivings, 320km a tank is about right. And, 320km is about the average fuel consumption of most owners here.
Believe or not , doing real harsh on the fuel pedal is not as bad as start/stop at traffic lights.
One day hopefully :v
