Your Bully's gorgeous!

Some baby pix of Athena then some @ 1 1/2 yrs old

 

Few more...I've taught her all her basic commands in German! Her perfect coat makes Alacantera look/feel like Corduroy

Nobody messes w/BIG MAMMA

 

ricker,

WOW! Now that’s a dog!! Lola was a present for my girlfriend, hence the foo-foo she’s wearing in the picture. She’s a tremendous dog, but Athena is more along the lines of what I like in a dog. Sheer size!

TJMJR

 

do you have any pictures or updates yet??






_n.

 

+1. I never did see that AutoTrader ad.

 

How IS the Brabus 5.8?!

Does anyone know how the story turns out?

 

Alright, enough dog pictures....where are the car pics????!!!!!!

Can't wait to see them, congrats on the sale....had forgotten about this car since I first saw the original post in this thread. Glad it went to an owner on the board

 

My sincerest apologies gentleman. It appears that we did get a bit off topic. To bring you up to speed (no pun intended), I am pleased to announce that the BRABUS C5.8 has arrived safely courtesy of Reliable Carriers. The vehicle was shipped “enclosed” for good measure, and I was pleased to find it in the company of a 2005 Ferrari F360 Modena upon arrival. I tried my best to convince the driver to leave both but to no avail.

Following a few runs on Evosport’s Dynojet 248 prior to purchasing the vehicle, I was comfortable that the power would be there. But would it be enough? Keep in mind that I currently drive a 1998 C230 and have never been behind the wheel of C43 or anything with any real hp. In the end, the ASE Certified Inspector failed to define the vehicle’s potential in its entirety when he stated in his inspection that “This car is a rocket ship.”

Simply put, it’s truly a challenge to keep this vehicle from lurching forward while attempting to slowly accelerate from a dead stop. To add to it, while accelerating, I have yet to find a road long enough to reach a point where this vehicle will stop pulling and even allow me the chance to lean forward and change the track on the CD player or adjust the A/C. It’s as if the vehicle has a mind of its own. I’m starting to form the impression that the gentleman at BRABUS are complete lunatics and that this vehicle is possessed by evil spirits.

So I promptly did what any self righteous man in his right mind would do. I turned off the electronic stability program (ESP) dynamic handling control system and gently launched the car to try and cast out the demons inside, a makeshift exorcism if you will. I’m not exactly sure how to explain this , so bear with me, but once the tires final caught, the vehicle accelerated in a straight line, but was physically at an angle along the way. To top it off, the tires chirped while changing gears as if to laugh at me and my lame attempt to control the demonic forces. I’m not sure if this is normal behavior for a car with a little bit of horsepower, but I immediately drove the vehicle home, parked it in the garage and that is where it has remained. I am in no way a religious man, but I swear on the car itself that I had my girlfriend bless the beast with holy water.

Nevertheless, I’ll be the first to admit that this thread sucks without pics, so before I get banned from MBWorld for not providing them, I’ll do my best to pull the car out this weekend or next and snap a few shots. Perhaps we can capture the poltergeist on film. I appreciate your patience and I apologize for the delay, but I just returned from a much needed vacation and only just had a chance to reply to your comments.

More to come.

Thanks,

TJMJR

 

in the meantime, do you have the specs for it?what were your dyno results?

and is it possible to add a supercharger to this high-performance engine?






_n.

 

any pics? original pics are gone.

 

nikrox,

My understanding is the heart of the BRABUS C 5.8 is a 5.8 liter version of the eight-cylinder three-valve powerplant of the S 500, which has found a new home in the tight confines of the small engine bay of the W202 C-Class. The engine itself is built by BRABUS in Germany for export only and was manufactured to comply with California emission standards. As the engine was built for export outside of Germany, and as the BRABUS C 5.8 was never a BRABUS “production” vehicle, to my knowledge this is the only one of its kind with the States. After three months of searching, I did find a BRABUS C 5.8 in the U.K., but it was based on the S202 chassis and not a true comparable.

To increase its displacement BRABUS uses a custom block, a crankshaft with longer stroke and larger pistons. In addition, the cylinders are fine-machined and fitted with custom camshafts. Reprogrammed engine electronics also contribute to the impressive power output, and finally the top speed governor is deleted. BRABUS states the top speed to be 180 mph +/-.

Specifications:

Body: Basis Mercedes-Benz C-Class W 202 C43 AMG
Engine: BRABUS 5.8, Basis Mercedes M 113 V8
Displacement: 5727 cm³
Bore x Stroke: 99 x 93 mm
Power Output: 400 hp / 294 kW at 5,750 rpm
Max. Torque: 579 Nm at 3,000 - 4,250 rpm
Compression: 10.4 : 1
Powertrain: Five-speed automatic transmission, rear-wheel drive
Brakes: BRABUS high-performance brake system Version I: Including 2 six-piston-aluminum-fixed calipers front, 2 vented perforated front discs, steelflex brake hoses, brake pads, etc.
Wheels: BRABUS Monoblock IV: Three Piece 18” wheels Color matched to Brilliant Silver
Interior: BRABUS floor mats velour: Black, with BRABUS Logo

Simon at Evosport completed the baseline dyno, but unfortunately they were unable to shift the vehicle in 4th gear. He mentioned that this has happened before on a Mercedes with an automatic. I’ll quote Simon’s email verbatim, so as not to create any confusion:

“Car ran well but we couldn't get it out of 3rd gear on the dyno for some reason (this is NOT due to a mechanical problem with the car). It made good power, but it would have made another 15-20+ hp if we would have been able to get a 4th gear pass. The dyno will show a slightly modified C43 as well as a comparison.”

That being said the vehicle produced 324.48 rear wheel horsepower and 353.68 foot-pounds of torque in third gear. Applying Simon’s assumptions, you can derive the following calculations:

324.48 horsepower + 15 horsepower = 339.48 rear wheel horsepower
324.48 horsepower + 20 horsepower = 344.48 rear wheel horsepower

Simon applied a 17% drive train loss percentage, which would offer you the final results:

339.48 rear wheel horsepower = 409.012 brake horsepower
344.48 rear wheel horsepower = 415.0361 brake horsepower

The comparison C43 was owned by a gentleman on this forum who completed a cat delete modification to his otherwise stock C43.

I’ll post the dyno results because they were requested and for the purpose of sharing the information with everyone in order to build all of our knowledge regarding modified C43’s, but please keep the conversion constructive.

As to the question regarding the addition of a supercharger, I believe the answer is yes, assuming you can find the room. I believe there are a few examples of a BRABUS 5.8 with a Kleemann Supercharger, but not in a C-Class engine bay. Take a look at the picture of the engine bay and if you can find the room, and happen to have a Kleemann Supercharger on hand, I’d be willing to have it installed for the sake of research and development.

More pictures to come.

TJMJR

 

Well not to put sticks in anyone’s spokes, but to get the truest results on a Dyno the car must be run in a gear as close as can be to the ratio 1:1. thus the recommended run in 4th gear for most cars. In mercs 4th is a true 1:1.

Now if a run is made in 3rd gear that means its done in gear that has torque multiplication since the ratio would be more like 1.41:1 thus in this gear the engine torque is magnified by the gear ratio.

I know that a brabus 5.8 V8 makes close to 400 or maybe 400+ in the w203 even, i know it cause i have driven a merc here with this engine (S220) and it is fast. but i doubt that you can add 15% to your dyno figure to correct it for am sure had the car ran in 4th it would have at best given a similar reading if not less to what u had.

Any way dynos are to measure the diff of before and after and such cases, rather than to give an ultimate say in power output.

 

Well, that sure didn’t take long. I was going to expound on my disclaimer in my original post, but I didn’t want to come across as being pompous. I should have also asked for your cooperation in keeping the replies as accurate and unbiased as possible, at least when it comes to the specifications of this particular vehicle. If you feel that what I have posted is in any way inaccurate please contact me via PM so that I can update my original post and keep this thread concise and to the point. Now that jayrasheed has offered me a perfect example of what I was trying to avoid, please allow me the opportunity to explain.

I posted the specifications and dyno information against my better judgment. I did so at the request of nikrox.

I am not Mercedes-Benz or BRABUS technician or engineer. I am also not an expert in the applications of a dynamometer. The being said I am not in a position to defend the BRBAUS specifications or dyno results that I have shared with you. I am merely the owner of the vehicle and a member of MBWorld.org, and as such, I feel it is my duty to share with you the information that I have complied from sources that I believe to be reliable. I am simply conveying what I have learned.

As the BRABUS C 5.8 is, in my opinion and the opinion of BRABUS, a rare vehicle my hope is to compile information within this thread regarding this vehicle in a manner that is not only accurate, but also comprehensible to future readers. This thread may be the only source of information regarding this vehicle in existence, so I believe it’s important to create the thread in this manner. That being said, I would prefer to not get off topic disputing the information that I have shared (i.e. drive train loss, added hp for 4th gear) in order to avoid any confusion that it may cause. There are plenty of other threads available to discuss dyno assumptions and applications, so please refer to those discussions directly. Or, perhaps an even a better idea would be to contact the authorities on these matters directly.

If you would like to dispute the specifications or horsepower claims of the BRABUS 5.8L engine, please contact Claus Ettensberger of BRABUS USA in Irvine, CA or Bodo Buschmann of BRABUS in Bottrop, Germany. As the largest and likely the most highly respected tuning company of Mercedes in the world, with over 32 years experience, I’m sure that they have a team of technicians and engineers that would be willing to address any concerns that you may have.

If you would like to dispute the results, assumptions or calculations used with regard to the dyno provided, please contact MBWorld.org sponsor and co-owner of evosport, Simon Atik. As likely the most highly respected tuning company of European automobiles on this forum and likely within the States, with over 10 years experience, I’m sure that they have a team of technicians and engineers that would be willing to address any concerns that you may have.

If you would like to hear more regarding torque multiplication, please contact jayrasheed of Lebanon. Having driven in a BRABUS 5.8 S220 and over 35 posts on MBWorld.org, I’m sure he would be willing to share his knowledge and experience with you.

Now, as a last attempt to keep this thread on topic as accurate as possible, I will do my best to clarify the information that I have provided and correct the information provided by jayrasheed to the best of my ability to avoid any further confusion that it may cause. Please bear with me.

Jayrasheed,

I respect your opinion, but I’m a bit confused by your comments and it appears as if you may be a bit confused by mine. No one is adding 15% to correct for the fact that the vehicle did not make a dyno pass in 4th gear. Based on Simon’s assumptions, I have added both 15 hp and 20 hp to the actual dyno results that were achieved in 3rd gear to account for the assumed hp gain of 4th gear. Following this calculation, and based on Simon’s assumption of a 17% drive train loss, I then increased these calculations to reverse the assumed 17% drive train loss in order to determine an assumed brake horsepower that is necessary to compare the results to the 400 brake horsepower claim of BRABUS for the 5.8L engine. Hence the stated rear wheel horsepower to brake horsepower conversion in my original post. If you wish to dispute these assumptions, please contact evosport directly, as I am in no position to defend these assumptions on their behalf.

Thanks for your patience and understanding,

TJMJR

 

Just clean the car and post the pictures.

 

did Brabus also change the outside of the car or does it still have the AMG kit all around? just wondering.


btw, I drove a 2002 Brabus 5.8 CL before. the motor is smooth and sounds great.

 

Sincity,

It would be my pleasure. I intend on snapping a few this weekend. I appreciate the patience.

TJMJR

FrankW,

As of today, there have been no other modifications to the vehicle other than the following:

BRABUS 5.8L Engine
BRABUS high-performance brake system Version I: Including 2 six-piston-aluminium-fixed calipers front, 2 vented perforated front discs, steelflex brake hoses, brake pads, etc.
BRABUS Monoblock IV: Three Piece 18” wheels
BRABUS floor mats velour: Black, with BRABUS Logo
Replaced MB-star with BRABUS logo on bonnet
Replaced MB-star with BRABUS emblem for boot lid
Set of BRABUS logos (new design) for side of the car

The chrome plated BRABUS logo for boot lid is on hand but not yet installed. The W202 bumper was only available for pre-1998 W202’s. The picture that I posted of the engine really says it all, but I’ll snap a few others this weekend to appease the masses.

TJMJR

 

 

more pics! i wanna see the interior more than the engine. lol. how about that shift knob!

 

For more information on the 1998 BRABUS C5.8, including photos, please refer to the following thread:

1998 BRABUS C5.8

TJMJR

 

Damn your car is NASTY, Wow....very nice!