Beat the 335I by a nose
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let me just ask you: do you think you can beat a E46 M3 stock?
watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZGwpifULe4
and watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASoSgVCiwLo
ooh look...a C32 beat a M6 too... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLhaWyfQwM8
oh no, wait...don't need you to tell me you can't beat an E46 M3
here's a vid of one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJJIAxO2X4k the M is even a heavier vert.
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You better not. People here will laugh.
I thought only wifys could do these kinda things. I knew two ran flat tires for miles. One ran down hill in neutral to save gas. BTW. my wife crack one of my rim too. Lucky it was on my Subaru.
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If that was the guy "F1crazydriver or Enrique", he might teased you by let you gain and roll you back. His car has stock turbo+exh+tune and make 500hp. Go roll with him again. And ask for no teasing or easy. He will kill you instantly.
996T has very small lack if you keep rpm 3500+. If he is serious about you, he could do brake boost too. But I do not see why he would do that. His power/weight ratio is twice of yours.
On 335i, lag even way less. It is designed with higher compression ratio and small/lower inertia turbo. Against C43, after advantage in HP/weight, transmission is way newer, more efficient and crisp. All your MB friends are realistic, not ignorant. Go drive one and you will know.
-His car's still counted pretty stock in P turbo. I believed he drilled internal hole in stock muffler. Not gain much. And Flash. It is first early step.
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If that was the guy "F1crazydriver or Enrique", he might teased you by let you gain and roll you back. His car has stock turbo+exh+tune and make 500hp. Go roll with him again. And ask for no teasing or easy. He will kill you instantly.
996T has very small lack if you keep rpm 3500+. If he is serious about you, he could do brake boost too. But I do not see why he would do that. His power/weight ratio is twice of yours.
On 335i, lag even way less. It is designed with higher compression ratio and small/lower inertia turbo. Against C43, after advantage in HP/weight, transmission is way newer, more efficient and crisp. All your MB friends are realistic, not ignorant. Go drive one and you will know.
-His car's still counted pretty stock in P turbo. I believed he drilled internal hole in stock muffler. Not gain much. And Flash. It is first early step.
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until someone post a time slip of a stock C43 running 105mph+ in 1/4 miles on road tires. the FACT remains the same. one car traps 104-105mph through 1/4 miles and one car traps 99-100mph through 1/4 miles. you would know when you have a FAST car when you trap a ridiculous high speed through 1/4 miles. doesn't matter if you have a better launch or a bad one, the car that will trap higher speed = FASTER. why? because they have more power, more torque, and better power to weight ratio.
Don't argue with me that your car handles better considering that your rims broke and your rotors turned red from the canyons lol. You're going to somehow argue that the c43 has better suspension and a chassis too. I bet its superior to a clk63 black too.
I'm pretty much done trying to put some common sense into you but it still seems like you think you car is faster than pretty much everything south of a porsche turbo.
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OMG, thats 15mins of my life I'm never getting back, reading through this crap.
My $0.02
On the day I would not argue that a C43 could beat a 335. Its a street race and there are many variables involved.
Fact: With drivers of equal skill or even the same driver the 335 is faster than a C43 in everyway.
The new Nordschleife exluding GP track 20.6 kms:
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - Mercedes C63 AMG, 457 PS/1761 (sport auto, 02/09
8:22 --- 147.75 km/h - Mercedes-Benz C55 (sport auto07/2004)
8:22 --- 147.75 km/h - BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:26 --- 146.56 km/h - BMW 335i Coupe, 306 PS/1610 kg (sport auto 10/06)
8:37 --- 143.44 km/h - Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/01)
8:39 --- 142.89 km/h - BMW 135i Performance Package, 306 PS/1499 kg
8:50 --- 139.93 km/h - Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (sport auto ??/00)
8:51 --- 139.66 km/h - Mercedes Benz C43 AMG, 306 PS/1571 kg (sport auto 12/01)
Source: http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10073
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My $0.02
On the day I would not argue that a C43 could beat a 335. Its a street race and there are many variables involved.
Fact: With drivers of equal skill or even the same driver the 335 is faster than a C43 in everyway.
The new Nordschleife exluding GP track 20.6 kms:
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - Mercedes C63 AMG, 457 PS/1761 (sport auto, 02/09
8:22 --- 147.75 km/h - Mercedes-Benz C55 (sport auto07/2004)
8:22 --- 147.75 km/h - BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:26 --- 146.56 km/h - BMW 335i Coupe, 306 PS/1610 kg (sport auto 10/06)
8:37 --- 143.44 km/h - Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/01)
8:39 --- 142.89 km/h - BMW 135i Performance Package, 306 PS/1499 kg
8:50 --- 139.93 km/h - Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (sport auto ??/00)
8:51 --- 139.66 km/h - Mercedes Benz C43 AMG, 306 PS/1571 kg (sport auto 12/01)
Source: http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10073
John
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OMG, thats 15mins of my life I'm never getting back, reading through this crap.
My $0.02
On the day I would not argue that a C43 could beat a 335. Its a street race and there are many variables involved.
Fact: With drivers of equal skill or even the same driver the 335 is faster than a C43 in everyway.
The new Nordschleife exluding GP track 20.6 kms:
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - Mercedes C63 AMG, 457 PS/1761 (sport auto, 02/09
8:22 --- 147.75 km/h - Mercedes-Benz C55 (sport auto07/2004)
8:22 --- 147.75 km/h - BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:26 --- 146.56 km/h - BMW 335i Coupe, 306 PS/1610 kg (sport auto 10/06)
8:37 --- 143.44 km/h - Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/01)
8:39 --- 142.89 km/h - BMW 135i Performance Package, 306 PS/1499 kg
8:50 --- 139.93 km/h - Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (sport auto ??/00)
8:51 --- 139.66 km/h - Mercedes Benz C43 AMG, 306 PS/1571 kg (sport auto 12/01)
Source: http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10073
John
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My $0.02
On the day I would not argue that a C43 could beat a 335. Its a street race and there are many variables involved.
Fact: With drivers of equal skill or even the same driver the 335 is faster than a C43 in everyway.
The new Nordschleife exluding GP track 20.6 kms:
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - Mercedes C63 AMG, 457 PS/1761 (sport auto, 02/09
8:22 --- 147.75 km/h - Mercedes-Benz C55 (sport auto07/2004)
8:22 --- 147.75 km/h - BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:26 --- 146.56 km/h - BMW 335i Coupe, 306 PS/1610 kg (sport auto 10/06)
8:37 --- 143.44 km/h - Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/01)
8:39 --- 142.89 km/h - BMW 135i Performance Package, 306 PS/1499 kg
8:50 --- 139.93 km/h - Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (sport auto ??/00)
8:51 --- 139.66 km/h - Mercedes Benz C43 AMG, 306 PS/1571 kg (sport auto 12/01)
Source: http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10073
John
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Exactly. PJmak come talk to me when your car traps above 107mph. I might give you some credit then. That was with heavier, bigger wheels (I should tell you that bigger wheels are detrimental to straight line performance because larger wheels equal more rotating mass and are generally heavier. Also, thinner sidewalls common to larger wheels makes launching more difficult. I hope you learn this.).
Don't argue with me that your car handles better considering that your rims broke and your rotors turned red from the canyons lol. You're going to somehow argue that the c43 has better suspension and a chassis too. I bet its superior to a clk63 black too.
I'm pretty much done trying to put some common sense into you but it still seems like you think you car is faster than pretty much everything south of a porsche turbo.
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Don't argue with me that your car handles better considering that your rims broke and your rotors turned red from the canyons lol. You're going to somehow argue that the c43 has better suspension and a chassis too. I bet its superior to a clk63 black too.
I'm pretty much done trying to put some common sense into you but it still seems like you think you car is faster than pretty much everything south of a porsche turbo.
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I never argued that wtf why u starting things here??
Ok I might argue actually. C55 might handle better stock for stock but more is possible with a w202 chassis thanks to its double wishbone suspension which W203s unfortunately for you don't have. Your car is heavier as well so that right there alone is a minus when it comes to handling
So to sum it up, W202 chassis is a better platform for a track car. Just coz your car is newe doesnt mean its better. 190E laps both our cars
I never said my car is superior to anything, dont make up things to make me look bad, you are still acting really immature
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I never argued that wtf why u starting things here??
Ok I might argue actually. C55 might handle better stock for stock but more is possible with a w202 chassis thanks to its double wishbone suspension which W203s unfortunately for you don't have. Your car is heavier as well so that right there alone is a minus when it comes to handling
So to sum it up, W202 chassis is a better platform for a track car. Just coz your car is newe doesnt mean its better. 190E laps both our cars
I never said my car is superior to anything, dont make up things to make me look bad, you are still acting really immature
Ok I might argue actually. C55 might handle better stock for stock but more is possible with a w202 chassis thanks to its double wishbone suspension which W203s unfortunately for you don't have. Your car is heavier as well so that right there alone is a minus when it comes to handling
So to sum it up, W202 chassis is a better platform for a track car. Just coz your car is newe doesnt mean its better. 190E laps both our cars
I never said my car is superior to anything, dont make up things to make me look bad, you are still acting really immature
For some reason my W124 with its sport suspension and my own worked on camber/toe/castor setup has a much gripping front end, and the W124 has a stable rear at least less snappy than the crazy W202. To me the only thing missing in the W124 is a quicker steering ratio.
I don’t think the double wish bone setup in the W202 is an advantage over a well aligned Strut setup for road use. On a track I cant say for sure. But I know for a fact my W124 has no understeer to speak of.
Oh C32 / C55 is not more heavy than the W202. My C36 with me in it tips the scales at abt 1630kg.
The w202 has a snappy rear end that will catch the un suspecting driver if they r not super quick in their reactions. All in all it doesn’t inspire confidence when driven hard, that’s my 36 and every 36 I have driven. From experience I know the C43 is slightly better, with a more stable rear end (Ironic as it sounds, I think it’s the lighter shorter engine of the 43) and the steering has better weighting to it than the 36.
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I never argued that wtf why u starting things here??
Ok I might argue actually. C55 might handle better stock for stock but more is possible with a w202 chassis thanks to its double wishbone suspension which W203s unfortunately for you don't have. Your car is heavier as well so that right there alone is a minus when it comes to handling
So to sum it up, W202 chassis is a better platform for a track car. Just coz your car is newe doesnt mean its better. 190E laps both our cars
I never said my car is superior to anything, dont make up things to make me look bad, you are still acting really immature
Ok I might argue actually. C55 might handle better stock for stock but more is possible with a w202 chassis thanks to its double wishbone suspension which W203s unfortunately for you don't have. Your car is heavier as well so that right there alone is a minus when it comes to handling
So to sum it up, W202 chassis is a better platform for a track car. Just coz your car is newe doesnt mean its better. 190E laps both our cars
I never said my car is superior to anything, dont make up things to make me look bad, you are still acting really immature
8:22 --- 147.75 km/h - Mercedes-Benz C55 (sport auto07/2004)
8:22 --- 147.75 km/h - BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
for track, most people want steering feedback which the W202 has NONE. W203 ain't that great, but it is a lot better than the recirculating-ball used in the 202. There are camber bolts for those that want to setup their 203s for track. double-A is better because of it's natural camber gain when lowered and when it compresses through a corner, but a strut setup with adjustable camber reduce the advantage of the double-A. with that said, you wouldn't even buy these cars if you are turning it into making it a track car and with the NORMAL things you can do to either the 202 or 203 suspension the double-A vs strut argument is thrown out the window. and don't forget the W203 chassi is already 26% stiffer.
and I quote from autozine.org
The stiffest rival to BMW M3 has arrived. The previous C43 AMG and C55 AMG were never able to challenge the BMW, not because of power but because of incapable chassis. Think in this way: putting a big V8 into the nose of a baby Mercedes could hardly achieve the right balance. The lifeless recirculating-ball steering couldn’t help as well.
The new C32 AMG is another matter. Not only the new W203 chassis is dynamically outstanding, the smaller-and-lighter supercharged 3.2-litre V6 also provides abundance of power and torque without burdening the nose. Moreover, the new car looks really attractive to eyes.
The re-emergence of an AMG V8 C-class was triggered by Audi S4. Mercedes-AMG used to overwhelm its rivals by engine displacement and torque. In the previous generation C-class W202, AMG fitted it with a 4.3-litre V8 and eventually a 5.5-litre version. However, the unsophisticated chassis of the time failed to handle the extra burden at the nose thus it was never a real threat to BMW’s lighter and more agile M3. When Mercedes updated the whole C-class to W203 in 2000, AMG decided to fit it with a more compact supercharged 3.2 V6 (which became C32 AMG) in the view of sharing cost with SLK32 AMG, whose chassis could not accommodate a V8. However, since Audi introduced the V8-powered S4 last year, Mercedes-AMG found it has to strike back with an even bigger V8. This result in the comeback of C55 AMG.
The new C32 AMG is another matter. Not only the new W203 chassis is dynamically outstanding, the smaller-and-lighter supercharged 3.2-litre V6 also provides abundance of power and torque without burdening the nose. Moreover, the new car looks really attractive to eyes.
The re-emergence of an AMG V8 C-class was triggered by Audi S4. Mercedes-AMG used to overwhelm its rivals by engine displacement and torque. In the previous generation C-class W202, AMG fitted it with a 4.3-litre V8 and eventually a 5.5-litre version. However, the unsophisticated chassis of the time failed to handle the extra burden at the nose thus it was never a real threat to BMW’s lighter and more agile M3. When Mercedes updated the whole C-class to W203 in 2000, AMG decided to fit it with a more compact supercharged 3.2 V6 (which became C32 AMG) in the view of sharing cost with SLK32 AMG, whose chassis could not accommodate a V8. However, since Audi introduced the V8-powered S4 last year, Mercedes-AMG found it has to strike back with an even bigger V8. This result in the comeback of C55 AMG.
oh, and the E36, E46, and the E90/92/93 M3 never had double-A suspension and they still handled better than ALL of their MB/AMG competitor. only the E30 had a wishbone design.
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fun FACT...also from autozine.org
of course the C55 mentioned here is the W202 C55.
of course the C55 mentioned here is the W202 C55.
Undoubtedly, the 3-link strut front suspension and rack-and-pinion steering rack provides far better steering than the old C-class. Therefore AMG just modified the chassis with some usual techniques - drop ride height by 30 mm and stiffened suspensions, wider tyres, larger wheels, stronger brakes .... the result is 70 additional kilograms compare with C320. Strangely, Mercedes quoted a heavy 1635 kg according to EU new regulation for measuring kerb weight (two up, a full tank and some luggage) so that many journalists thought it is heavier than C55. In fact, the correct kerb weight is likely to be 1560 kg, which is around 40 kg lighter than C55.
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The Problem with the W202 is not that you cant adj Camber, but rather it is that you cant ADJ Caster, and thats where the W124 setup wins (cant say for the W203, havent worked on one)
My W124 has 11deg of Caster VS 4 or 5 in the 202, more caster means more negative camber when steering, translates to almost no understeer and gr8 liftoff line tightning.
My W124 has 11deg of Caster VS 4 or 5 in the 202, more caster means more negative camber when steering, translates to almost no understeer and gr8 liftoff line tightning.
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The Problem with the W202 is not that you cant adj Camber, but rather it is that you cant ADJ Caster, and thats where the W124 setup wins (cant say for the W203, havent worked on one)
My W124 has 11deg of Caster VS 4 or 5 in the 202, more caster means more negative camber when steering, translates to almost no understeer and gr8 liftoff line tightning.
My W124 has 11deg of Caster VS 4 or 5 in the 202, more caster means more negative camber when steering, translates to almost no understeer and gr8 liftoff line tightning.
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id rather have a c32 over a c43 anyday. id rather have a c32 over a 335i since evryone and there mother has one.
Id rather a c55 than a c32.
Id rather an s550 over them all.
who cares whos faster above 100 mph.
If you like your car, thats great. who gives a crap whos faster. but when you wanna talk about which car is faster than which, theres plenty of factual proof all over.
whats the fastest recorded time and highest trap speed of a stock c43?
id rather have a c32 over a c43 anyday. id rather have a c32 over a 335i since evryone and there mother has one.
Id rather a c55 than a c32.
Id rather an s550 over them all.
who cares whos faster above 100 mph.
If you like your car, thats great. who gives a crap whos faster. but when you wanna talk about which car is faster than which, theres plenty of factual proof all over.
whats the fastest recorded time and highest trap speed of a stock c43?
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Wow we have really taken this all around the world haven't we???? We went from beating the 335I by a nose to C43's racing EVO's to carving canyons and cracking rims to C43 has a better interior than a C32 to the suspension comparisons of W202 vs W203 to the C43 looking dated. Seems everyone here is a THREAD JACKER
Can we end this one yet?????
I still can't believe what I spawned from a simple little post. 1600+ views and 115+ posts...... UNREAL. Start a new thread if you want to argue.
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Uh. You missed one... Rolled dead even with 996turbo for few seconds.
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Wow we have really taken this all around the world haven't we???? We went from beating the 335I by a nose to C43's racing EVO's to carving canyons and cracking rims to C43 has a better interior than a C32 to the suspension comparisons of W202 vs W203 to the C43 looking dated. Seems everyone here is a THREAD JACKER
Can we end this one yet?????
I still can't believe what I spawned from a simple little post. 1600+ views and 115+ posts...... UNREAL. Start a new thread if you want to argue.
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Lol nurburgring times......those times mean nothing in our case. Why??
Because its a 13 mile fast paced track, if you have two similar cars and one has 40-50 more hp\tq. Over those 13 miles you will gain a lot of time. It only showes the c55 is a faster car, it doesn't show it has a suspension setup that is better. Like I said it might be a bit better stock for stock but there is a reason why double wishbone is used in F1. I wanna see those two go o na shorter track like laguna seca or something similar. I bet you the c55 will not be faster by more then 5 seconds
The only reason why I brought up my cracked rim and brakes overheating is because the guy was trying to tell me I know nothing about road racing. I put 17k miles on my car in 6 months lol running canyons and what not up until 5 in the AM
I bet none of you guys have even went close to the limit of your car and dont tell me I cant drive just coz I cracked my wheel. It happens to the best of us
to RLx02: Dude you are laughing when I try to tell you something and you call me immature?? I think you are the one who praises his car. You dont seem to have respect for older cars
And I dont have to be told that BMWs handle better then most benzes. They do coz they are balanced better, its a 50\50 weight distribution. My friends 1980s 944 turbo on blown suspension will handle better then any benz coz its a perfectly balanced car
Because its a 13 mile fast paced track, if you have two similar cars and one has 40-50 more hp\tq. Over those 13 miles you will gain a lot of time. It only showes the c55 is a faster car, it doesn't show it has a suspension setup that is better. Like I said it might be a bit better stock for stock but there is a reason why double wishbone is used in F1. I wanna see those two go o na shorter track like laguna seca or something similar. I bet you the c55 will not be faster by more then 5 seconds
The only reason why I brought up my cracked rim and brakes overheating is because the guy was trying to tell me I know nothing about road racing. I put 17k miles on my car in 6 months lol running canyons and what not up until 5 in the AM
I bet none of you guys have even went close to the limit of your car and dont tell me I cant drive just coz I cracked my wheel. It happens to the best of us
to RLx02: Dude you are laughing when I try to tell you something and you call me immature?? I think you are the one who praises his car. You dont seem to have respect for older cars
And I dont have to be told that BMWs handle better then most benzes. They do coz they are balanced better, its a 50\50 weight distribution. My friends 1980s 944 turbo on blown suspension will handle better then any benz coz its a perfectly balanced car
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My stock C43 SMOKED an ENZO off the line for 1 millisecond, but this was when my C43 was in limp home mode so I would of PEELED ITS PAINT for 2 milliseconds if I was running on all cylinders..... Did I mention that I CRUSHED a VEYRON but it was only cause we were at 130 MPH roll in and my C43 is such a beast. I also happened to smoke an R1 in the twisties due to my superior suspension. Let me tell you about the time that I CRUSHED an E46 M3 in the 1/4 mile and I would of smoked him even harder BUT I had a cracked rim......
Here is some more BS for you guys to argue about
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So Sorry. I did not mean to interrupt your Day Dream. I am here in MB cause I am following incentive of C63 or E63 deal that some nice members here sharing. But too bad my eyes spot on this st_pid clown posting.
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My stock C43 SMOKED an ENZO off the line for 1 millisecond, but this was when my C43 was in limp home mode so I would of PEELED ITS PAINT for 2 milliseconds if I was running on all cylinders..... Did I mention that I CRUSHED a VEYRON but it was only cause we were at 130 MPH roll in and my C43 is such a beast. I also happened to smoke an R1 in the twisties due to my superior suspension. Let me tell you about the time that I CRUSHED an E46 M3 in the 1/4 mile and I would of smoked him even harder BUT I had a cracked rim......
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I can see you smoking an enzo but a veyron.........damn you got a 5.4L swap or what?