C36 AMG, C43 AMG (W202) 1995 - 2000

Why the C43 under performs for its stock output???

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Old 12-20-2010, 01:05 PM
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An auto E36BMW US spec cannot be faster than any W202 AMG, the later US spec 3.2l manual E36 should be faster just a bit. A Euro spec E36 BMW M3 3.0 or the 3.2 is faster by a good deal too.
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W203 C55 and SAAB 9-3 2.0T
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Are you not happy with the C43's performance? I couldn't be happier with my C36 (other than for crappy gas mileage)! I recently yanked a hopped-up S2000 from a dig all the way to at least 80 mph (don't get all worked up now Saab! ). Similar results with an E39 540i (but much closer) and an older 400E(!).
Fixed!

I use to own a w124 400E and man that was a great car, not very fast at all stock but you drop a new rear diff in that puppy and it will run neck and neck with a stock 500E. This car is a great example of what just a new rear diff can do to a car and its an MB...

Where can we find one for the C43!?
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anyone on this forum with an IQ over 100 can start making these sob LSD's!
anyone skilled to make protoypes like Black Moon?
I bet Tommy Lee would try to ****** that prototype and sell it to highest bidder!
Old 12-21-2010, 01:24 AM
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I don't understand what your saying here. ^^^
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I don't understand what your saying here. ^^^
Don't worry, you are not the only one Kowalski does have a special style from time to time
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what aj meant to say is, get some approved parts from otha MB's possibly w201 190's being mentioned previously, take certain parts that majt fit, make your own prototype, this infoe goes for a mekanikly trained person only.
if the prototype turns out to vork after long pozitiv period of testing, make some samples start selling those suckaz.
how hard can it be?
dude first needs to know what he's doin' when makin' dose parts, uthawais he'll upset alota fjutua custumas
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Moon_Rising

Must be that I watched the same, sappy action flicks from the '80s as Kowalski.... I knew what he was talking about almost right away! And he used to have quotes from the Arnie movie 'Commando' in his sig too...
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Oh wow. I'm so back on the same page now. Man I was really lost there for a bit.
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Below is a pic of the black moon

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Originally Posted by 503C43 ////AMG
Below is a pic of the black moon

for you guys not being that old, this one came very looooooooooooooooooooong time ago!
this is a fantastic John Carpenter movie

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what you can do is contact wavetrac in cali. talk to dana and try to persuade them to build a lsd if you get a minimum of 20 deposits. then start a buy. we did this on the xfire forum and almost a yr later we have a prototype being built and production units are scheduled for early jan . cost was 550$ deposit up front then 550$ paid before the unit is shipped.
pain in the butt cept theres 22 of us that will be doing massive burnouts with a torque biasing limited slip!!
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Very difficult to change the rear end ratio with the stock Transmission Control Unit. You would have to find someone who could handle that aspect of it.
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Hmm then how does the E55 tranny bolt up to our cars fine? The E55 and the C43 must have different rear ends, right? Also, the w124 guys swap out the rear diff yo different ratio and they run just fine. Maybe I am missing something here?
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An E55 TCU is not the same as a C43 TCU. I'm not sure on the W124, but I am willing to bet the C43 is much more complicated electronically with ESP and what not. I changed my rear tires from 245/40 to 245/45 and my cruise control stopped working. These cars are finnicky about that stuff. If you search for Money One's thread on putting the 190E LSD in his car, there was quite a bit of custom work including getting it to be the same ratio as the stock rear end.

Your better bet and part of my eventual plan is the guys who got their experience on Chargers, Challengers, 300Cs, and Magnums in the tranny department and can do our trannies as well. Isn't cheap at around $4.5k, but they can make the shifts as solid as you can stand and put it in a high stall torque converter.
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W203 C55 and SAAB 9-3 2.0T
1. 300CE diff. housing W124 with ring and pinion (It had the 3.07, the stock diff. from the C43 had nothing that would fit in the smaller diff
2. 190e 16v LSD internals and axle flanges
3. Slk 320 (170) yoke and rear cover
4. C280 w202 (2000) rear driveshaft and flex disc

Anyone, anyone?
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Its possible. Edited this comment because I didnt realize what ate the rear end was the 55k motor.

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Originally Posted by austinholloman
I can't believe how impossible this really is. Yikes.

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Guess as soon as you have electronics controlling things, then it starts getting complicated and difficult. I prefer keeping things simple, but today that seems becoming impossible. Soon you'll be needing a PhD in electronics each time you open the hood
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IIRC money-ones rear diff isn't exactly what the stock ratio is, I think he has like 3.06 or something like that. He said that it affects the shifting a little bit, like you expect it to shift and it doesn't and just as soon as your are questioning why it isn't shifting, it shifts. I could be wrong but I am pretty sure this is what he has posted in the past.

I posted a while ago about a company called drexler that I contacted. They will make a CUSTOM LSD for your C43 that will maintain the stock ratio. NOT CHEAP THOUGH, around $2000.

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Ok so the reason his LSD failed was because he dropped in a M113 55k motor and it ate the rear end. This setup DOES work fine with out stock tranny and TCU. Only problem is sourcing a 190e 16v LSD internals to put inside the w124 pumpkin. And the stock ratio is retained at 3.07.
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Originally Posted by ProjectC55
My w202 puts the power down to the ground quite well.
at 35 mph you punch it and the a$$ end breaks loose and lights on your dashboard resemble a slot machine in AC. The rest of us should be so lucky.
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Sounds like bliss to me ^^^
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Originally Posted by austinholloman
Ok so the reason his LSD failed was because he dropped in a M113 55k motor and it ate the rear end. This setup DOES work fine with out stock tranny and TCU. Only problem is sourcing a 190e 16v LSD internals to put inside the w124 pumpkin. And the stock ratio is retained at 3.07.
I believe the ratio is changed to 3.06. Money one posted this a while ago and mentioned that the way it shifted was different due to the ratio change.
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I think he was referring to his subsequent swap of a CLK55 spec'd Quaife LSD that went to 3.06. That minor difference in ratio led to the slight delay in take off.
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is the general consensus here that this would work with $800-2000 and a wish that there was only a 202 AMG without esp.....
Or would the ASR interfere just as much as the esp?
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I believe the ratio is changed to 3.06. Money one posted this a while ago and mentioned that the way it shifted was different due to the ratio change.
Nope, the one he made was stock 3.07 from an early 300ce and I'm not sure about what he's running now. The 3.07 is the ONLY diff we can use because you can't mod our TCU. If you go with a even slight different size you will loose abs and esp and might not be able to shift out of first.


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