C36 AMG, C43 AMG (W202) 1995 - 2000

C43 low on power, poor cold start, off-idle hessitation

Old 03-22-2018, 06:24 AM
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W202 C43 1999
Originally Posted by kowalski
if your car drives slow like grandpa using a walker?
it could be clogged injectors not giving enuff fuel?
have you tried with a bottle of which brew Motul cleaner poured in your tank when you're low on fuel below 30 litres?
low on fuel gives you a higher cleaning concentrate.

maybe you have a vacuum leak somewhere giving you issues?
ive had the injectors and fuel system cleaned yeah, and i only ever use BP 98 octane fuel which has cleaners in it.

it has been checked for vacuum leaks and none were found, but im putting in a brand new OEM intake manifold and two new Bosch knock sensors. The actuator on the manifold is working, but i dont know if the flaps are.
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Ok just to let you guys know.

Before giving other people advice online on what to put through their car engines, please make sure you did your research and that youve done it your self.


Just coz you read somewhere that it works, doesnt mean its safe.

Ive talked to certified mercedes techs and they dont recommend running any of that stuff through your engine.
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Originally Posted by PJmak
Ok just to let you guys know.

Before giving other people advice online on what to put through their car engines, please make sure you did your research and that youve done it your self.


Just coz you read somewhere that it works, doesnt mean its safe.

Ive talked to certified mercedes techs and they dont recommend running any of that stuff through your engine.
I know that too, i dont use additives myself.
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Ok, the issue remains.

New intake manifold made little to no difference, knock sensors were both replaced at this time.

I recently replaced the spark plugs, 14 of them were fine, but the 2 plugs in cyl 7 were quite worn, the center electrode was worn away badly.

What would cause this?

There is minor smoke from the exhaust at wide open throttle, but i cant tell the colour. This could be oil, but the plugs did not show signs of burning excess oil.

Replacing the plugs made very little difference.

There is no water in the oil.

Oil is Mobil 1 0w40 at the moment.

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Originally Posted by W202AMG
Ok, the issue remains.

New intake manifold made little to no difference, knock sensors were both replaced at this time.

I recently replaced the spark plugs, 14 of them were fine, but the 2 plugs in cyl 7 were quite worn, the center electrode was worn away badly.

What would cause this?

There is minor smoke from the exhaust at wide open throttle, but i cant tell the colour. This could be oil, but the plugs did not show signs of burning excess oil.

Replacing the plugs made very little difference.

There is no water in the oil.

Oil is Mobil 1 0w40 at the moment.

wow, so many parts replaced chasing this problem. Not that this would apply to you but there was a time where i would hit the gas and the engine would not accelerate like it should. I went through changing so many fuel/air parts only to find the potentiometer that was connected to gas pedal was loose! I cant wait to see what your actual problem was
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Any codes..?!?

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wow, so many parts replaced chasing this problem. Not that this would apply to you but there was a time where i would hit the gas and the engine would not accelerate like it should. I went through changing so many fuel/air parts only to find the potentiometer that was connected to gas pedal was loose! I cant wait to see what your actual problem was
No i replaced a lot of those parts because they were old and past due for replacement. Not much has been thrown at this problem that was not likely to be getting beyond service life.

The throttle potentiometer was replaced a couple years ago and that made a BIG difference at the time, the previous one was original and when i tested it in my E55 it was sluggish in there too.
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Any codes..?!?

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no idea, there is no way for me to tell.

is there a way to relearn the throttle body?
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What throttle potentiometer..!?!, do you mean TB sensor (black one front of brake booster)..?,,

you can relearn the TB by, switch on the key (position 2) without starting, keep the key (position 2), go and be closer the TB, till you hear TB clicking,

then switch the key off, for 10 seconds, TB should be relearned,,

no need to waste more time & $$$, try to diagnose the car, codes will narrow the issue..!

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What throttle potentiometer..!?!, do you mean TB sensor (black one front of brake booster)..?,,

you can relearn the TB by switch on the key (position 2) without starting, keep the key (position 2), go and be closer the TB, till you hear TB clicking,

then switch the key off, for 10 seconds, TB should be relearned,,

no need to waste more time & $$$, try to diagnose the car, codes will narrow the issue..!

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Originally Posted by cm60k
What throttle potentiometer..!?!, do you mean TB sensor (black one front of brake booster)..?,,

you can relearn the TB by switch on the key (position 2) without starting, keep the key (position 2), go and be closer the TB, till you hear TB clicking,

then switch the key off, for 10 seconds, TB should be relearned,,

no need to waste more time & $$$, try to diagnose the car, codes will narrow the issue..!

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the throttle position sensor is inside the metal cover on the side of the throttle body and cant be replaced.

The pedal position sensor is what i am refering to, and is mounted on the left side infront of the ECU, on the E55 it is on the right side infront of the brake booster.

i will try what you said about throttle learn. Thanks
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TB sensor always located at the driver side, front of brake booster, on "W140/W202/W208/W210/R170/R129",,

unless if you have RHD..!!

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I've had to replace my Accelerator Pedal Sensor (took 10 minutes), and 1 coil so far on my C43. The Pedal sensor cost me 120 bucks from FCP Euro, and the part arrived with a logo etched off. The MB part is like 700 dollars, and the FCP Euro part number pulls up as Hella on other sites. I ended up pulling a few coils from the junk yard and solved my misfire in Cylinder 4. I had a super rough idle and the car would begin to sputter between 500-1500 RPM when in reverse before swapping the coil. It took the car a few cycles to reveal a cylinder misfire. Seriously no codes? Has the car been scanned at an independent shop or dealer yet?
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W202 C43 1999
Originally Posted by cm60k
TB sensor always located at the driver side, front of brake booster, on "W140/W202/W208/W210/R170/R129",,

unless if you have RHD..!!

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that is the passenger side on my RHD car, the brake booster is on the other side.

On the E55 it is located on the right side.
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I've had to replace my Accelerator Pedal Sensor (took 10 minutes), and 1 coil so far on my C43. The Pedal sensor cost me 120 bucks from FCP Euro, and the part arrived with a logo etched off. The MB part is like 700 dollars, and the FCP Euro part number pulls up as Hella on other sites. I ended up pulling a few coils from the junk yard and solved my misfire in Cylinder 4. I had a super rough idle and the car would begin to sputter between 500-1500 RPM when in reverse before swapping the coil. It took the car a few cycles to reveal a cylinder misfire. Seriously no codes? Has the car been scanned at an independent shop or dealer yet?
yeah been scanned, but never any codes.
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Are you sure about that..?!,

as i know; even with E55, this sensor always in driver side, ..!?!

it should be on passenger (LEFT) side with RHD only, isn't..?!!?

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Originally Posted by cm60k
Are you sure about that..?!,

as i know; even with E55, this sensor always in driver side, ..!?!

it should be on passenger (LEFT) side with RHD only, isn't..?!!?

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on a W210 it was most certainly mounted on the right side, and all the ones ive seen here were on that side.

The C43 i have here is exactly where it is in your photo, and ive not seen one with it mounted anywhere else.

There is no question it is on the passenger side on an RHD C43, the duo valve is on the opposite side is the same place.
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Ahh, i see, Thanks..

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Ahh, i see, Thanks..

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no worries, i think youll find its in the same place regardless of whether the car is right or left hand drive, unless they swap sides on the W210.
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Hope no vacuum leaks, or more air in fuel system..!,,

do you know if fuel filter is good, or not clogged, this could interrupted the FPR..!,,

did you check all these..?!?

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Originally Posted by cm60k
Hope no vacuum leaks, or more air in fuel system..!,,

do you know if fuel filter is good, or not clogged, this could interrupted the FPR..!,,

did you check all these..?!?

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yep, filter is 3 months old and MANN brand, pump is 12 months old and genuine pierburg, injectors were all replaced and tested.
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Originally Posted by cm60k
Hope no vacuum leaks, or more air in fuel system..!,,

do you know if fuel filter is good, or not clogged, this could interrupted the FPR..!,,

did you check all these..?!?

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funny thing is, if i take off fast and the traction control cuts power, when the power comes back on it is HUGE and the car takes off like a shot, but that is straight after traction control intervention.

Id imagine it works simular to GM traction control on the Delphi PCM the Corvettes had where there is spark retarding and throttle plate closure to reduce power, so obviously when the power is let back on it comes in very hard and the way i reckon it should be at all times when you floor it.

Sometimes its like when you floor it its more like 70% throttle, but after traction control has cut in its like full instant 100%.
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I had bad hesitation about year ago, replaced everything, no check engine light, no codes,

after about two weeks, i discovered that fuel cap seal was sooooo bad, that builds much air in whole fuel system, and purge valve & vent valve were badly clogged,

replaced "fuel cap/tank vent valve/purge valve", hesitation went away, everything settled,,

can't assure you have the same issue, but have to share this, it may helps..

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I had bad hesitation about year ago, replaced everything, no check engine light, no codes,

after about two weeks, i discovered that fuel cap seal was sooooo bad, that builds much air in whole fuel system, and purge valve & vent valve were badly clogged,

replaced "fuel cap/tank vent valve/purge valve", hesitation went away, everything settled,,

can't assure you have the same issue, but have to share this, it may helps..

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did you get a big hiss opening the fuel tank? I never do on this car, did on my E55 though.
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