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Old Aug 9, 2019 | 09:01 AM
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it's 100% the shocks - you're just wrong. The bounce is a characteristic of the tuning of the shocks and the technology behind them. Magnetic ride control seen in GM products is a much more suitable solution for varying comfort levels in an adjustable shock.

You just got your springs installed and you probably want to think the world of the - new springs can help - but you're probably mostly feeling placebo effect.

I am not new to this product I have had them on my TTS, S3, TRS and now my AMG It's funny you should mention Magnetic Ride because the Audi the Mag Ride is made by a company called BWI and they have endorsed the MSS product with their mage ride system because of the results. Look don't take my word for it do your own groundwork to find out for your self...but what I would say having had the product on my car for a few months now is that if you are in the UK and around the London location I am happy to put £100 on the table that my car drives better on the same road as the OEM setup with my OME stocks.

I am really going to try and find the red with the res C43 because he had both the KW's and the MSS and he will be in a better position to tell his side...but you have to be happy with your choice so if you feel you need a full change (stocks and springs) then you have to do what you have to do.

Once you get the KW's Let me know after a few months how its working out for you please
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Old Aug 9, 2019 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by alexasa
The only difference I can even see in the MSS set-up is the more robust helper spring in the front (which I don't believe is where the primary problem - the rear is worse).
That's not correct the rear has two springs, not the front, but you are correct with where the problem is because on most cars it's the rear where you have to really get right...do your groundwork before you buy any of the solutions but happy to give you a test run if your in the UK.

Anyways I wish you all the best in getting the right setup for you these cars are not cheap so we need to get the right product to enjoy it
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Old Aug 9, 2019 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by C39KER
That's not correct the rear has two springs, not the front, but you are correct with where the problem is because on most cars it's the rear where you have to really get right...do your groundwork before you buy any of the solutions but happy to give you a test run if your in the UK.

Anyways I wish you all the best in getting the right setup for you these cars are not cheap so we need to get the right product to enjoy it
After reading that MSS information, it is indeed an interesting product in theory, but isn’t that the same as what progressive springs try to achieve?

I am open trying new products and find the best one for my preferences. For example, I just installed the MST intake but I have also bought the BMS intake so that I can compare.

i don’t think you can compare the MSS to the KW V3. They are different animals altogether. Perhaps you could compare the MSS to the KW HAS. That would be a better comparison. The V3 is great in any and all the applications I’ve used them on, maybe 10 different cars in total and it suits me. There are a lot of people who do not know how to tune them, and some don’t even install them properly especially in the rear. They also last very very long. I prefer a one-mode suspension, so disabling the selectable damping in the C43 is something I am actually looking forward to.
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Old Aug 9, 2019 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by C39KER
I am not new to this product I have had them on my TTS, S3, TRS and now my AMG It's funny you should mention Magnetic Ride because the Audi the Mag Ride is made by a company called BWI and they have endorsed the MSS product with their mage ride system because of the results. Look don't take my word for it do your own groundwork to find out for your self...but what I would say having had the product on my car for a few months now is that if you are in the UK and around the London location I am happy to put £100 on the table that my car drives better on the same road as the OEM setup with my OME stocks.

I am really going to try and find the red with the res C43 because he had both the KW's and the MSS and he will be in a better position to tell his side...but you have to be happy with your choice so if you feel you need a full change (stocks and springs) then you have to do what you have to do.

Once you get the KW's Let me know after a few months how its working out for you please
The MSS seem to be on back order at the moment. Not available.
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Old Aug 9, 2019 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by C39KER
That's not correct the rear has two springs, not the front, but you are correct with where the problem is because on most cars it's the rear where you have to really get right...do your groundwork before you buy any of the solutions but happy to give you a test run if your in the UK.

Anyways I wish you all the best in getting the right setup for you these cars are not cheap so we need to get the right product to enjoy it
Originally Posted by C39KER
I am not new to this product I have had them on my TTS, S3, TRS and now my AMG It's funny you should mention Magnetic Ride because the Audi the Mag Ride is made by a company called BWI and they have endorsed the MSS product with their mage ride system because of the results. Look don't take my word for it do your own groundwork to find out for your self...but what I would say having had the product on my car for a few months now is that if you are in the UK and around the London location I am happy to put £100 on the table that my car drives better on the same road as the OEM setup with my OME stocks.

I am really going to try and find the red with the res C43 because he had both the KW's and the MSS and he will be in a better position to tell his side...but you have to be happy with your choice so if you feel you need a full change (stocks and springs) then you have to do what you have to do.

Once you get the KW's Let me know after a few months how its working out for you please
i have the HAS on my car - the car handles significantly better but primary because of its lower center of gravity. The ride characteristics are only altered slightly with the same glaring issues still present when diving deeper into ride quality.

i primarily went with this option because of the availability and benefits i saw over the the H&R set-up - which seemed to require the ride height very low in the rear at it's maximum height.
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Old Aug 9, 2019 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by alexasa
i have the HAS on my car - the car handles significantly better but primary because of its lower center of gravity. The ride characteristics are only altered slightly with the same glaring issues still present when diving deeper into ride quality.

i primarily went with this option because of the availability and benefits i saw over the the H&R set-up - which seemed to require the ride height very low in the rear at it's maximum height.
For the benefit of discussion, does anyone know the lowering range for the MSS spring set?

Their website doesn’t even say.
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Old Aug 9, 2019 | 07:13 PM
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For the benefit of discussion, does anyone know the lowering range for the MSS spring set?

Their website doesn’t even say.
30mm approx maybe lower
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Old Aug 9, 2019 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by C39KER
30mm approx maybe lower
Most of us who buy adjustable height spring kits would like to know the range, like 5 to 30mm or something along those lines, not a single figure, otherwise not much point. KW and H&R both provide a range spec.

Likewise, for myself, I might want to drop only 10mm. Then KW might be the only product that cold suit my needs.
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Old Aug 9, 2019 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TModelle
Most of us who buy adjustable height spring kits would like to know the range, like 5 to 30mm or something along those lines, not a single figure, otherwise not much point. KW and H&R both provide a range spec.

Likewise, for myself, I might want to drop only 10mm. Then KW might be the only product that cold suit my needs.
It's from stock height
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Old Aug 9, 2019 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by C39KER
It's from stock height
So 0-30mm?
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KWs require quite a lot of adjustments to get it to ride and perform to your own preference. Height, Bound and Rebound, and then when you are done, an alignment. Then, after all that, a final fine tuning. Be prepared to adjust at least three times. Best to get a shop familiar with setting up V3’s and have enough patience with the process. Be prepared to pay a premium for the service.
Perfect. Thank you. That's precisely what I was curious about - how much adjustment is required after installation.
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