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Ginco Jun 5, 2023 02:56 AM

5 minute cooling mod (Always on IC pump)
 
Discovered this quick and easy cooling mod after doing a bit of research into the pump the car is equipped with. Turns out that you only need to disconnect the PWM signal to the pump in order to switch it to a max power / always on mode. Common mod on any air to water intercooler equipped cars, so I was surprised that nobody has discovered it. Goes to show the sad state of M276 modding I guess, wish we got more "easy" mods for these cars like my C32 and CL55, which had tons of easy mods to make the cars better. Anyways, I did notice that the temps recover much quicker with the mod and IAT's sit a bit lower than before, also might help a bit with temp recovery after a race or sitting in staging lanes. Not going to make a massive difference but it is noticeable for me and your car will be happier with it.

Posted the video below but really all you need to do is "disconnect" the black and yellow wire going to your intercooler pump, which is behind the passenger side bumper grill accessible from underneath after removing the skid trays. You can make a simple harness using connectors if you want to go back to factory whenever you want, and you could make it even better and put a switch between the black wires to go back to OEM whenever you flip the switch but I decided not to as I want the cooling at all times and the pumps are cheap so I don't care about longevity. This sets the pump to an on/off mode, and the car already supplies switched 12v power to the pump with the key in accessory so the pump will turn on and run at full power. Have not thrown any codes for a week and 600 miles of driving (and a few races in Mexico). Video has more info.


MaverickC43 Jun 5, 2023 06:16 AM

Interesting
I like free 👍🏼👍🏼

Ginco Jun 5, 2023 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by MaverickC43 (Post 8791041)
Interesting
I like free 👍🏼👍🏼

Same. That’s why I was a bit surprised nobody discovered this in the 10+ years of these motors being out lol.

MatthewJ Jun 5, 2023 08:32 AM

Curious how long the pump lasts like that. Would be nice to have an in car switch for this. Id guess they went with pulse width to extend pump life and to help with noise at idle/ acc on.
Would also be curious what the signal looks like during normal driving. Id assume its modulated based on IAT and load.

W205C43PFL Jun 5, 2023 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by Ginco (Post 8790992)
Discovered this quick and easy cooling mod after doing a bit of research into the pump the car is equipped with. Turns out that you only need to disconnect the PWM signal to the pump in order to switch it to a max power / always on mode. Common mod on any air to water intercooler equipped cars, so I was surprised that nobody has discovered it. Goes to show the sad state of M276 modding I guess, wish we got more "easy" mods for these cars like my C32 and CL55, which had tons of easy mods to make the cars better. Anyways, I did notice that the temps recover much quicker with the mod and IAT's sit a bit lower than before, also might help a bit with temp recovery after a race or sitting in staging lanes. Not going to make a massive difference but it is noticeable for me and your car will be happier with it.

Posted the video below but really all you need to do is "disconnect" the black and yellow wire going to your intercooler pump, which is behind the passenger side bumper grill accessible from underneath after removing the skid trays. You can make a simple harness using connectors if you want to go back to factory whenever you want, and you could make it even better and put a switch between the black wires to go back to OEM whenever you flip the switch but I decided not to as I want the cooling at all times and the pumps are cheap so I don't care about longevity. This sets the pump to an on/off mode, and the car already supplies switched 12v power to the pump with the key in accessory so the pump will turn on and run at full power. Have not thrown any codes for a week and 600 miles of driving (and a few races in Mexico). Video has more info.

https://youtu.be/wy0VuvUHSsI

Great video thanks OP.

Adam Chambers Jun 5, 2023 01:31 PM

After seeing this today I wanted to check it out. Found the pump by removing 3 plastic rivets from the wheel well. I could not get the plug off and didnt want to cut the wire without an easy way to reconnect it should I need to. I followed the wires and found they come up and into the battery compartment. Remove the cover and its the bundle of wire closest to the motor. Strip back the tape, cut and insulate the black/yellow wire, retape the bundle. There is only one Black/Yellow wire in there. I cut that one and then turned the ignition on and the pump went full speed and works as shown above.

Thanks OP for the video!


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...4f9537898a.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...8c95bbbc82.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c502578964.jpg

W205C43PFL Jun 5, 2023 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by Adam Chambers (Post 8791279)
After seeing this today I wanted to check it out. Found the pump by removing 3 plastic rivets from the wheel well. I could not get the plug off and didnt want to cut the wire without an easy way to reconnect it should I need to. I followed the wires and found they come up and into the battery compartment. Remove the cover and its the bundle of wire closest to the motor. Strip back the tape, cut and insulate the black/yellow wire, retape the bundle. There is only one Black/Yellow wire in there. I cut that one and then turned the ignition on and the pump went full speed and works as shown above.

Thanks OP for the video!


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...4f9537898a.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...8c95bbbc82.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c502578964.jpg

What model and year is your car?

Adam Chambers Jun 5, 2023 04:11 PM

2016 C450. From other posts I have seen, the face lift cars are easy too as the relay is right next to the reservoir.

W205C43PFL Jun 5, 2023 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by Adam Chambers (Post 8791404)
2016 C450. From other posts I have seen, the face lift cars are easy too as the relay is right next to the reservoir.

Sounds good thanks

MaverickC43 Jun 5, 2023 04:37 PM

There’s any easier way on FL?

Adam Chambers Jun 5, 2023 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by MaverickC43 (Post 8791434)
There’s any easier way on FL?

Ahhh, that looks like like E class.

https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...wo95wdw-vyirIw

KristiyanPetrov Jun 5, 2023 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by Adam Chambers (Post 8791279)
After seeing this today I wanted to check it out. Found the pump by removing 3 plastic rivets from the wheel well. I could not get the plug off and didnt want to cut the wire without an easy way to reconnect it should I need to. I followed the wires and found they come up and into the battery compartment. Remove the cover and its the bundle of wire closest to the motor. Strip back the tape, cut and insulate the black/yellow wire, retape the bundle. There is only one Black/Yellow wire in there. I cut that one and then turned the ignition on and the pump went full speed and works as shown above.

Thanks OP for the video!


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...4f9537898a.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...8c95bbbc82.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c502578964.jpg

Do you know if on C43 2017 is the same as you mention in the pics?

Thanks to OP and to you for the shortest way!!

MaverickC43 Jun 5, 2023 05:49 PM

Is it the same color wire-on the FL that needs to be insulated?

Ginco Jun 5, 2023 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by Adam Chambers (Post 8791279)
After seeing this today I wanted to check it out. Found the pump by removing 3 plastic rivets from the wheel well. I could not get the plug off and didnt want to cut the wire without an easy way to reconnect it should I need to. I followed the wires and found they come up and into the battery compartment. Remove the cover and its the bundle of wire closest to the motor. Strip back the tape, cut and insulate the black/yellow wire, retape the bundle. There is only one Black/Yellow wire in there. I cut that one and then turned the ignition on and the pump went full speed and works as shown above.

Thanks OP for the video!

Awesome! Glad you found an easier way. Yeah the connector was a pain in the ass to unclip, it’s easier from below; but yours is a much better way to do it. I didn’t want to cut the factory harness so I did it my way but I probably should have just done this. Update us after some more testing, I want to know how it functions for other people.

MaverickC43 Jun 5, 2023 06:15 PM

@kistiyanpetrov
did u look at your car?
im not really site what to look for 🤦🏻‍♂️
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...5d51c2fbe2.jpg

Ginco Jun 5, 2023 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by MatthewJ (Post 8791100)
Curious how long the pump lasts like that. Would be nice to have an in car switch for this. Id guess they went with pulse width to extend pump life and to help with noise at idle/ acc on.
Would also be curious what the signal looks like during normal driving. Id assume its modulated based on IAT and load.

I’m pretty sure the reason they would modulate the pump speeds is for emissions and not to help with cooling. I let the car sit for a while and never observed the pump go over very low flow, maybe during a full throttle pull it ramps up but that’s too little too late. I’m not too worried about longevity, the pumps are relatively cheap and are a modern design, they should last longer running at a more constant 13.8 voltage instead of fluctuating through speeds as they probably did before. The single speed pump in my C32 lasted over 120k miles and 17 years and that was a design from 20 years ago vs a modern pump from a reputable company like bosch.

W205C43PFL Jun 5, 2023 06:48 PM

So is idling louder now?

Ginco Jun 5, 2023 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by W205C43PFL (Post 8791549)
So is idling louder now?

No, I didn’t notice a difference in sounds.

W205C43PFL Jun 5, 2023 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by Ginco (Post 8791559)
No, I didn’t notice a difference in sounds.

I see that is good to hear

W205C43PFL Jun 5, 2023 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by Adam Chambers (Post 8791279)
After seeing this today I wanted to check it out. Found the pump by removing 3 plastic rivets from the wheel well. I could not get the plug off and didnt want to cut the wire without an easy way to reconnect it should I need to. I followed the wires and found they come up and into the battery compartment. Remove the cover and its the bundle of wire closest to the motor. Strip back the tape, cut and insulate the black/yellow wire, retape the bundle. There is only one Black/Yellow wire in there. I cut that one and then turned the ignition on and the pump went full speed and works as shown above.

Thanks OP for the video!


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...4f9537898a.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...8c95bbbc82.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...c502578964.jpg

Forgot to ask, did you disconnect the battery first?

Juicedgsr95 Jun 5, 2023 09:22 PM

I did not disconnect the battery. I made sure the ignition was off though. I also noticed no more sound than normal at idle.

Juicedgsr95 Jun 5, 2023 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by MaverickC43 (Post 8791501)
Is it the same color wire-on the FL that needs to be insulated?

best way to know would be turn the wheels all the way left, 3 clips on the fender liner to pull it out and see what color the middle wire is on the plug on the pump.

jonathan358 Jun 6, 2023 12:21 AM

Great find, thanks @Ginco for the mod and @Adam Chambers for the shortcut!

MaverickC43 Jun 6, 2023 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Juicedgsr95 (Post 8791639)
best way to know would be turn the wheels all the way left, 3 clips on the fender liner to pull it out and see what color the middle wire is on the plug on the pump.


I’ll take a look today.
unless someone beats me to it. Lol

W205C43PFL Jun 6, 2023 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by Juicedgsr95 (Post 8791636)
I did not disconnect the battery. I made sure the ignition was off though. I also noticed no more sound than normal at idle.

I see, sounds good and thanks for letting me know the idle sounds the same.


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