I hate the C63!!
08-24-2007, 10:07 AM
#26
Out Of Control!!
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 10,140
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
08-24-2007, 11:32 AM
#27
Congrats! I have a 1-month old baby boy and that is also part of the reason why I want something different. A high torque, high weight manual car like my CTSV is very difficult to drive smoothly. A little too much throttle input results in a jerky 1-2 and 2-3 shift. Baby boy's head might flop around and, well, that's just not good.
If only there are 5 isofix points for baby seats in the boot.
08-24-2007, 06:08 PM
#29
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 1,948
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
2 Posts
C32/C55 AMG
Because american cars are not bad at all when it comes to power and reliability. The only thing they lack is the luxury appeal and that's becasue they are pretty affordable when compared to buying say a mercedes. There's nothing wrong with what he's saying anyways.
With all that said and done, I will still stick to my amg. Hopefully in a couple of years I can hop into one of the c63's.
With all that said and done, I will still stick to my amg. Hopefully in a couple of years I can hop into one of the c63's.
08-24-2007, 06:23 PM
#30
Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 48
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ford 4x4, daily
i would think so. both the new cts and cts v are being tuned on the ring.
and as for me personally i like the look of the mercedes better plus i like the n/a v8 that will be in the c63.
but of course this raises the question...would you rather have the c63 thats all motor or a new c series with the e55 motor in it?
and as for me personally i like the look of the mercedes better plus i like the n/a v8 that will be in the c63.
but of course this raises the question...would you rather have the c63 thats all motor or a new c series with the e55 motor in it?
08-24-2007, 08:04 PM
#31
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 2,469
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like
on
1 Post
C55AMG W203; 330i E90
My reasons to buy a C63:
- it is a W204 new generation car, it has all the fancy technology in it, you have 4 doors and take 4 passengers and it is a Merc!
- "lightest" AMG ever built (best weight2power ratio beats SLK55?)
- possibly cheaper than the new M3, the M3 is too much built as for a track car, if that was not everyone has wanted.
Within the same market segment, the only reasons not buying a C63 is if someone does not like the badge, the physical outlook, the price and he wants a BMW M3.
- it is a W204 new generation car, it has all the fancy technology in it, you have 4 doors and take 4 passengers and it is a Merc!
- "lightest" AMG ever built (best weight2power ratio beats SLK55?)
- possibly cheaper than the new M3, the M3 is too much built as for a track car, if that was not everyone has wanted.
Within the same market segment, the only reasons not buying a C63 is if someone does not like the badge, the physical outlook, the price and he wants a BMW M3.
Last edited by cntlaw; 08-24-2007 at 10:14 PM.
08-24-2007, 09:17 PM
#32
Member
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
'11 997.2 Carrera GTS
08-25-2007, 02:15 AM
#34
MBWorld Fanatic!
My reasons to buy a C63:
- it is a W204 new generation car, it has all the fancy technology in it, you have 4 doors and take 4 passengers and it is a Merc!
- "lightest" AMG ever built (best weight2power ratio beats SLK55?)
- possibly cheaper than the new M3, the M3 is too much built as for a track car, if that was not everyone has wanted.
Within the same market segment, the only reasons not buying a C63 is if someone does not like the badge, the physical outlook, the price and he wants a BMW M3.
- it is a W204 new generation car, it has all the fancy technology in it, you have 4 doors and take 4 passengers and it is a Merc!
- "lightest" AMG ever built (best weight2power ratio beats SLK55?)
- possibly cheaper than the new M3, the M3 is too much built as for a track car, if that was not everyone has wanted.
Within the same market segment, the only reasons not buying a C63 is if someone does not like the badge, the physical outlook, the price and he wants a BMW M3.
08-25-2007, 11:15 AM
#36
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Bloomfield Hills, MI
Posts: 2,255
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
W203, W211, W219, W212
08-25-2007, 11:56 AM
#37
MBWorld Fanatic!
I can say that with knowledge from experience.
Will the C63AMG cost $50,000? NO
Will the C63AMG Cost $70,000? NO
Most likely the price point will be $55-65,000. For me that is a reasonable price to pay. Like I said, For the money, FTW!
Will the C63AMG cost $50,000? NO
Will the C63AMG Cost $70,000? NO
Most likely the price point will be $55-65,000. For me that is a reasonable price to pay. Like I said, For the money, FTW!
08-25-2007, 01:10 PM
#38
Super Member
SeattleBum, as a guy who had a love/hate relationship with his C43 and strongly considered the CTS-V a few years ago ... it's great to meet and hear from you and reinforce by decision.
I can tell you I didn't get the CTS-V or an Audi or many other things I considered. Instead, I decided to drop a E55 engine in my car and put one of the sickest custom suspensions ever put on a W202 to make the car turn like few others... dropping about $25K total into it with that and other interior customization from MBenzNL.
Why? Reason being at the time of the car being 7 or 8 years old, is was still LIKE NEW; like it was milled from a block of iron. After the engine swap and discovering I had a broken engine mount the car got only more solid.
In the early 90s my wife had inheritted a Cadi Seville that was passed down from her Grandfather, to her mother to her. Like new ... 3 year old car with like 5K or 15K (I forget) on the odo. Even then, interior parts were falling off all over already. passenger seat leather was dry and ripping. Blinker stalk just came off in my hand one day. Numerous mechanical problems. We had it a couple of years. The C43 was next. We soon vowd never to own anything but a MB and AMG if we could swing it, again. (well, I broke that with the Jeep, but I'd so like to replace that with a 4-matic MB diesel of some form, ML or E wagon, once I'm allowed to in NY) ...the CLK63 or C63 are very tempting; the latter preferably in wagon form for me. I -almost- bought the E55 wagon, but that would have been my daily driver, and I couldn't get over the cost of that and the miles I would have put on it.
Anyway, that's my story. I'll say the early 2000's MB were said to have a different 'quality' level then the W202. Many people had said the W202 (and W210 I'd guess) were the last of the 'quality' MBs. However with that said, many of those people have MBs now from the early to mid 2000's. so, that may just be an urban myth. If there is any trueth to it (as Consumer Reports reliability surveys illustrate), my hope is MB is/has put extra effort into bringing them back to the top of the list. Time will tell if they achieved it. It's still not a Cadi tho! 
edit: OH!!! And the MB doesn't have an electroic watchdog monitoring & recording your actions, able to playback your speed and braking levels in the event of an accident, like the Cadi or Vett, etc... !
I can tell you I didn't get the CTS-V or an Audi or many other things I considered. Instead, I decided to drop a E55 engine in my car and put one of the sickest custom suspensions ever put on a W202 to make the car turn like few others... dropping about $25K total into it with that and other interior customization from MBenzNL.
Why? Reason being at the time of the car being 7 or 8 years old, is was still LIKE NEW; like it was milled from a block of iron. After the engine swap and discovering I had a broken engine mount the car got only more solid. In the early 90s my wife had inheritted a Cadi Seville that was passed down from her Grandfather, to her mother to her. Like new ... 3 year old car with like 5K or 15K (I forget) on the odo. Even then, interior parts were falling off all over already. passenger seat leather was dry and ripping. Blinker stalk just came off in my hand one day. Numerous mechanical problems. We had it a couple of years. The C43 was next. We soon vowd never to own anything but a MB and AMG if we could swing it, again. (well, I broke that with the Jeep, but I'd so like to replace that with a 4-matic MB diesel of some form, ML or E wagon, once I'm allowed to in NY) ...the CLK63 or C63 are very tempting; the latter preferably in wagon form for me. I -almost- bought the E55 wagon, but that would have been my daily driver, and I couldn't get over the cost of that and the miles I would have put on it.
Anyway, that's my story. I'll say the early 2000's MB were said to have a different 'quality' level then the W202. Many people had said the W202 (and W210 I'd guess) were the last of the 'quality' MBs. However with that said, many of those people have MBs now from the early to mid 2000's.
so, that may just be an urban myth. If there is any trueth to it (as Consumer Reports reliability surveys illustrate), my hope is MB is/has put extra effort into bringing them back to the top of the list. Time will tell if they achieved it. It's still not a Cadi tho! edit: OH!!! And the MB doesn't have an electroic watchdog monitoring & recording your actions, able to playback your speed and braking levels in the event of an accident, like the Cadi or Vett, etc... !
Last edited by c55m8o; 08-25-2007 at 01:14 PM.
08-25-2007, 06:02 PM
#39
Out Of Control!!
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: around the world
Posts: 12,470
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
monowiper
I've looked at the RS4 already and I'm not very impressed for the $$. If I move on to another car I would like one that is faster stock or can be upgraded "easily" to be faster. My modified Caddy can easily walk a stock RS4. The RS4's engine seems to already be maxed out and mods are ridiculously priced. Further, the AWD just kills the fun-factor for me. Getting sideways is just too much damn fun. It's also quite heavy for a relatively smaller car due to the AWD.
second, you can get sideways no problem on a AWD car, you just need to have some skills yourself
watch Tiff Needle drive the rs4
08-26-2007, 02:49 AM
#40
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: WA
Posts: 137
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
2005 Porsche Cayenne Turbo
08-26-2007, 05:30 AM
#41
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,408
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sorry to say I probably cannot talk you out of the C63. The drive dynamic is really amazing, the stability and directness of control are extremely well balanced and the stability is unquestionable even at 270km/h. I personally will not buy one only because I prefer larger cars.
08-26-2007, 10:28 AM
#42
Sorry to say I probably cannot talk you out of the C63. The drive dynamic is really amazing, the stability and directness of control are extremely well balanced and the stability is unquestionable even at 270km/h. I personally will not buy one only because I prefer larger cars.
08-26-2007, 01:12 PM
#43
Super Member
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Taipei
Posts: 623
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
2005 SL55 AMG
I would choose the c63, m3 or even the rs4 over the cts-v anyday, but thats just me. I respect the LS6 motor, but in the end....it's still American. You should have just got the Corvette!
But since your diehard American, it shouldn't matter. Only factor that may sway you from getting a c63, is the transmission. It may be of great importance to you that the new cts-v is still going to be manual, while the c63 will always be automatic.
Good luck in your decision making.
But since your diehard American, it shouldn't matter. Only factor that may sway you from getting a c63, is the transmission. It may be of great importance to you that the new cts-v is still going to be manual, while the c63 will always be automatic.
Good luck in your decision making.
08-27-2007, 11:25 AM
#45
Out Of Control!!
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 10,140
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It'll come down to what makes you happier really, drive both and decide.
It's like buying a porsche when you wanted an Aston or something else you're just not happy, Buy ur happiness and post pics!!!!
It's like buying a porsche when you wanted an Aston or something else you're just not happy, Buy ur happiness and post pics!!!!
08-27-2007, 11:48 AM
#46
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Southern Cali (Ontario)
Posts: 3,466
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes
on
10 Posts
c'mon now... let's not throw numbers around.
some reports say it will have the Z06 engine and some new pictures point to a S/C V8.
obviously they are looking at around 500hp.
Either way... at the most it will have around 525hp to stay within the market of M5, E63, RS6.
600hp figure will be for the Corvette Z06 S/C to keep up with the new 8.4 L Viper that just trapped 125mph at edmunds.com. Usually edmunds is very conservative in their figures.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...pageNumber=1#2
The new CTS is a fine vehicle and yes it can "TURN" probably better than my E55. It was tuned in Germany for a "marketing" purpose, but that does not translate into a super handling capabilities.
when I owned Acura's and Infiniti's I would of upgraded to a Caddy, but now that I'm deep with AMG, I look only BMW and Audi for performance sedans and to Toyota or Honda for your daily commuter or SUV needs.
08-27-2007, 02:37 PM
#47
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: WA
Posts: 137
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
2005 Porsche Cayenne Turbo
I would choose the c63, m3 or even the rs4 over the cts-v anyday, but thats just me. I respect the LS6 motor, but in the end....it's still American. You should have just got the Corvette!
But since your diehard American, it shouldn't matter. Only factor that may sway you from getting a c63, is the transmission. It may be of great importance to you that the new cts-v is still going to be manual, while the c63 will always be automatic.
Good luck in your decision making.
But since your diehard American, it shouldn't matter. Only factor that may sway you from getting a c63, is the transmission. It may be of great importance to you that the new cts-v is still going to be manual, while the c63 will always be automatic.
Good luck in your decision making.
I cross-shopped the B6 S4, the E46 M3, E39 M5 and the 2005 CTS-V a couple years ago. Test drove them all. All very nice cars. I have to tell ya, I was very surprised I drove out of the dealership in the Cadillac...very surprised. I was quite set on the M3 but, honestly, the Caddy was just so much more fun to drive with all of the torque available. The M3 is just as quick and far more nimble, but just "felt" slower. Hard to explain.
08-27-2007, 02:46 PM
#48
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: WA
Posts: 137
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
2005 Porsche Cayenne Turbo
Did you ever see that Top Gear episode where they pitted the 2004 CTS-V against the Audi B6 S4? The Stig drove the Audi and the show host drove the Caddy. They did the test in the rain and the CTS still put bus lengths on the Audi around the track. I'd say that proves GM did something right in the handling department...
08-27-2007, 02:58 PM
#49
MBWorld Fanatic!
I love musclecars, corvettes, and vipers. If you want the fastest cars for the least amount of money then go American.
If you want a car that has a comfortable interior, high-class status, beautiful looks, livable sport suspension, monstrous n/a V8, smooth automatic transmission, and the 3 pointed star in the grill then the C63 is what its all about. Its the perfect blend of good looks, performance, and daily drivability.
I love it even though its American rivals may beat it on the drag strip.
If you want a car that has a comfortable interior, high-class status, beautiful looks, livable sport suspension, monstrous n/a V8, smooth automatic transmission, and the 3 pointed star in the grill then the C63 is what its all about. Its the perfect blend of good looks, performance, and daily drivability.
I love it even though its American rivals may beat it on the drag strip.
08-27-2007, 04:05 PM
#50
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: WA
Posts: 137
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
2005 Porsche Cayenne Turbo
I love musclecars, corvettes, and vipers. If you want the fastest cars for the least amount of money then go American.
If you want a car that has a comfortable interior, high-class status, beautiful looks, livable sport suspension, monstrous n/a V8, smooth automatic transmission, and the 3 pointed star in the grill then the C63 is what its all about. Its the perfect blend of good looks, performance, and daily drivability.
I love it even though its American rivals may beat it on the drag strip.
If you want a car that has a comfortable interior, high-class status, beautiful looks, livable sport suspension, monstrous n/a V8, smooth automatic transmission, and the 3 pointed star in the grill then the C63 is what its all about. Its the perfect blend of good looks, performance, and daily drivability.
I love it even though its American rivals may beat it on the drag strip.
