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Old 10-23-2007, 01:29 PM
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C63 or new Skyline GTR?

Can't decide whether to get the new Nissan GTR or the C63 as my next car. Both have alamingly similar specs and similar prices over here.

C63:
457 bhp
443 lb ft
0-60: 4.2s
1/4 mile: 11.7s ? (thought i saw this figure from somewhere)

GTR:
473 bhp
434 lb ft
0-60: 3.5s
1/4 mile: 11.7s
Nurburgring: 7min 35s! (according to Motortrend)

Edmunds article on GTR at Nurburgring

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Originally Posted by Jspeed
Can't decide whether to get the new Nissan GTR or the C63 as my next car. Both have alamingly similar specs and similar prices over here.

C63:
457 bhp
443 ft lbs
0-60: 4.2s
1/4 mile: 11.7s ? (thought i saw this figure from somewhere)

GTR:
473 bhp
434 ft lbs
0-60: 3.5s
1/4 mile: 11.7s
Nurburgring: 7min 35s! (according to Motortrend)

Edmunds article on GTR at Nurburgring
I think you meant 12.7 for the C63 1/4 mile time....
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I'm don't think there have been many tests yet, but this is the figure I remembered from some article. Could be wrong though.
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Originally Posted by Jspeed
Can't decide whether to get the new Nissan GTR or the C63 as my next car. Both have alamingly similar specs and similar prices over here.

C63:
457 bhp
443 lb ft
0-60: 4.2s
1/4 mile: 11.7s ? (thought i saw this figure from somewhere)

GTR:
473 bhp
434 lb ft
0-60: 3.5s
1/4 mile: 11.7s
Nurburgring: 7min 35s! (according to Motortrend)

Edmunds article on GTR at Nurburgring




The Skyline is a 997 Turbo, Z06 competitor. It will paste a C63, M3, or RS4 in anything performance related. But that usually isn't the only factor for most people (or else everyone that has an AMG Merc or M badged Bimmer would be buying corvettes). Is the Skyline going to be a good daily driver? Do you like the boy racer styling?

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Will it come here as a Nissan or Infinity? Both? Will they be able to keep the cost under 100K?
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It will be a under the Nissan name, with 3 different models ranging from mid 50k to 90k or so, but expect the first few months for them to be very much overpriced by the dealerships.
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Originally Posted by chiphomme
The Skyline is a 997 Turbo, Z06 competitor. It will paste a C63, M3, or RS4 in anything performance related. But that usually isn't the only factor for most people (or else everyone that has an AMG Merc or M badged Bimmer would be buying corvettes). Is the Skyline going to be a good daily driver? Do you like the boy racer styling?

Listen to Carlos Ghosn at around 1:32 of the video below. He says that "...this is a car you can drive anytime, anywhere ..." Its just a matter of whether you need the extra 2 doors I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i68e-ciWcY

As for the styling, I think they both look great! Not so much boy racer if you choose the right color and keep the stock bodykit.

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tough choice! But AWD and 3.5 to 60mph would win it for me!
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Nissan for me...

but since I have 2 kids.. I don't need a true sports car... just a sports sedan.
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3 different models?

Last I've read there's only one GTR with options, and around 70K loaded. This puts it in the same price level as the Z06.

The GTR is on a different performance level, but if comfort and practicality of a 4 door is important for you, the C63 is a more prudent choice.
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Forgot to mention that the GTR comes only in DSG transmission which makes the choice even more difficult!

I'm eagerly awaiting more reviews and figures after the official launch this week.
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Forgot to mention that the GTR comes only in DSG transmission which makes the choice even more difficult!

I'm eagerly awaiting more reviews and figures after the official launch this week.
With all the cars you own why would you want either?
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Originally Posted by chiphomme
With all the cars you own why would you want either?
I only own the Golf GTI and CLS55 and I want to sell the Golf as it is getting too common over here. Rest are my dads cars.The Evo I sold already. CLS55 is a tank on the circuit and I need a car that I can take to the track to replace the GTI.
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It will be officially unveiled in 9 hours and 48 minutes...so until then I'm not gonna say too much.

Check the off topic thread for all the info https://mbworld.org/forums/off-topic/214410-official-2009-nissan-gtr-pics.html

Or visit www.nagtroc.com they'll have the most up-to-date info.

And you can figure out my vote for which car to get

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I only own the Golf GTI and CLS55 and I want to sell the Golf as it is getting too common over here. Rest are my dads cars.The Evo I sold already. CLS55 is a tank on the circuit and I need a car that I can take to the track to replace the GTI.


Yeah I owned a CLS55 and moved to an M6 because of handling. Now I'm moving back to Mercedes because they may have made the perfect car for me, CLK63 Black(due in November).
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Originally Posted by chiphomme
Yeah I owned a CLS55 and moved to an M6 because of handling. Now I'm moving back to Mercedes because they may have made the perfect car for me, CLK63 Black(due in November).
Good chice, although isn't BMW supposed to come out with an M6 CSL or something? That should be a great competitor to the CLK Black Series. I wish I knew more info on it...
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I am #1 on the list for the GT-R, the C63 and the 08 Challenger. Each car has positive and negative points. Waiting for final specs on the GT-R and the Challenger to make final decision.
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Official specs....


Engine
• VR-series twin-turbocharged 3.8-liter V6.
• 480 hp @ 6,800 rpm. 430 lb-ft torque @ 3,200–5,200 rpm.
• Dual overhead camshafts with variable intake-valve timing.
• Cast aluminum cylinder block with high-endurance/low-friction plasma-sprayed bores.
• IHI twin turbochargers, one per cylinder bank.
• Pressurized lubrication system with thermostatically controlled cooling.
Drivetrain
• ATTESA ET-S All-Wheel Drive (AWD) with independent rear-mounted transaxle integrating transmission, differential and AWD transfer case.
• Rigid, lightweight carbon-composite driveshaft between engine and transaxle.
• Electronic traction control plus 1.5-way mechanically locking rear differential.
• Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC-R) with three driver-selectable settings: Normal (for daily driving, controls brakes and engine output), R-Mode (for ultimate performance, utilizes AWD torque distribution for additional vehicle stability) and Off (driver does not want the help of the system).
• Hill Start Assist prevents rollback when starting on an incline.
DisclaimerVDC-R cannot prevent accidents due to abrupt steering, carelessness, or dangerous driving techniques. Always drive safely.

Transmission
• 6-speed Dual Clutch Transmission with three driver-selectable modes: Normal (for maximum smoothness and efficiency), Snow (for gentler starting and shifting on slippery surfaces), and R mode (for maximum performance with fastest shifts).
• Fully automatic shifting or full sequential manual control via gearshift or steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters.
• Dual clutch design changes gears in less than 0.5 second (0.2 second in R mode).
• Downshift Rev Matching (DRM).
• Predictive pre-shift control (in R mode) based on throttle position, vehicle speed, braking and other information.
Wheels and Tires
• 20 x 9.5" (front) and 20 x 10.5" (rear) super-lightweight forged-aluminum wheels with Gunmetal Gray finish.
• Exclusively developed nitrogen-filled Bridgestone® RE070A high-capacity run-flat summer tires, 255/40R20 front and 285/35R20 rear.
• Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS).
• Optional exclusively developed nitrogen-filled Dunlop® run-flat all-season tires, 255/40R20 front and 285/35R20 rear (includes Bright Silver wheels).
Brakes
• Brembo® 4-wheel disc brakes with 4-wheel Antilock Braking System (ABS), Brake Assist, Electronic Brakeforce Distribution and Preview Braking.
• Two-piece floating-rotor 15-inch front and rear discs with diamond-pattern internal ventilation.
• 6-piston front/4-piston rear monoblock calipers.
Steering
• Rack-and-pinion steering with vehicle-speed-sensitive power assist.
• 2.6 steering-wheel turns lock-to-lock.
Suspension
• 4-wheel independent suspension with Bilstein® DampTronic system with three driver-selectable modes: Normal/Sport (for automatic electronic control of damping), Comfort (for maximum ride comfort), and R mode (engages maximum damping rate for high-performance cornering).
• Electronically controlled variable-rate shock absorbers. High-accuracy progressive-rate coil springs.
• Front double-wishbone/rear multi-link configuration with aluminum members and rigid aluminum subframes.
• Hollow front and rear stabilizer bars.
Body/Chassis
• Exclusive Premium Midship platform with jig-welded hybrid unibody.
• Aluminum hood, trunk and door skins. Die-cast aluminum door structures.
• Carbon-reinforced front crossmember/radiator support.
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Standard Features

Exterior
• Wide-beam headlights with High Intensity Discharge (HID) low beams.
• LED taillights and brake lights.
• Dual heated power mirrors.
• Flush-mounted aluminum door handles.
• Body-color rear spoiler with integrated center high-mounted stop light.
• UV-reducing tinted glass.
Audio/Navigation/Performance Monitor
• Digital Bose® audio system with AM/FM/in-dash 6-CD changer and 11 speakers including dual subwoofers.
• HDD Music Box system, including hard drive with 9.4 GB for audio storage.
• MP3, WMA and DVD audio capable. In-dash Compact Flash card reader.
• HDD-based GPS navigation with touch screen.
• Driver-configurable performance monitor, developed with Sony® Polyphony, with graphical readouts of vehicle data and driving data displayed on a total of 11 screens.
• 7-inch WVGA high-resolution color-LCD display for audio, navigation and performance monitor.
Interior
• Automatic Temperature Control (ATC).
• Electronic analog instrument cluster with multi-function trip computer and digital gear indicator.
• Power front windows with one-touch auto-up/down feature.
• Intelligent Key system with pushbutton start. Power door locks.
• Cruise control.
• Tilt/telescoping steering column.
• Bluetooth® Hands-free phone system with voice recognition.
Seating/Appointments
• Leather upholstered front seats with perforated Alcantara inserts.
• 8-way power front seats with entry/exit switch for rear-seat passengers.
• Driver-shaped bucket seat.
• Dual individual rear seats.
• Heated front seats.
• Leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift knob.
• Drilled aluminum pedals.
Safety/Security
• Nissan Advanced Air Bag System (AABS) with dual-stage supplemental front air bags, seat belt sensors and occupant-classification sensor.
• Driver and front-passenger side-impact supplemental air bags and roof-mounted curtain supplemental air bags.
• Front seat belts with pretensioners and load limiters.
• Nissan Vehicle Immobilizer System.
• Vehicle Security System.
DisclaimerPlease keep in mind that air bags are a supplemental system and must be used in conjunction with a seat belt. Never let children 12 and under ride in this vehicle unless the front passenger air bag on/off switch has been installed. Side air bags and side curtain air bags are designed to inflate in higher severity side collisions and inflate on the side of the vehicle impacted. Please see your owner's manual for more details. Inflated air bags shown for illustration purposes only. Actual air bags deflate after deployment.

Nissan Motor Co., Ltd., today announced the launch of the Nissan GT-R, a new multi-dimensional performance machine that lives up to the concept of “an ultimate supercar for anyone, anywhere, at anytime”. The Nissan GT-R features a newly developed Premium Midship package, including the world’s first independent transaxle 4WD developed independently by Nissan. The Nissan GT-R will be available in Japan mainly through Nissan High Performance Centers nationwide from December 6th.

The Nissan GT-R was developed with a new understanding and appreciation of the Earth’s natural forces – gravity, inertial force and aerodynamics – and translates those forces into a completely new design, maximizing tire grip and airflow.

Basic vehicle dynamics and integration with the driver have also been examined, resulting in new componentry and creating a Human-Machine Interface (HMI) never seen before in the marketplace. All of these theories have been integrated to balance “speed and efficiency,” “high-output with environmental consideration” and “high performance and safety.”

Taking these factors into account, Nissan created the all-new Nissan GT-R, which offers advanced high performance for secure and enjoyable driving by minimizing the effects of climatic, road condition or driving technique limitations. The Nissan GT-R offers ultimate performance for virtually every driving situation – whether it be the Nurburgring circuit, to snow, rain or urban areas – all manageable by the GT-R driver through advanced technology and driving dynamics.

The Nissan GT-R’s unique characteristics are instilled not just in the vehicle’s design, but also through a specialized production process. Carbon fiber, aluminum and steel components are assembled with a special high-precision process, which includes a series of vibration tests. Engines and transmissions are assembled by a single craftsman in a “clean room” environment and upon completion, every GT-R undergoes a battery of comprehensive tests to ensure the proper operation of all vehicle components.

To properly support the all-new GT-R, Nissan has established special Nissan High Performance Centers, where all certified advisors and technicians have received extensive training. Total support for the GT-R owner is offered for the first three years of ownership, including measurement and adjustment of the engine, transmission and wheel alignment after the first 1000 km, and again every 12 months, free of charge.

Packaging and Driveline Suited for a Supercar
The all-new Nissan GT-R uses a Premium Midship package, an all-new, more advanced version Front Midship (FM) package utilized on other Nissan vehicles. This new package enables the use of the world’s first application of an independent transaxle 4WD system. The transaxle’s layout places the dual-clutch transmission, transfer case and final drive at the rear of the vehicle (instead of the usual front location), which enables vehicle weight to be evenly distributed throughout the car. This gives the Nissan GT-R a superb front-to-rear weight balance, while enhancing leg and foot space and allowing for an optimal pedal layout.

Under the hood, the Nissan GT-R features an all-new 3.8-litre twin turbo V6 “VR38” engine, featuring plasma-sprayed bores and a special twin-turbo exhaust manifold system. A secondary air management system enables the newly designed powerplant to provide approximately 40kg/m of torque during ordinary low-rev driving, which gives an optimum air-fuel ratio for around-town efficiency and helps the Nissan GT-R meet ultra-low emission vehicle (U-LEV) standards in Japan.

The Nissan GT-R’s new engine produces 480PS (353kW) at 6400rpm and maximum torque of 60kgm (588Nm) from 3200 to 5200rpm. Putting the power to the ground is an all-new GR6-type dual clutch transmission, with paddle shifting and a Borg Warner six-plate dual clutch for direct control.

Suspension duties are handled through a special Bilstein DampTronic*1 system, which utilizes all pertinent vehicle information to provide appropriate damping forces for all situations and helps maintain a high level of control for straight-line driving, cornering, and braking.

Braking is essential for a daily-driven supercar and the GT-R features large Brembo full-floating drilled rotors, low steel high stiffness brake pads and Brembo mono block six-piston front and four-piston rear calipers, which in combination minimize fade and provide stable braking. Run-flat tires, exclusively designed for use on the Nissan GT-R, balance high grip and all-weather capabilities and a comfortable ride in all driving situations. The tires are designed to maintain structure for 80km of travel at 80 km/h, while still providing an acceptable level of performance.

High-Performance Safety and Environmental Technologies
The Nissan GT-R offers a long list of safety and environmental features, including, for enhanced visibility inside and out of the vehicle, high-mounted LED stoplamps, bright LED rear combination taillights, “super wide beam” headlights, heated door mirrors and flat-blade wipers.

Standard safety equipment includes a pop-up engine hood system for enhanced pedestrian safety, driver and front passenger SRS Air Bag System, ELR front seat belts with tension reducer, front seat belts with load limiter, and three-point ELR rear seat belts. Driver and front passenger SRS Side Air Bag System and SRS Curtain Air Bag System are offered as options.

Environmental technologies include extensive work to create an U-LEV certification in Japan for the 3.8-liter twin turbo engine and reduced levels of volatile organic compound for materials used in the car.

Functional Design – High Performance Aerodynamics and Style
The Nissan GT-R’s styling follows the function over form theory. Every styling aspect, from the overall design to the smallest details, is created to maximize the vehicle’s driving experience – as well as suggesting GT-R’s “supercar” level of performance. Utilizing advanced aerodynamics, the Nissan GT-R’s aggressive styling evokes the lines of a well-trained athlete, combining strong character lines with smooth and solid areas.

The all-new GT-R’s body is created with a combination of steel, carbon fiber and aluminum, providing a unique combination of stiffness and lightness. The Nissan GT-R features a low coefficient of drag of 0.27, with high front and rear downforce, which provides the GT-R with enhanced grip in all weather situations, while also enhancing fuel efficiency.

The front fenders express power and stability, while the “aero-blades” on the fenders’ leading edges provide optimum airflow around the tires and along the body. The scoop in the fenders’ trailing edges assists in providing front downforce and optimization of side airflow. The aggressive front end, with a large hood budge and single air intake, provides a sophisticated style as well as undisturbed airflow for power and cooling. New “super wide beam” headlights feature three additional sub-reflectors (compared to conventional lights) to give a wider spread to the illumination area.

The Nissan GT-R’s large, four-passenger cabin features a sloping “aero blade canopy” roofline and curved C-pillar “sword edge,” which expresses the distinctive GT-R identity, as well as facilitating air flow around the rear of the vehicle. The GT-R’s hallmark four-ring taillights, efficient rear spoiler and large, integrated φ120 exhaust tips, provides the signature rear view of the GT-R, as well as optimizing airflow along the top and under the vehicle
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Thanks for the info! Are there any pics of different colors or figures on weight/performance of the car yet?
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www.gtrnissan.com

As we speak the GT-R is being unveiled. Maybe another 30 mins or so...I'm watching it live from that site.
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7:38 is real! wow what a car!
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7:38 is real! wow what a car!

What a car indeed. I'm still leaning towards a C63 at this point. The GT-R seems like a all out sports car, i need some comfort.
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I still don't quite get it. It weighs hundreds (over 3800lbs) of pounds more than a Z06 (under 3200lbs) and has less hp and torque. Why would it be quicker? It should be more on par with my CLK63BS.
And BTW, I would like to see how they configured the car to get a 7:38. Most of its runs were a little below 8:00. 7:38 is Zonda territory.
Never the less it looks amazing. Can someone tell me how many are coming to the US? Im trying to push my business partner into buying one (he loves Nissan for some weird reason). He said his dealer told him only 1200 are coming and he needed to put $5k down. Thats silly. I didn't put a dime down on my much more limited production CLK.

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Yeah, it weighs the same as a C63 but laps the Nurburgring under 7:40 ... ???


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