10MPG or not
Car and Driver: C63 AMG v '07 Audi RS 4 v '08 BMW M3
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0-60 in 3.9 seconds 
1/4 mile at 12.3 seconds @ 116 mph
10 mpg
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...08-bmw-m3.html
1/4 mile at 12.3 seconds @ 116 mph
10 mpg
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...08-bmw-m3.html
Its funny, EVERYTHING car and driver said about why they like the M, is WHY I NO LONGER drive one. NO bottom end Torque, only fun at the limits, and makes you work to enjoy it. For a track car, okay its the one, for an everyday drive, I THINK NOT.
Oh well, THANK YOU AMG engineers for bringing home the bacon, AGAIN
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that is a pointless test then. why wouldn't they put the c63 in manual mode on highest gear and then try that?
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Exactly. It only makes sense manual vs manual. It is a flawed test, one I disregard. I've often thought of writing a letter to the publication. I think all test should be conducted in the optimal gear. That way Automatic that have no M mode would still be represented correctly.
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Man, I'm still caught up on this 10 MPG thing. I hope to buy this car in '11 or so (a used one). I'll watch other articles and I hope it's false. Otherwise, the M3/4 is going to be mighty tempting.
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I don't believe it will be anywhere near 10. In my E55 I could get it down to 9mpg but that was stop, floor it to 60, stop floor it, over and over while screwing around. The E55 sucked gas worse than the E63 does. Even driving aggressively in city streets I still got 15ish. Highways 24. I don't know where they got 10 from but it wasn't driving it on the road.
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I don't believe it will be anywhere near 10. In my E55 I could get it down to 9mpg but that was stop, floor it to 60, stop floor it, over and over while screwing around. The E55 sucked gas worse than the E63 does. Even driving aggressively in city streets I still got 15ish. Highways 24. I don't know where they got 10 from but it wasn't driving it on the road.
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I think it's a typo. EPA city is always considered the worst, so why the "700 miles" mpg is even worse than the city ?
Look at the numbers again.
EPA City : 13 mpg
EPA Highway : 20 mpg
700 miles : 10 mpg ????? Something doesn't add up.
I call it
Look at the numbers again.
EPA City : 13 mpg
EPA Highway : 20 mpg
700 miles : 10 mpg ????? Something doesn't add up.
I call it
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The main reason C&D liked it better because it was "the most sporting and emotionally appealing (whatever), and the relationship it fosters with the driver".
They also said "this latest M3 offers the purest, least diluted, most involving, and best-in-class driver-and-machine relationship
I don't think the C63 is inferior to the M3 in the handling department, and there's no question about performance. So it must be the manual transmission that played a pretty big role in bringing about the conclusion.
They also said "this latest M3 offers the purest, least diluted, most involving, and best-in-class driver-and-machine relationship
I don't think the C63 is inferior to the M3 in the handling department, and there's no question about performance. So it must be the manual transmission that played a pretty big role in bringing about the conclusion.
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The main reason C&D liked it better because it was "the most sporting and emotionally appealing (whatever), and the relationship it fosters with the driver".
They also said "this latest M3 offers the purest, least diluted, most involving, and best-in-class driver-and-machine relationship
They also said "this latest M3 offers the purest, least diluted, most involving, and best-in-class driver-and-machine relationship
. I could hardly hold my tears
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I really hate the fact that these freakin comparisons never take into account that the M3 always cheats indirectly because IT'S A TWO DOOR CAR vs TWO FOUR DOOR CARS. WAIT TILL THE 4door M3 comes out and whach who wins. The M3 is going to get it's **** handed to it. Could you imagine a two door C63.....and no not the heavy **** clk63, but a real two door C63. It will kill the M3 even more.
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BMW "cheats"? Who is aiming at whom? Sorry to burst your bubble but Mercedes was aiming the C63 at the iconic M3, not the other way round. So you should really ask why Mercedes didn't make a coupe instead of 4 door?
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I'm thinking these numbers may be fairly optimistic. 3.9/12.2 would make that one fricking hell-of-a-beast on the road. At these posted times you can almost go Z06 hunting. One of the other magazines had the 0-60 and quarter mile times a little higher and more along the lines of what I thougt the car would be -- 4.2 - 4.3 ish in the 0-60 category. If these numbers ring true, the 450 HP avertised is just marketing (closer to 500) to keep the C in check with the E and S class. God forbid the C have more ponies than the E!
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10MPG, it's an error. Come on, look at all the other real world stats for all V8s from Stutt or across the countryside. And speaking of real world stats in minds, yes, the C63 is an auto, but BMW has got to have a smidget of a complex that a 4 door sedan has been chomping the bit at it's 2door powerhouse. Sure, put 3 passengers & driver in the C63 and 2 in the M3 and you'll watch it creep away from you at a launch, but take that same "real world" scenario with the same set up at speeds and you'll easily have four people in the C63 snickering that a 2door, 2passenger BMW was handed it's tail on a platter. No, I'm not saying that the C63 will smoke the M3, but at least you can show up a 2 door M3, and get to tee time early for four with bags in tow. That's what I admire about what AMG did with this SEDAN.
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)The m3 is a better drivers car is what the article is telling us.I think it is currently beyond AMG to make a real drivers car but it is getting closer. Maybe the next generation of models will major on lighter weight over the front axle and a more subtle chassis balance.If Audi can do it with the R8 then im sure AMG can.
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yes but there is more to life than just power (although it does help)
The m3 is a better drivers car is what the article is telling us.I think it is currently beyond AMG to make a real drivers car but it is getting closer. Maybe the next generation of models will major on lighter weight over the front axle and a more subtle chassis balance.If Audi can do it with the R8 then im sure AMG can.
)The m3 is a better drivers car is what the article is telling us.I think it is currently beyond AMG to make a real drivers car but it is getting closer. Maybe the next generation of models will major on lighter weight over the front axle and a more subtle chassis balance.If Audi can do it with the R8 then im sure AMG can.
Yes the M is better on the track and at the limits, ie it MAKES you dirve the car, however for the other 99.99% of the time I will take my C32, or ANY AMG over the M for just that reason.
You can truely enjoy driving a AMG, WITHOUT having to work for the fun. Little things like torque below 4000 rpm is just ONE of my issues here.
Suit yourself, but I will NOT go back to BMW's even with a HIGH reving V-8, COME ON C63, deprecieate already, LIKE ALL AMG's, so I can afford you
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Well, I think that's overstating things a bit....just because they not-at-all-biased editors at C&D picked the M over the AMG doesn't mean that the AMG is not a "real drivers car"....in fact, there have been numerous reviews from overseas rags (including EVO and others that are much better than C&D) that have given the AMG great compliments on its steering, handling dynamics, etc.
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Step out of that world and C63 rules and difference is not just subtle, IMHO.
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I would turn the table and say if the world was covered with twisty roads only and I cannot live w/o manual, yeah I may choose the M and feel the lack of under steer at the limits and a better driver's connection.
Step out of that world and C63 rules and difference is not just subtle, IMHO.
Step out of that world and C63 rules and difference is not just subtle, IMHO.
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