Performance Package P030
04-03-2008, 04:20 PM
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Performance Package P030
Hello all, have not posted in a very long time. I have been reading many a thread about the performance package but noticed something interesting when I went to my dealer yesterday.
Apparently, according to the dealer's computer, the option of P030 performance package for 2009 C63 AMG's only lists the limited slip differential and top speed limit raise to 186 mph. That is it. It does not mention two piece rotors with aluminum centers and iron discs; it does not mention the alcantara race wheel; it does not mention any suspension tuning at all.
Is the documentation in the computer screwed up, or has AMG and MBUSA listened to the reviews that have said the suspension of the performance package is painfully hard and would not recommmend it? I have even read one article that said if the package didn't include the suspension that it would be a no brainer to purchase it.
Admittedly these guys aren't the most knowledgeable, and this contradicts everything every review has ever said before about the contents of the package. But...it does make you wonder.
Apparently, according to the dealer's computer, the option of P030 performance package for 2009 C63 AMG's only lists the limited slip differential and top speed limit raise to 186 mph. That is it. It does not mention two piece rotors with aluminum centers and iron discs; it does not mention the alcantara race wheel; it does not mention any suspension tuning at all.
Is the documentation in the computer screwed up, or has AMG and MBUSA listened to the reviews that have said the suspension of the performance package is painfully hard and would not recommmend it? I have even read one article that said if the package didn't include the suspension that it would be a no brainer to purchase it.
Admittedly these guys aren't the most knowledgeable, and this contradicts everything every review has ever said before about the contents of the package. But...it does make you wonder.
04-03-2008, 04:58 PM
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Hello all, have not posted in a very long time. I have been reading many a thread about the performance package but noticed something interesting when I went to my dealer yesterday.
Apparently, according to the dealer's computer, the option of P030 performance package for 2009 C63 AMG's only lists the limited slip differential and top speed limit raise to 186 mph. That is it. It does not mention two piece rotors with aluminum centers and iron discs; it does not mention the alcantara race wheel; it does not mention any suspension tuning at all.
Is the documentation in the computer screwed up, or has AMG and MBUSA listened to the reviews that have said the suspension of the performance package is painfully hard and would not recommmend it? I have even read one article that said if the package didn't include the suspension that it would be a no brainer to purchase it.
Admittedly these guys aren't the most knowledgeable, and this contradicts everything every review has ever said before about the contents of the package. But...it does make you wonder.
Apparently, according to the dealer's computer, the option of P030 performance package for 2009 C63 AMG's only lists the limited slip differential and top speed limit raise to 186 mph. That is it. It does not mention two piece rotors with aluminum centers and iron discs; it does not mention the alcantara race wheel; it does not mention any suspension tuning at all.
Is the documentation in the computer screwed up, or has AMG and MBUSA listened to the reviews that have said the suspension of the performance package is painfully hard and would not recommmend it? I have even read one article that said if the package didn't include the suspension that it would be a no brainer to purchase it.
Admittedly these guys aren't the most knowledgeable, and this contradicts everything every review has ever said before about the contents of the package. But...it does make you wonder.
04-03-2008, 05:17 PM
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Be careful about using the terminology "composite brakes". A lot of people used that same terminology with the CLK Black Series and it tuned out to simply mean a 2 piece rotor. It definitely saves weight and is a good thing but some people thought that it meant ceramic rotors but it does not. The are still metal.
04-03-2008, 06:23 PM
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Just as rguy stated: two piece rotors with aluminum centers and iron discs. They call these composite because of the two materials. And yes, Porsche calls their ceramic discs composite brakes as well. We just need to deal with it. Ceramic brakes are great, until you need to replace a rotor. The front brake job for my S65, with MB (two metal) composite brakes is $3,000. That's bad. The brake job on a Porsche with ceramic composite brakes can be $15,000. That's worse.
But there's no doubt an 030 brakes will cost a lot more to maintain than the base C63 brakes. Something to keep in mind, along with the increased rear tire wear from the LSD.
But there's no doubt an 030 brakes will cost a lot more to maintain than the base C63 brakes. Something to keep in mind, along with the increased rear tire wear from the LSD.
04-03-2008, 06:29 PM
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Just as rguy stated: two piece rotors with aluminum centers and iron discs. They call these composite because of the two materials. And yes, Porsche calls their ceramic discs composite brakes as well. We just need to deal with it. Ceramic brakes are great, until you need to replace a rotor. The front brake job for my S65, with MB (two metal) composite brakes is $3,000. That's bad. The brake job on a Porsche with ceramic composite brakes can be $15,000. That's worse.
But there's no doubt an 030 brakes will cost a lot more to maintain than the base C63 brakes. Something to keep in mind, along with the increased rear tire wear from the LSD.
But there's no doubt an 030 brakes will cost a lot more to maintain than the base C63 brakes. Something to keep in mind, along with the increased rear tire wear from the LSD.
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Just as rguy stated: two piece rotors with aluminum centers and iron discs. They call these composite because of the two materials. And yes, Porsche calls their ceramic discs composite brakes as well. We just need to deal with it. Ceramic brakes are great, until you need to replace a rotor. The front brake job for my S65, with MB (two metal) composite brakes is $3,000. That's bad. The brake job on a Porsche with ceramic composite brakes can be $15,000. That's worse.
But there's no doubt an 030 brakes will cost a lot more to maintain than the base C63 brakes. Something to keep in mind, along with the increased rear tire wear from the LSD.
But there's no doubt an 030 brakes will cost a lot more to maintain than the base C63 brakes. Something to keep in mind, along with the increased rear tire wear from the LSD.
Great info, Whoover
04-03-2008, 08:27 PM
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at the same time, keep in mind
aftermarket LSD usually 1.5k+
steering wheel usually easily 1k
people flash ecu to loose governer easily 1k
so getting the P030 is great value, free suspension and brake upgrades easily
not to mention how much P030 costs on different models
aftermarket LSD usually 1.5k+
steering wheel usually easily 1k
people flash ecu to loose governer easily 1k
so getting the P030 is great value, free suspension and brake upgrades easily
not to mention how much P030 costs on different models
04-03-2008, 08:36 PM
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at the same time, keep in mind
aftermarket LSD usually 1.5k+
steering wheel usually easily 1k
people flash ecu to loose governer easily 1k
so getting the P030 is great value, free suspension and brake upgrades easily
not to mention how much P030 costs on different models
aftermarket LSD usually 1.5k+
steering wheel usually easily 1k
people flash ecu to loose governer easily 1k
so getting the P030 is great value, free suspension and brake upgrades easily
not to mention how much P030 costs on different models
04-03-2008, 09:19 PM
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...Apparently, according to the dealer's computer, the option of P030 performance package for 2009 C63 AMG's only lists the limited slip differential and top speed limit raise to 186 mph. That is it. It does not mention two piece rotors with aluminum centers and iron discs; it does not mention the alcantara race wheel; it does not mention any suspension tuning at all.
Is the documentation in the computer screwed up, or has AMG and MBUSA listened to the reviews that have said the suspension of the performance package is painfully hard and would not recommmend it? I have even read one article that said if the package didn't include the suspension that it would be a no brainer to purchase it.
Admittedly these guys aren't the most knowledgeable, and this contradicts everything every review has ever said before about the contents of the package. But...it does make you wonder.
Is the documentation in the computer screwed up, or has AMG and MBUSA listened to the reviews that have said the suspension of the performance package is painfully hard and would not recommmend it? I have even read one article that said if the package didn't include the suspension that it would be a no brainer to purchase it.
Admittedly these guys aren't the most knowledgeable, and this contradicts everything every review has ever said before about the contents of the package. But...it does make you wonder.
It never ceases to amaze me how so many people who sell cars for a living are less informed than their customers.
I would order the LSD and increased speed limiter as stand alone options. But I will not order the 030 option because the stiffer suspension can only make the ride comfort worse. And that is the one consistent complaint from most people who drive the car.
04-03-2008, 09:28 PM
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NetStar computer info is notorius for having incomplete information on new options. I asked a salesman the same thing. "What? No upgraded brakes or stiffer suspension?" He said "Nope. It's not listed on NetStar so that's all that's included in the option". I knew better.
It never ceases to amaze me how so many people who sell cars for a living are less informed than their customers.
I would order the LSD and increased speed limiter as stand alone options. But I will not order the 030 option because the stiffer suspension can only make the ride comfort worse. And that is the one consistent complaint from most people who drive the car.
It never ceases to amaze me how so many people who sell cars for a living are less informed than their customers.
I would order the LSD and increased speed limiter as stand alone options. But I will not order the 030 option because the stiffer suspension can only make the ride comfort worse. And that is the one consistent complaint from most people who drive the car.
04-03-2008, 11:18 PM
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True that ceramic disc cost more to replace but they'll out last the car. A reason the Porsche guys don't like them is that you have to be very very careful when changing out the tire because if you accidently bump the disc, they'll chip and you have to replace them.
04-07-2008, 11:46 PM
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It's really weird that the NetStar is still not stating the entire list. Almost all references online indicate that the P30 package will have LSD + stiffer suspension + raised top-speed limiter + composite brakes. I really hope that Mercedes doesn't decide to limit U.S. vehicles with P30 to just the top-speed limiter + LSD 
04-08-2008, 12:23 AM
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Ok... so LCD just makes there more traction on the tires which is for better handling? Stiffer suspension which is better handling? If i am right that those both help with handling then the reason they are doing this is to compete with the M3 around the track.. Since the M3 is amazing at handling would it feel as uncomfortable as a 030 C63 2009?
04-09-2008, 03:05 AM
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the m3 has three different setting for suspension. If set to the stiffest setting im sure itll be comparable to the 030 c63, but it also has a comfort setting that supposed to be very smooth
04-09-2008, 03:04 PM
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Ok... so LCD just makes there more traction on the tires which is for better handling? Stiffer suspension which is better handling? If i am right that those both help with handling then the reason they are doing this is to compete with the M3 around the track.. Since the M3 is amazing at handling would it feel as uncomfortable as a 030 C63 2009?
But neither will overcome the main advantage of the M3 chassis: balance. A lighter powerplant gives the M3 a perfect 50-50 weight distribution, and that's what the track comparos show to be the trump card.
If track performance is your main measure, it will be hard to beat the M3 with any C63.
