Raced a C63 in my Jag!
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This thread is getting out of hand.
So, yes he could be a cars length ahead to 30, as I said a couple of seconds,
but this guy said he was killed my the Merc after a while!!
And as for weight, what's that got to do with it, and one final thing is the 63
is naturally aspirated so it is less lightly to spin wheels than a supercharged
or turbo car unless he revs the nuts of it.
This is a wind up!!
So, yes he could be a cars length ahead to 30, as I said a couple of seconds,
but this guy said he was killed my the Merc after a while!!
And as for weight, what's that got to do with it, and one final thing is the 63
is naturally aspirated so it is less lightly to spin wheels than a supercharged
or turbo car unless he revs the nuts of it.
This is a wind up!!
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This thread is getting out of hand.
So, yes he could be a cars length ahead to 30, as I said a couple of seconds,
but this guy said he was killed my the Merc after a while!!
And as for weight, what's that got to do with it, and one final thing is the 63
is naturally aspirated so it is less lightly to spin wheels than a supercharged
or turbo car unless he revs the nuts of it.
This is a wind up!!
So, yes he could be a cars length ahead to 30, as I said a couple of seconds,
but this guy said he was killed my the Merc after a while!!
And as for weight, what's that got to do with it, and one final thing is the 63
is naturally aspirated so it is less lightly to spin wheels than a supercharged
or turbo car unless he revs the nuts of it.
This is a wind up!!
A supercharger will have the same response at low RPMs as a naturally-aspirated car. Higher RPM is a different story. And a turbo charger is RPM related. If there is not enough exhaust gas flowing through the turbo it is not going to boost the car.
Less weight = faster acceleration times, both positively and negatively (braking). Lateral acceleration increases a lot w/ a big drop in weight. Go slap on a set of light-weight wheels and you'll see it.
Finally, Ferrari's F2005 sh*tty season was due to sh*tty tires. You can have 800 HP and all the downforce you want, but if you have no grip your car is worthless.
Please read a book
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The AMG website states that the C63 is around 3800 lbs, but that is WITHOUT any options. If you add the Heated/Cooling seats + Xenons + Parktronic + Navi + etc.... the car will easily weight between 3900 to 4000 pounds. This has been verified by at least two members on this board who weighted their cars: one came in at 4000 lbs while the other at 3958 lbs.
http://www.jaguarusa.com/us/en/xj/mo...ifications.htm
I did, and it looks like you're even more wrong than before. You were wrong on the Jag weight, and as MB_Forever pointed out you FORGOT TO COUNT THE OPTIONS. He says they boost the C63 by 100-200 lbs, so your 3600 lb Jag now weighs 3900-4000.
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I had a nice race with a C63 AMG last night! There was no traffic and we were going from stop light to stop light with full accelaration. It means about 0-70 mph each time...
I have a Jaguar XJ8 with 300 hp, so had not too much chance, but I realized, that I was always better with the start. We took off together most times, but as I realized C63 was struggeling with ESP all the times, so I was better with the starts. Of course he could always kill me after a while, but it was interesting that I could take off faster...
Stefi
I have a Jaguar XJ8 with 300 hp, so had not too much chance, but I realized, that I was always better with the start. We took off together most times, but as I realized C63 was struggeling with ESP all the times, so I was better with the starts. Of course he could always kill me after a while, but it was interesting that I could take off faster...
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Go back to school, jherbias,
A supercharger will have the same response at low rpm's as a naturally
aspirated car. I supose they have the same torque as well
Ha Ha HA HA. they are both nat aspirated anyway so what's your point?
A supercharger will have the same response at low rpm's as a naturally
aspirated car. I supose they have the same torque as well
Ha Ha HA HA. they are both nat aspirated anyway so what's your point?
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Since you seem to only see the world in MB glasses, the SLR has a supercharged V8 engine. Nobody complains about the lag in that car... also think about the old C32 among MB's, the Ford GT, etc...
Try again. You haven't even commented on the weight and traction issues I shot you down on.
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A supercharger is belt driven, hence no lag. A turbocharger needs exhaust gas to operate. You launch a turbo car w/o building up RPMs it's not going to run under boost.
Since you seem to only see the world in MB glasses, the SLR has a supercharged V8 engine. Nobody complains about the lag in that car... also think about the old C32 among MB's, the Ford GT, etc...
Try again. You haven't even commented on the weight and traction issues I shot you down on.
Since you seem to only see the world in MB glasses, the SLR has a supercharged V8 engine. Nobody complains about the lag in that car... also think about the old C32 among MB's, the Ford GT, etc...
Try again. You haven't even commented on the weight and traction issues I shot you down on.
Time to close this thread???
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Sorry, who's talking about turbo's. We are talking superchargers.
The 55 engine is supercharged in some models, this develops far more torque
than the 63 engine. Also max torque on the 55 is nearly at max at 2500 rpm,
whereas the 63 develops max torque at 5000 rpm.
My point is the race was between 2 nat aspirated cars which develops the max power and torque at high revs, therefore both are less likely to suffer
from wheelspin on take off.
You have rather got away from the original story, and I have never heard that
the SLR has lag? and I thought it had the V12 bi-turbo.
The 55 engine is supercharged in some models, this develops far more torque
than the 63 engine. Also max torque on the 55 is nearly at max at 2500 rpm,
whereas the 63 develops max torque at 5000 rpm.
My point is the race was between 2 nat aspirated cars which develops the max power and torque at high revs, therefore both are less likely to suffer
from wheelspin on take off.
You have rather got away from the original story, and I have never heard that
the SLR has lag? and I thought it had the V12 bi-turbo.
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Sorry, who's talking about turbo's. We are talking superchargers.
The 55 engine is supercharged in some models, this develops far more torque
than the 63 engine. Also max torque on the 55 is nearly at max at 2500 rpm,
whereas the 63 develops max torque at 5000 rpm.
My point is the race was between 2 nat aspirated cars which develops the max power and torque at high revs, therefore both are less likely to suffer
from wheelspin on take off.
You have rather got away from the original story, and I have never heard that
the SLR has lag? and I thought it had the V12 bi-turbo.
The 55 engine is supercharged in some models, this develops far more torque
than the 63 engine. Also max torque on the 55 is nearly at max at 2500 rpm,
whereas the 63 develops max torque at 5000 rpm.
My point is the race was between 2 nat aspirated cars which develops the max power and torque at high revs, therefore both are less likely to suffer
from wheelspin on take off.
You have rather got away from the original story, and I have never heard that
the SLR has lag? and I thought it had the V12 bi-turbo.
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And as for weight, what's that got to do with it, and one final thing is the 63
is naturally aspirated so it is less lightly to spin wheels than a supercharged
or turbo car unless he revs the nuts of it.
A Corvette Z06 or Dodge Viper will easily vaporize its tires. So if the C63 did the same thing then the Jaguar should get the jump. I can do the same thing if any car spins its tires all day.
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Oh, I'm sorry - I thought we were talking stock curb weights. So we're comparing a C63 weighing between 3649-3800 lbs (plus options) to an XJ8 weighing 3770 lbs (plus options). Hmmm...sounds very much like what I originally said.
http://www.jaguarusa.com/us/en/xj/mo...ifications.htm
I did, and it looks like you're even more wrong than before. You were wrong on the Jag weight, and as MB_Forever pointed out you FORGOT TO COUNT THE OPTIONS. He says they boost the C63 by 100-200 lbs, so your 3600 lb Jag now weighs 3900-4000.
http://www.jaguarusa.com/us/en/xj/mo...ifications.htm
I did, and it looks like you're even more wrong than before. You were wrong on the Jag weight, and as MB_Forever pointed out you FORGOT TO COUNT THE OPTIONS. He says they boost the C63 by 100-200 lbs, so your 3600 lb Jag now weighs 3900-4000.
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I smoked one on the 70 here in OC...
It was some clown on a test drive from FJMB though..
I saw him doing about 70 up the toll road with no one around and I buzzed him at about 140...he kind of shuddered..then sped up..then they slowed back to speed.
It was some clown on a test drive from FJMB though..
I saw him doing about 70 up the toll road with no one around and I buzzed him at about 140...he kind of shuddered..then sped up..then they slowed back to speed.
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So you're saying the Jaguar website is wrong and the car doesn't way 3770? It weighs 3600 like you said?
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Sorry, who's talking about turbo's. We are talking superchargers.
The 55 engine is supercharged in some models, this develops far more torque
than the 63 engine. Also max torque on the 55 is nearly at max at 2500 rpm,
whereas the 63 develops max torque at 5000 rpm.
My point is the race was between 2 nat aspirated cars which develops the max power and torque at high revs, therefore both are less likely to suffer
from wheelspin on take off.
You have rather got away from the original story, and I have never heard that
the SLR has lag? and I thought it had the V12 bi-turbo.
The 55 engine is supercharged in some models, this develops far more torque
than the 63 engine. Also max torque on the 55 is nearly at max at 2500 rpm,
whereas the 63 develops max torque at 5000 rpm.
My point is the race was between 2 nat aspirated cars which develops the max power and torque at high revs, therefore both are less likely to suffer
from wheelspin on take off.
You have rather got away from the original story, and I have never heard that
the SLR has lag? and I thought it had the V12 bi-turbo.
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it does. sound8 needs to delete that statement b4 jerbiah gets back in here with his ghey bmw and talks about mb's some more. which we all know own bmw. dtm dominance anyone? oh im sorry bmw hasnt had a dtm groundbreaking car in what? ove a decade? im sorry bmw if you want some good engineers theyre all over at mb!
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it does. sound8 needs to delete that statement b4 jerbiah gets back in here with his ghey bmw and talks about mb's some more. which we all know own bmw. dtm dominance anyone? oh im sorry bmw hasnt had a dtm groundbreaking car in what? ove a decade? im sorry bmw if you want some good engineers theyre all over at mb!
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when did this forum started to get filled with idiots?
the OP's XJ8 could very well be the current XJ which weights less than 3600lbs where the C63 weights more than 4000lbs. It doesn't take a genius to figure out if the 63 has traction problem off the line it won't go anywhere.
the OP's XJ8 could very well be the current XJ which weights less than 3600lbs where the C63 weights more than 4000lbs. It doesn't take a genius to figure out if the 63 has traction problem off the line it won't go anywhere.
I raced an E90 M5 and a W211 E55 at the drag strip and the monster wheelspin they both had gave me the win...
E90 M5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9yxfLeBvTU
The OP said he lost LEARN TO READ GUYS
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it does. sound8 needs to delete that statement b4 jerbiah gets back in here with his ghey bmw and talks about mb's some more. which we all know own bmw. dtm dominance anyone? oh im sorry bmw hasnt had a dtm groundbreaking car in what? ove a decade? im sorry bmw if you want some good engineers theyre all over at mb!
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:own ed:ownedMercedes is more famous for having their car kill 80-100 people in the 1955 Le Mans and for having two of their cars flip out at nearly 180 mph at the 1999 Le Mans. Mercedes disappeared from Le Mans for a long time following each event.
The DTM mainly appeals to the German market whereas the other racing series are worldwide. So who effing cares about them. And the DTM cars are nowhere near what their roadgoing brethren are. GT cars are much closer.
Owned? Right, I owned you. You are proof that it doesn't take class (or brains for that matter) to own a Mercedes.
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Yeah, BMW is bringing their M3 back to the ALMS and LMS next year. What is your point? BMW dominated the ALMS GT class in 2001.
Mercedes is more famous for having their car kill 80-100 people in the 1955 Le Mans and for having two of their cars flip out at nearly 180 mph at the 1999 Le Mans. Mercedes disappeared from Le Mans for a long time following each event.
The DTM mainly appeals to the German market whereas the other racing series are worldwide. So who effing cares about them. And the DTM cars are nowhere near what their roadgoing brethren are. GT cars are much closer.
Owned? Right, I owned you. You are proof that it doesn't take class (or brains for that matter) to own a Mercedes.
Mercedes is more famous for having their car kill 80-100 people in the 1955 Le Mans and for having two of their cars flip out at nearly 180 mph at the 1999 Le Mans. Mercedes disappeared from Le Mans for a long time following each event.
The DTM mainly appeals to the German market whereas the other racing series are worldwide. So who effing cares about them. And the DTM cars are nowhere near what their roadgoing brethren are. GT cars are much closer.
Owned? Right, I owned you. You are proof that it doesn't take class (or brains for that matter) to own a Mercedes.
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it does. sound8 needs to delete that statement b4 jerbiah gets back in here with his ghey bmw and talks about mb's some more. which we all know own bmw. dtm dominance anyone? oh im sorry bmw hasnt had a dtm groundbreaking car in what? ove a decade? im sorry bmw if you want some good engineers theyre all over at mb!
