MHP

Honestly I think that was a G-tech/Dashawk ET/Trap. Notice the 0-60, 0-100, 0-150 times at the bottom and no timeslip or video.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-13833.html

yell03

You might be right?

I know I heard somewhere about a 12.3@116 run at E-town, but I have no proof.

SOTP the car feels like it traps 115-116 for sure, but that is only my limited street time talking.

I'd love to run it at ATCO, but if something happens, that is a check my azz can't cash.

My last few times I've had some close calls at the track.

Howard

MHP

Those numbers all coincide with the never to be repeated C&D test. It wasn't done at a real drag strip, and it is weather corrected.

Scroll halfway down the page and click on test sheet:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test

mthis

i ran my car at atco and at englishtown

atco i ran a 12.47X
englishtown i ran a 12.452

mthis

its imposible to trap 116 mph on a stock c63 on a drag stip.

the best stock tome for a c63 is 12.2 at 114.45mph

so how is c&d running 12.3 at 116


i have 15 time slips that can show that my car cant trap over 114 with street tires.

MHP

I agree. My best stock trap was 111.89.

paulGT3

Car and driver has a reputation for just absolutely trashing its test cars. I can see how they would get 1.5 mph out of that car. I can see where you guys as owners wouldn't do the things they do. The key here is you wouldnt want to own the car after they got done with it.

MHP

I don't disagree with that last statement, but they don't powershift in manuals and there's only so much you can do with a stock C63 launch wise.

They don't even run their tests at a real dragstrip, they use a VBox then weather correct.

Honestly that time/trap shouldn't even be allowed on that site as it wasn't even conducted at a drag strip.

SeattleBum

You really think a race with a C6 ZO6 would be close?

yell03

Did you have cool weather.
I used to head to ATCO in the fall/winter (35-45 degrees) to take advantage of the cold air.
The problem was, in my higher powered cars traction was scarce due to the combination of a less sticky surface and the car making more power in the cold. It got hairy sometimes

How did the C63 feel going down the track?
Did you turn you Traction Control off or at least leave it in ESP Sport mode?
How did you launch, mash the throttle or slowly squeeze it?

If I run it I think I would like having the Electronic Nanny of ESP Sport, it is not foolproof, but it might be nice in case of some spilled fluids downtrack.

I looked at your timeslip and your 60', 1/8th, and 1/4 all correlate to a nice and consistent stock run using the 1/8th et x 1.54 and the 1/8th trap x 1.26, I believe that is correct, it might be 1.52 and 1.25?

I do believe there may be some time to be shaved off the 60' time.
My Stock 2005 Corvette C6 Vert automatic with 400hp ripped off a 1.92 60' at ATCO on a cold winter day and on that same day I watched my friend Mark rip off a 1.88 60' in his 2006 C6 automatic, both on stock runflats which are horrible.

If your 60' came down to a 1.889 you would shave 0.2 off your 1/4, there could be a potential stock 12.27 run on stock tires.

With a set of Drag Radials this car could certainly run 12.2s or better, in fact the guy who ran 12.2s in a C63 was using R compound Nittos.

To give you an idea, my Stock 2001 Viper GTS ran 12.3@118.5 on a 1.89 60' on stock Michelin Pilots and just by swapping on Kumho R compunds I dropped that to a 11.67@120.56 on a 1.68 60'.
Even on a soft launch on the R compunds it ran a 11.8@120+ on a 1.81 60' as the traction saved me from having to pedal it down the track.

I know the C63 is traction limited.

As for 116 being impossible, who knows?
Only a few C63s have been run.
When the 1st 400hp stock C6s were run nobody ran low 12s, then all of a sudden 12.2s-12.4s happened as more guys ran them.
Trap speeds varied from 107-116, so you never know.
Some cooler air making more power could add 1-2mph easily.

Howard

JG26_Irish

*c63 amg 2008 451hp 8.9 lb per bhp
1/4mile 12.3@116mph
*corvette z51 6 speed man 436hp 7.5lb per bhp
1/4mile 12.4@117
z51 7.5 lb per bhp to c63 8.9 lb per bhp the z51 should be faster then a c63??

Yeah but I always say: "Them Bavarian Horses have big hairy hooves that shake the earth when they walk and giant ***** that strike sparks when they drag the ground. They are much stronger than them itty bitty KY Thoroughbreds in the Vette, lol - how many times have we seen a 300 hp AMG out run a 350 hp example of another car? More common with the little Japanese horses, lol"

But the problem is so few small blocks remain stock. They are easy to hot rod. I ran on track at Putnam last year with a C6 Z-0/6 and that car was fast. The problem we all face is that once you get much over 400hp it becomes increasingly difficult to put it all to the ground.

Last week, a buddy of mine ran a new ZR1 with the 600hp supercharged engine. He is a professional ARCA driver and also knows his way around a drag strip. Elevation is 620 ft and temps were about 48 F. That corrects to just under sea level so cept for the cold track conditions were about right. Cold track was a BIG problem, cause on the factory tires the ZR1 was blowing the tires away a far down as the 1/8th mile pole. He was having to feather it all the way down and never got a good run. His best time was about a 12.10 ET at 124mph. The car has way more potential but not on street tires and a cold track. From what I have seen, the C63 and the C6 LS3 might be a good race from a dig. The Vette is lighter and more aerodynamic but will have a harder time hooking in the lower gears.

YellowJacket

A z06 would be close? Some of you are so far from reality I wonder what color the sky is over there.

wuyichao

if you go to a bimmer forum, those owners think they have the fastest car in the world.

shchow

An unprovoked attack on a fellow Bavarian auto is uncalled for.

I personally love the look of the C63 and appreciate it for what it is. Us Bimmerphiles recognize the weakness of our cars...the relative low torque on the low end when compared to others in the same class, but we are willing to sacrifice that for better handling.
Having said that, IMHO Mercedes has the better outward designs...SL, CL, CLS, C all look better than their BMW counterparts. Now that the economy is in the toilet and the price of these cars have dropped significantly, seriously considering the CLK63 BS, I absolutely love that car.

So before you start referring to us as "those owners", realize that many of us appreciate both marques...

Dads C63

I don't see how a bone stock C63 can turn 116mph. I ran the 12.21 @ 114.45 and that was with fantastic air here is Florida. I know that sounds strange but a cold front came through and the temp was in the 50's and the baro was good. We made eight passes that night and they were all in the 113 range with the exception of the one 114.45 pass. No others were in the 114mph. This car is completely stock down to the filters except for the Nitto's.

Does anyone have any idea how to launch at a higher rpm. We tried leaving at different rpms and the best was about 2,000rpms. Anything over 2200rpms and the converter locks up and the rear tires begin to spin. I am new to the Mercedes arena and don't know if anyone offers a taller converter of if it can be locked electronically at a higher rpm. Whats available for the Mercedes? Good luck racing!

mthis

you name it i tried it. the best i got was from esp off in (s)auto from a 2000rpm brake stall. power break to 2000 and then just mash it work the best.

i know alot of people here will tell you dont break stall you lose time. (bulishlt) i tried not power braking and and got a couple of 12.7 not just once i tried alot of times.

mthis

nice run, i think i heard that for nittos you have to heat up for at least 20 sec and then you should grim like a ****.

2000 if the best street times you should be power braking till you cant no more with does tires and then blast off. good luck with you car.

MHP

Nice to see you on here.

Again I agree with your accessment. The C&D ET/Trap wasn't even done at at a real strip, and VBox results aren't even close to reality.
I've netted my best launches on DRs by stomping the gas without any powerbraking at all. I've tried powerbraking and feel the car come up on the converter just as you experienced at 2k rpm. Leaving that high you'll simply overshoot the converter and bog.
Part of our TCU tuning allows for higher converter stall speed, even so it's still best to flash the converter from a dig. At least in my experience.

MHP

I think if you're on street tires (not R compound or DRs) you can get away with powerbraking since the tires don't bite quite as well and cause a bog.

paulGT3

the race might not be that close but the corvette is still a chevy bucket of bolts. I still cant believe how poorly the 06 C6 was put together.
If thats what you want then more power to you. The AMG is so much better thats not even close. A V tech Honda with Nitrous is probably faster too.

MHP

On the street I'd put my $ on a C63 with ECU/TCU and DRs through at least the 1/8th if not the 1/4. 90% of a drag race is the launch, and it's hard to launch a Z06 on street tires at the track, let alone a non prepped surface.

Auto + DRs FTW.

wuyichao

i enjoy reading e90post and m3forum, for entertainment purpose solely
also, please take a look at youtube videos M5board.com has posted on youtube, have fun and enjoy!

yooker

I heard that if domestic cars run on DRs they get put into the OUTLAW class. Is this true?

MHP

Absolutely not.

paulGT3

Great statement!! I have found in 8 years of supercar ownership, and then starting to meddle in the BMW world that the M3 owners on those two boards to be the most myopic people outside of the Oakland Raider fans whom think the Raiders have won the last 40 Superbowls. I really dont know how else to put it. They are SO far out in left field that even people from THIS planet cant talk sense into these guys.
Before I bough the C63 and was considering the M3 I asked on the M3post board how do you compensate on the track for the lesser one piston brakes on the M3? OH MY GAWD!! You would have thought there was a terrorist attack on an M3 convention!!! I was attacked and crucified and skewered up one way and down the other. I have been to the track many times and have seen a few E90 M3s ALL have brake upgrades. When I asked the question on M3post All these miscreants came out of the primordial ooze and said the M3 brakes were the best brakes on the planet Krypton. When I finally got some of them to stop yelling at me and asked them how many track days they had on their cars the answer came out uh none. There just is no way to have a normal conversation with any of those guys unless they regularly track their cars. THOSE guys seem to be of the same DNA as our species does.
They seem to be well grounded and are capable of having a well rounded car discussion. But those whom havent been to the track and only house theirs in garages then there is no hope.
I like to have discussion with Corvette dude and Like to razz them but they will come down and finally talk turkey. Alot of them will go to a road course or drag strip. But again until the mother-ship comes and transports those non-tracking M3 owners back to their own galaxy getting on either of those 2 boards is a colossal waste of time