C63 in the rain...comparisons...
12-17-2008, 08:32 AM
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12-17-2008, 11:16 AM
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ALL high performance tires suck in the rain.
the tread design for SUMMER HIGH PERFORMANCE and WET PERFORMANCE is completely different.
You can't have both words all at once.
If you want "ALL SEASON" tires, then you should've bought a ****ing PRIUS or SUV.
Not a PERFORMANCE ORIENTED 500+HP race car.
the tread design for SUMMER HIGH PERFORMANCE and WET PERFORMANCE is completely different.
You can't have both words all at once.
If you want "ALL SEASON" tires, then you should've bought a ****ing PRIUS or SUV.
Not a PERFORMANCE ORIENTED 500+HP race car.
12-17-2008, 12:34 PM
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I don't think you are going to find an All-Weather High Performance tire that does well in all categories. Pirelli tires IMO does very for what it is (SUMMER) Look for example in F1 they have dry and wet tires, (No I’m saying that we are in the same category) some tires are better than others in the rain, no tire is perfect. On rain one thing is for sure if you are over speeding for the tire you have it on you are SOL. Just know what you have and understand its limitation.
12-17-2008, 12:49 PM
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First of all...you're a buttery anus. What does the type of car or its power output have to do with wet stability when going at a steady rate of speed on the highway like we were discussing before you rudely interceded. And even if the horsepower of the car was in question, which it isn't when there is a constant velocity and no acceleration, my Trans Am had over 500 rwhp you douche canoe...and it certainly wasn't a piece of crap. Not that you're opinion matters when you were stupid enough to drive a S2000....how was it having no torque under 10,000 rpm you taint towel (alliteration: +1).
Lastly...as many of us have stated on here.....while high performance tires are geared towards dry performance...that doesn't mean you need to give up at least decent, wet weather stability.
Lastly...as many of us have stated on here.....while high performance tires are geared towards dry performance...that doesn't mean you need to give up at least decent, wet weather stability.
12-17-2008, 12:49 PM
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I don't think you are going to find an All-Weather High Performance tire that does well in all categories. Pirelli tires IMO does very for what it is (SUMMER) Look for example in F1 they have dry and wet tires, (No I’m saying that we are in the same category) some tires are better than others in the rain, no tire is perfect. On rain one thing is for sure if you are over speeding for the tire you have it on you are SOL. Just know what you have and understand its limitation.
I'm looking for my next set of tires to be summer only high performance again. I never have to worry about snow here. I'm just looking for something with slightly more wet performance. This is all about degrees. For me it isn't something that is hard core ***** to the wall black and white as another poster (not you) suggested. I might check on the Michelins above or a Bridgestone tire next.
12-17-2008, 01:28 PM
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I'm looking for my next set of tires to be summer only high performance again. I never have to worry about snow here. I'm just looking for something with slightly more wet performance. This is all about degrees. For me it isn't something that is hard core ***** to the wall black and white as another poster (not you) suggested. I might check on the Michelins above or a Bridgestone tire next.
12-17-2008, 01:54 PM
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I don't get the term "summer" tires - it must not rain in the Summer where these tires are developed! 
But on topic, I get what the OP is saying. Ultra high performance/Summer/whatever you want to call them tires are made to have the best performance in dry conditions, not the wet. But you shouldn't be hydroplaning at 60 or 70 mph either, that's ridiculous!
But on topic, I get what the OP is saying. Ultra high performance/Summer/whatever you want to call them tires are made to have the best performance in dry conditions, not the wet. But you shouldn't be hydroplaning at 60 or 70 mph either, that's ridiculous!
12-18-2008, 02:56 AM
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I agree....but when talking specifically about stability in the rain at a constant highway speed...not much matters aside from the tire's ability to disperse water....
12-18-2008, 03:18 AM
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All I can say after so many years of high speed driving in dry and wet conditions on the autobahn in Germany that the Dunlops have served me very well.
12-18-2008, 07:12 AM
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Tires
I came out of a C36 shod with Bridgestone Fusion ZRi's. They were a Summer Ultra Performance tire but performed very well in the wet even though I rarely drove the AMG in the rain. I recently traded to a C32 AMG and it had Pirelli PZero's on it which is a Max Performance Summer tire. Both do fine in the dry but the Pirelli's are not as hooked up in the wet. Plus most AMG's alignment steering set up is more agressive and twichy for best turn-in response and cornering traction at the expense of some straight line stability. That makes wet or snowy driving exciting. If you are coming out of a non-AMG Benz or other mere mortal car, that alone will add to the Squirrilly feel. All the compromises are biased toward the performance side.
Both Bridgestone and Michelin have some decent all weather high performance options but the big wide tires on our cars do still hydroplane easier then little narrow tires, no matter whose rubber is installed. I perfer to avoid wet weather in the Benz but if unavoidable, then just back off a bit and it is fine.
Footnote, I even ran wet session track days on the Fusions with very good results. While they are a step below the PZero's and other Max Traction Summer tires, in a published tire test their wet performance was one of the best while retaining excellent dry traction. If I lived in the Pacific Northwest or other very rainy locale, it would be one of my first choices. My experience with the C63 is limited but more power only makes wet driving more challenging. ESP on is a must.
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Both Bridgestone and Michelin have some decent all weather high performance options but the big wide tires on our cars do still hydroplane easier then little narrow tires, no matter whose rubber is installed. I perfer to avoid wet weather in the Benz but if unavoidable, then just back off a bit and it is fine.
Footnote, I even ran wet session track days on the Fusions with very good results. While they are a step below the PZero's and other Max Traction Summer tires, in a published tire test their wet performance was one of the best while retaining excellent dry traction. If I lived in the Pacific Northwest or other very rainy locale, it would be one of my first choices. My experience with the C63 is limited but more power only makes wet driving more challenging. ESP on is a must.
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12-22-2008, 03:20 PM
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Don't agree!
ALL high performance tires suck in the rain.
the tread design for SUMMER HIGH PERFORMANCE and WET PERFORMANCE is completely different.
You can't have both words all at once.
If you want "ALL SEASON" tires, then you should've bought a ****ing PRIUS or SUV.
Not a PERFORMANCE ORIENTED 500+HP race car.
the tread design for SUMMER HIGH PERFORMANCE and WET PERFORMANCE is completely different.
You can't have both words all at once.
If you want "ALL SEASON" tires, then you should've bought a ****ing PRIUS or SUV.
Not a PERFORMANCE ORIENTED 500+HP race car.
Pics to follow!
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12-22-2008, 11:13 PM
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Falkens
The Falken tires are also available in the US. I have not checked to see if they can be had is sizes to fit the C63. I raced SCCA auto-x on Falkens in a MR2 turbo for years cause they were one of the few performance tires to fit the small factory rims. When hot they stuck well on dry pavement but I found them to be only OK in the wet. The Fusion ZRi was better in the wet and just as good in the dry. I don't sell tires and have not tested everyting out there. I am sure there are others that are as good or better.
I will restate, I am NOT at all impressed with the Pirellis.
I will restate, I am NOT at all impressed with the Pirellis.
12-23-2008, 05:37 PM
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Does the c63 only come with pirellis or is it a crap shoot between 2? back when I had the M3 i remember they came with either pilot sports or conti sport contacts...no choice of course
12-23-2008, 05:44 PM
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now thats funny
