Got beaten by a cts-v 2009.
09-15-2009, 01:53 PM
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have you looked at our economy....American made cars are being purchased for 45k and not even a year later are worth 17k...That is not happening to German cars such as MB and BMW....Chrysler is now owned by Fiat and due to Chrysler going bankrupt, GM is being affected as well.
09-15-2009, 02:09 PM
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Ricer math...always has been, always will be. What's to stop the CTS-V guy from putting less than $2k into his car and showing you his tail lights all day long? Not too hard to get ~550-600rwhp out of those cars.
LOL...MB depreciation is sickening! I bought my 03 CL for about the same price as an 04 CTS-V with similiar miles. I know they are a year apart...but the CL was over double MSRP.
LOL...MB depreciation is sickening! I bought my 03 CL for about the same price as an 04 CTS-V with similiar miles. I know they are a year apart...but the CL was over double MSRP.
The only thing that will keep it cheaper to mod is GM part. Much cheaper to mod, but still not getting those numbers for 2K.You must be with the other guy who said a tune and a pulley will give the CTSV 700HP.
Not to hard to get 550-600rwhp out of the C63 either and I have a 6K head start. A tune and a Supercharger on the C63 will probably put it somewhere around 620HP+
Love to see someone do it.$1500 into the C63 nets 520+ HP and puts it right next to if not ahead of the CTSV. Again... Ill take my 6K in savings. A much better name and quality and put $1500 of it into the C63 and be right next to the CTSV with a better product.
Rice math....
09-15-2009, 02:14 PM
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09-15-2009, 02:23 PM
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Few things.
1. Regardless of whether you think the C63 is at the "bottom of its engine potential", you are comparing it to a blown engine of the same capacity. The blown engine will make more power, mod for mod, any day of the week. If you want to get into modding, it will get ugly for the C63, very quickly.
2. Gm build a damn fine vehicle, and I'm sure you've noticed that MB isn't all that high in quality ratings either.
3. Maybe it used to be the case that nothing said I made it like an MB. Now any schmuck with $400 a month can get into a C-Class. Since non-car people have no idea of the difference between a C300 and a C63, I doubt you are having that "i've made it" impact. A new S63? then I'd agree with your point.
4. Ok, its an old man's car that can put the hurt on a boyracer C63. Whats your point?
5. disagree.
Finally, its commonly recognized that 1/10th is 1 car length.
1. Regardless of whether you think the C63 is at the "bottom of its engine potential", you are comparing it to a blown engine of the same capacity. The blown engine will make more power, mod for mod, any day of the week. If you want to get into modding, it will get ugly for the C63, very quickly.
2. Gm build a damn fine vehicle, and I'm sure you've noticed that MB isn't all that high in quality ratings either.
3. Maybe it used to be the case that nothing said I made it like an MB. Now any schmuck with $400 a month can get into a C-Class. Since non-car people have no idea of the difference between a C300 and a C63, I doubt you are having that "i've made it" impact. A new S63? then I'd agree with your point.
4. Ok, its an old man's car that can put the hurt on a boyracer C63. Whats your point?
5. disagree.
Finally, its commonly recognized that 1/10th is 1 car length.
1. Now tune and supercharge the C63 and start modding both cars.
2. MB has a much better track record than GM. Thats why GM went belly up.
3. and $75 a month can get you into a GM. Your point?
4. Its an old mans can that is fast. At the finish line its still a GM next to a MB. Its like a rice boy beating a Ferrari. Who cares if the ricers wins. The guy in the Ferrari is getting all the *** that night.
5. What do you disagree about? The only difference in looks between a 40K CTS and a V is the little V on the bottom right and side.
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09-15-2009, 02:43 PM
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LOL.. your not getting 550-600rwhp out of the CTSV with 2K. Its already Supercharged so your talking big time engine work to achive those numbers. The only thing that will keep it cheaper to mod is GM part. Much cheaper to mod, but still not getting those numbers for 2K.
You must be with the other guy who said a tune and a pulley will give the CTSV 700HP.
Not to hard to get 550-600rwhp out of the C63 either and I have a 6K head start. A tune and a Supercharger on the C63 will probably put it somewhere around 620HP+ Love to see someone do it.
$1500 into the C63 nets 520+ HP and puts it right next to if not ahead of the CTSV. Again... Ill take my 6K in savings. A much better name and quality and put $1500 of it into the C63 and be right next to the CTSV with a better product.
Rice math....
The only thing that will keep it cheaper to mod is GM part. Much cheaper to mod, but still not getting those numbers for 2K.You must be with the other guy who said a tune and a pulley will give the CTSV 700HP.
Not to hard to get 550-600rwhp out of the C63 either and I have a 6K head start. A tune and a Supercharger on the C63 will probably put it somewhere around 620HP+
Love to see someone do it.$1500 into the C63 nets 520+ HP and puts it right next to if not ahead of the CTSV. Again... Ill take my 6K in savings. A much better name and quality and put $1500 of it into the C63 and be right next to the CTSV with a better product.
Rice math....
09-15-2009, 02:46 PM
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Yup.. $8,000.
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...-dyno-run.html
No question the CTSV is a beast. As you can see in my sig ive been driving GM for a long time. My 04 CTSV is the only car I have ever sold due to quality.
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...-dyno-run.html
No question the CTSV is a beast. As you can see in my sig ive been driving GM for a long time. My 04 CTSV is the only car I have ever sold due to quality.
09-15-2009, 02:48 PM
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have you looked at our economy....American made cars are being purchased for 45k and not even a year later are worth 17k...That is not happening to German cars such as MB and BMW....Chrysler is now owned by Fiat and due to Chrysler going bankrupt, GM is being affected as well.
09-15-2009, 02:51 PM
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Yup.. $8,000.
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...-dyno-run.html
No question the CTSV is a beast. As you can see in my sig ive been driving GM for a long time. My 04 CTSV is the only car I have ever sold due to quality.
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...-dyno-run.html
No question the CTSV is a beast. As you can see in my sig ive been driving GM for a long time. My 04 CTSV is the only car I have ever sold due to quality.
09-15-2009, 02:54 PM
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If you can show me someone who paid 5K and a dyno sheet ill believe you. Until then im sticking to the facts I have.
09-15-2009, 02:57 PM
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Dude...it's just an LSx engine with a factory supercharger vs aftermarket ATI etc. The pulley is the only difference in this equation.
09-15-2009, 02:59 PM
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The CL is one of the worst MB as far as holding value from what ive seen. Thats crazy though... A 2003 C300 with 70K miles on it will sell for 14K.
09-15-2009, 03:00 PM
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I like some also looked at the new CTS-V but decided on the 63 AMG. My everyday car before the 63 was a 07 CTS-V. It only had the 6.0L 400 hp with a few mods. Stainless Works headers and catback,cold air intake and a HP tune. Was it fun and did it surprise a lot of people? Hell yes. But soon as I sat in the MB and started it up I knew which way I was going. I feel the 63 is much more refined, I'm not cramped in it, I love to drive it and it will run with most anything out there. Is the CTS-V a nice car, sure it is. It just had to many short coming for me compared the the MB. BTW: I played with one the other night and he just ran away from me. He's supercharged, I'm not and I live above 8000ft where the DA is above 10,000ft some days. From the results I've seen on the forum the 63 responds nicely to mods. Looks like it's time for some long tubes,tune and filters.
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09-15-2009, 03:00 PM
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09-15-2009, 03:22 PM
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LOL.. your not getting 550-600rwhp out of the CTSV with 2K. Its already Supercharged so your talking big time engine work to achive those numbersI guess you haven't seen a C32, SLK32, S55 or E55, etc, etc pulley lately . The only thing that will keep it cheaper to mod is GM part. Much cheaper to mod, but still not getting those numbers for 2K.
You must be with the other guy who said a tune and a pulley will give the CTSV 700HP.
Not to hard to get 550-600rwhp out of the C63 either Please show me one my friendand I have a 6K head start. A tune and a Supercharger on the C63 will probably put it somewhere around 620HP+ Hasn't been done yet, WHY you ask, because the compression ratio is too high Love to see someone do it.
$1500 into the C63 nets 520+ HP and puts it right next to if not ahead of the CTSV. Again... Ill take my 6K in savings. A much better name and quality and put $1500 of it into the C63 and be right next to the CTSV with a better product.
Rice math....
. The only thing that will keep it cheaper to mod is GM part. Much cheaper to mod, but still not getting those numbers for 2K.You must be with the other guy who said a tune and a pulley will give the CTSV 700HP.
Not to hard to get 550-600rwhp out of the C63 either Please show me one my friendand I have a 6K head start. A tune and a Supercharger on the C63 will probably put it somewhere around 620HP+ Hasn't been done yet, WHY you ask, because the compression ratio is too high
Love to see someone do it.$1500 into the C63 nets 520+ HP and puts it right next to if not ahead of the CTSV. Again... Ill take my 6K in savings. A much better name and quality and put $1500 of it into the C63 and be right next to the CTSV with a better product.
Rice math....
I love my MB's, ALL OF THEM, but guess what the CTSV is a winner.
Oh well
09-15-2009, 03:36 PM
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You figure this out yet "My Friend"
09-15-2009, 04:02 PM
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BTW-any luck in finding Brabus Mono V reps?
09-15-2009, 04:17 PM
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Maybe one lead on the Mono V's
...and the tune/headers I was referring to were in regards to the CTS-V. FI LSx dyno tunes are typically $600-700, and good headers are in the $1200 range.
Propain...just because ONE guy spent that much money does not mean everyone has to spend the same. Some people make bad money decisions...doesn't mean that's the only way to get the same result. Pullies for MBs are high; but for instance, Cobra pullies can be had for only a few hundred.
09-15-2009, 04:22 PM
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have you looked at our economy....American made cars are being purchased for 45k and not even a year later are worth 17k...That is not happening to German cars such as MB and BMW....Chrysler is now owned by Fiat and due to Chrysler going bankrupt, GM is being affected as well.
Its already Supercharged so your talking big time engine work to achive those numbers. The only thing that will keep it cheaper to mod is GM part. Much cheaper to mod, but still not getting those numbers for 2K.
You must be with the other guy who said a tune and a pulley will give the CTSV 700HP.
Not to hard to get 550-600rwhp out of the C63 either and I have a 6K head start. A tune and a Supercharger on the C63 will probably put it somewhere around 620HP+
Rice math....
The only thing that will keep it cheaper to mod is GM part. Much cheaper to mod, but still not getting those numbers for 2K.You must be with the other guy who said a tune and a pulley will give the CTSV 700HP.
Not to hard to get 550-600rwhp out of the C63 either and I have a 6K head start. A tune and a Supercharger on the C63 will probably put it somewhere around 620HP+
Rice math....
1. Now tune and supercharge the C63 and start modding both cars.
2. MB has a much better track record than GM. Thats why GM went belly up.
3. and $75 a month can get you into a GM. Your point?
4. Its an old mans can that is fast. At the finish line its still a GM next to a MB. Its like a rice boy beating a Ferrari. Who cares if the ricers wins. The guy in the Ferrari is getting all the *** that night.
5. What do you disagree about? The only difference in looks between a 40K CTS and a V is the little V on the bottom right and side.
Finally.... GM forum ----------------------->
2. MB has a much better track record than GM. Thats why GM went belly up.
3. and $75 a month can get you into a GM. Your point?
4. Its an old mans can that is fast. At the finish line its still a GM next to a MB. Its like a rice boy beating a Ferrari. Who cares if the ricers wins. The guy in the Ferrari is getting all the *** that night.
5. What do you disagree about? The only difference in looks between a 40K CTS and a V is the little V on the bottom right and side.
Finally.... GM forum ----------------------->
1. The CTSV comes from the factory with a supercharger, the C63 does not. Henceforth, adding a supercharger to the C63 would be modding. Adding a blower is not like adding a K&N. It takes time, and a hell of a lot of money. Not to mention adding a blower has voided your drivetrain warranty. So that voids that point.
2. Thats not why GM went bankrupt. They sold more cars than any other company for many years. They had a bloated cost structure and bad perception based on cars from the 80s/early 90s. They produce fine car lately.
3. Thats exactly my point. Neither C class mercedes or Cadillacs are any sort of "i've made it" status symbol. Bentley's, rolls royces, etc are more in that range. Even a maserati maybe because they don't make a "cheap" model for "everyman".
4. I believe the whole point of this post was speed an acceleration, was it not? Yes, MB has more prestige than cadillac. It seems like people on this forum are more obsessed with speed and racing then polishing their MB emblems.
Furthermore, I hope you are not so pathetic as to attempt to use a car to attract women. Thats a stupid argument and has no place in this discussion.
A C-Class mercedes is not THAT much nicer than a CTSV. In fact, the CTSV uses far superior interior materials.
5. CTSV differences are wheels, grille, front fascia, side fascia, rear fascia, and possibly hood, as well as interior
C63 differences are hood, front fascia, grille, side fasica, wheels, and rear fascia.
Seems that the differences are about the same.
09-15-2009, 04:29 PM
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Maybe one lead on the Mono V's
...and the tune/headers I was referring to were in regards to the CTS-V. FI LSx dyno tunes are typically $600-700, and good headers are in the $1200 range.
Propain...just because ONE guy spent that much money does not mean everyone has to spend the same. Some people make bad money decisions...doesn't mean that's the only way to get the same result. Pullies for MBs are high; but for instance, Cobra pullies can be had for only a few hundred.
...and the tune/headers I was referring to were in regards to the CTS-V. FI LSx dyno tunes are typically $600-700, and good headers are in the $1200 range.
Propain...just because ONE guy spent that much money does not mean everyone has to spend the same. Some people make bad money decisions...doesn't mean that's the only way to get the same result. Pullies for MBs are high; but for instance, Cobra pullies can be had for only a few hundred.
I really dont care dude.
Honestly I dont. The CTSV is a sweet car with a lot of power. In the end stock for stock its only 2 10ths faster than the C63 for 6K more. 2 10th's to me is not worth 6K and a GM badge. Ill take that 6K and take the 6K that you would put into the CTSV and I wonder who would come out on top. Honestly I do.
09 C63 with 12K in mods I wonder how much power I could get out of her.
09-15-2009, 04:31 PM
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I really dont care dude. Honestly I dont. The CTSV is a sweet car with a lot of power. In the end stock for stock its only 2 10ths faster than the C63 for 6K more. 2 10th's to me is not worth 6K and a GM badge.
Ill take that 6K and take the 6K that you would put into the CTSV and I wonder who would come out on top. Honestly I do.
09 C63 with 12K in mods I wonder how much power I could get out of her.
Honestly I dont. The CTSV is a sweet car with a lot of power. In the end stock for stock its only 2 10ths faster than the C63 for 6K more. 2 10th's to me is not worth 6K and a GM badge. Ill take that 6K and take the 6K that you would put into the CTSV and I wonder who would come out on top. Honestly I do.
09 C63 with 12K in mods I wonder how much power I could get out of her.
You could buy a used 204 C300, and drop a used E55 engine in it, and kick everyone's *** for way less money.
Hell, swap C300 for pinto. Once modifications come into the picture, you can't start arguing about the cost.
09-15-2009, 04:52 PM
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Your own link says 3,648
$180k Sl600s sell for $70k 3 years later.
The only ricer math here is your own. The LSA is built for boost. Creating more power is simply a matter of running a smaller pulley. I'm sorry, but 550rwhp out of a supercharged 6.2L is way cheaper and easier than doing it with an N/A V8. Btw, Kleeman supercharger kits run about $15k, and thats for the widely used M113.
Gm emerged from bankruptcy a while ago. You may be a bit behind.
Interesting post.
1. The CTSV comes from the factory with a supercharger, the C63 does not. Henceforth, adding a supercharger to the C63 would be modding. Adding a blower is not like adding a K&N. It takes time, and a hell of a lot of money. Not to mention adding a blower has voided your drivetrain warranty. So that voids that point.
2. Thats not why GM went bankrupt. They sold more cars than any other company for many years. They had a bloated cost structure and bad perception based on cars from the 80s/early 90s. They produce fine car lately.
3. Thats exactly my point. Neither C class mercedes or Cadillacs are any sort of "i've made it" status symbol. Bentley's, rolls royces, etc are more in that range. Even a maserati maybe because they don't make a "cheap" model for "everyman".
4. I believe the whole point of this post was speed an acceleration, was it not? Yes, MB has more prestige than cadillac. It seems like people on this forum are more obsessed with speed and racing then polishing their MB emblems.
Furthermore, I hope you are not so pathetic as to attempt to use a car to attract women. Thats a stupid argument and has no place in this discussion.
A C-Class mercedes is not THAT much nicer than a CTSV. In fact, the CTSV uses far superior interior materials.
5. CTSV differences are wheels, grille, front fascia, side fascia, rear fascia, and possibly hood, as well as interior
C63 differences are hood, front fascia, grille, side fasica, wheels, and rear fascia.
Seems that the differences are about the same.
$180k Sl600s sell for $70k 3 years later.
The only ricer math here is your own. The LSA is built for boost. Creating more power is simply a matter of running a smaller pulley. I'm sorry, but 550rwhp out of a supercharged 6.2L is way cheaper and easier than doing it with an N/A V8. Btw, Kleeman supercharger kits run about $15k, and thats for the widely used M113.
Gm emerged from bankruptcy a while ago. You may be a bit behind.
Interesting post.
1. The CTSV comes from the factory with a supercharger, the C63 does not. Henceforth, adding a supercharger to the C63 would be modding. Adding a blower is not like adding a K&N. It takes time, and a hell of a lot of money. Not to mention adding a blower has voided your drivetrain warranty. So that voids that point.
2. Thats not why GM went bankrupt. They sold more cars than any other company for many years. They had a bloated cost structure and bad perception based on cars from the 80s/early 90s. They produce fine car lately.
3. Thats exactly my point. Neither C class mercedes or Cadillacs are any sort of "i've made it" status symbol. Bentley's, rolls royces, etc are more in that range. Even a maserati maybe because they don't make a "cheap" model for "everyman".
4. I believe the whole point of this post was speed an acceleration, was it not? Yes, MB has more prestige than cadillac. It seems like people on this forum are more obsessed with speed and racing then polishing their MB emblems.
Furthermore, I hope you are not so pathetic as to attempt to use a car to attract women. Thats a stupid argument and has no place in this discussion.
A C-Class mercedes is not THAT much nicer than a CTSV. In fact, the CTSV uses far superior interior materials.
5. CTSV differences are wheels, grille, front fascia, side fascia, rear fascia, and possibly hood, as well as interior
C63 differences are hood, front fascia, grille, side fasica, wheels, and rear fascia.
Seems that the differences are about the same.
The difference in looks I disagree. There is so little visual difference from the CTS to the CTSV you have to get right up on one to see it. Not so with the C63.
Im married with 2 kids. I don’t use cars to attract woman, but I get a HELL of a lot more attention from woman in my MB than I ever did in my Caddy.
Better quality interior? I think your talking out of your ***. I can show you posts on the GM forum from my 04 CTSV. That car pretty much fell apart monthly for the 4 years I owned it.
The reason GM went under was because of its union. That’s why they filed bankruptcy so they could restructure it.
In the end the CTSV is a nice car. Its also very fast. 2 10ths faster than the C63 for 6K more. Ill take the C63 and the shiny MB emblem and put $1500 into it and be just as fast as the CTSV with a better product.
09-15-2009, 04:55 PM
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Are you kidding? With these cars its all about cost. Most bang for the buck.
