B512M

Is the E63 quicker than a 'tuned' C63 ? Or how does both compare when 'tuned' I wonder ? Has anyone test driven the E63 ?

propain

Not sure on the speed. E63 probably about the same, maybe a little slower due to it being heavier.

The E63 is by far a sweeter ride though. Way more luxurious.

Jons95c36amg

My friend has the 08 E63 I did walk him at topend with my stock C63. The E63 exhaust is quiet compared to the C63s. The C63 has stiffer suspension meaning better handling. So the C63 is more of a raw car. E63 is more towards luxury.

gsrjc

if you got the money, go for it.

propain

How did that answer his question at all?

GMW

I drove an E63 late last year and by seat of the pants feel, the C63 feels quicker and rawer. However, the E63 if more comfortable, though obviously bigger.

It all depends on what you want? C63 has louder exhaust too but the E63 also has a nice exhaust, not as quiet as the E55 Kompressors.

Sincity

Felt the same way when we drove them during the AMG tour last year. The C felt more "raw" and was the popular car amongst the others they brought to the event.

KCviper

I spent a lot of time looking/driving the E63 before buying the C63. Interior is certainly more lux than the C, but the C is more sporty, which is what I was after. I don't like the way the leather is wrinkled on the E63 doors.......

taylorcoleman

I ordered a 2010 E63, but did not take delivery after driving it. Although a beautiful -- even stunning car from the inside and out -- it lacked the driving excitement of the C63.

Plus, and I learned the hard way -- buying a brand new AMG is not wise. If I were to buy another AMG, it will be a CPO. I think they are the #1 (or close to it) depreciating brand. I think a 2010 E63 recently went through auction for low $80s ($100K MSRP).

But before I get off the brand new thing...of course if you want to be the first owner, and the car spec'd exactly as you want it, sure...new is the only way to go.

So it really came down to a $45K delta. My C63 for $55K plus $45K in cash for my then, E63. The E63 was not worth $45K to me.

Also, the new transmission was nice, but not as responsive as I had hoped. The new Porsche PDK transmission is incredible and so I compared it to that -- and it fell short.

PC Valkyrie

Although many of you here feel the C63 is a better handling/more nimble car than the E63, the objective data does not support that conclusion.

Looking at all the skidpad, lane change, and figure 8 test numbers from C&D and Motortrend, the E63 posts almost identical (if not better) numbers than the C63 from a handling point of view.

Furthermore, both Car magazine and Motortrend have pitted the E63 against the CTS-V on a twisty racetrack and the E63 was neck and neck (if not a touch faster) with the CTS-V in both tests (and we all know the CTS-V is quite a performer on a twisty track).

The final piece of evidence comes from the latest Sport Auto Supertest, where the E63 was tested at the Nurburgring and Hockenheim. With the same driver, the E63 was 3 seconds faster than the C63 on the Ring (8:10 vs 8:13), and the rumour is that it was a full 1.7 seconds faster than the C63 at Hockenheim (1:14.0 vs 1:15.7). And yes, the E63 was obviously faster than the E60 M5 on both tracks.

I'm quite impressed by the handling prowess of the W212 E63. Even though it may "feel less sporty", it seems to grip/perform better than the C63 objectively. It seems to do EVERYTHING quite well.....more spacious luxury, straight line speed, and handle.

Even Money

I'm sure the extra rubber at 255/285 doesn't hurt. The e63 is no doubt nice, I just thought it was too big. I simply like the smaller c class, and the seats were a huge plus.

Jons95c36amg

Well not the case if your C63 has the P30-stiffer suspension. Mine has a borderline brutal ride.

PC Valkyrie

I completely agree with you that the significantly wider rubber on the stock E63 may be a factor.

There is actually very little evidence that a C63 equipped with the performance package actually laps any faster than a C63 without one. There have been more than one instance where people who have tested the C63 with the performance package state that the car bounces around a little too much, resulting in less grip when exiting corners which are a little bumpy.

Again, my point is that what you FEEL may be faster actually may not coincide with actual pace. If you ever track your car, you'll know that a super stiff suspension doesn't automatically mean you can corner faster. It's about reducing body roll, while maintaining the contact patch of the tires on the road as much as possible.

yaymitch

I would get the Porsche Panamera Turbo before the E63 if speed is what you are looking for. The Porsche is getting discontinued though and it is not as good looking as the E63.

NickZag

Great points. As soon as it's bouncy it's causing your tires to lose grip and making the car unstable and causes you to fight the car a lot more.

hhughes1

[QUOTE=yaymitch;3963856]I would get the Porsche Panamera Turbo before the E63 if speed is what you are looking for. The Porsche is getting discontinued though and it is not as good looking as the E63.[/QUOTE

I would never by something that ugly especially at $170,000+ even if I could afford it. What really has my interest is the next gen M5/M6, I would not be at all surprised if the bar gets significantly raised.

NickZag

The Panamera is suppose to be a great drivers car, but I agree with you. I couldn't walk into my garage and look at that thing on a daily basis. It's like a fat chick, the ride might be fun, but you still have to look at her.

FlyC63

My C63 is tuned with K2/Singh. My E63 is bone stock. We did multiple runs from 30-140mph...C63 had a 250lb passenger and i was solo in the E63..We were dead even up to 140. Now when that passenger got in the E the C63 won by 3CL. My conclusion is modded C63 will beat a stock E63 not by much maybe 1CL. I was very surprise how fast the E63 is. My modded C63 dyno on Dynojet @ 465 and E63 stock baseline dyno @ 455.
My dyno place #'s always run a little high but at least got the baseline on the E63.
Just got the Singh auto Tune on the E last week. Feels like i gain 20-30hp. Will do some
runs with the C and dyno soon. BTW you guys would be surprise how good the E handles and it's a very sporty comfortable ride.
BTW if i knew the TT was coming out i would not leased my E63!

dockt

Looks-wise, I kind of wished the E63 had the sportier grill of the C63 to match the new headlights (including the front MB hood badge). Also, the AMG front seats just aren't as aggressive as the C. Finally, the rear lights look like they came off of a Hyundai... I agree, I think the new M5 will make this thing look old really fast (performance I don't think will be that different, especially compared w/ the new MB TT-V8, all speculation).

Performance-wise, i just couldn't pay an extra $40k for a new 6.2, tranny, etc. And not really gain any time. Are there really $40k worth of improvements in there?

The extra rear seat room would be nice, though... My .02.

Case1906

The 2010 E63 is around 160 heavier than the C63. One might think there is a larger weigh differential just eye-balling the cars. This goes along way to explaining similar performance. At the end of the day, it's "tires, tires, tires".

B512M

Thanks for the advise guys. I'm glad the 'Pros' can give me some fair advice, although possibly biased ). Honestly, I bought the C for its looks and performance. Gave the the 'M' boys a run for their money after we get it tuned. I just thought that the E has a more sophisticated transmission and therefore possibly quicker than the the C.

ChrisC916

Before I bought my C63, I was having a hard time choosing between the C & the E coupe. I just thought the E coupe looked awesome with the Carlsson 1/5 revos. Plus, the E had a bunch of lux interior options that the C lacked. When I looked into what it would take to upgrade the E's engine, I found that Brabus wanted $30k to bring it up to 6.1L 430hp. I decided that was insane considering I could put that kind of $ into the C63 and make it an absolute dream machine. This was before the E63 was available. Just before I purchased my C, the dealership got their first E63. I was really disappointed when I found out that Merc was not going to make an E63 coupe, otherwise I probably would've gone that route.

I have to admit the E63 was a killer ride, but when you consider what the difference in price (about $30k) could ultimately do for the C63, it's kinda a no brainer which would come out better. That is one of the reasons mercedes de-tunes the C's engine to 451hp. They had to do something more to justify the huge difference in price. That info came from the dealership's manager by the way. After getting the Kleemann throttle body, headers, ECU, and LSD, plus a Renntech Carbon airbox and Carlsson wheels, I still had about $10k left to play with. So I had the workshop put Alcantara everywhere that wasn't leather on the interior, along with illuminating door sills. When it was all said and done, the cost still came in just under the out the door price of a fully loaded E63.

I'll post a couple pictures next week when I get it back, and let you guys decide which one you would rather have...

1st amg

Chris, I am sure there are lots of us waiting for your pics, sounds very interesting the route you took for you car.

racetested

[QUOTE=ChrisC916;3978761I'll post a couple pictures next week when I get it back, and let you guys decide which one you would rather have...[/QUOTE]

Yes, please post pics if you have the time. My decision lately is do I upgrade to a more luxurious model or do pretty much the same interior upgrades you did and may be happy with those.

Like many I like the smaller size of the C class but am wanting a more luxurious feel the higher end models offer.

mac911

The Es do have a more luxurious feel.

However, I think the C63 is more fun to drive. You have to see what is most important to you.