Why do stock GT-Rs run so much faster than stock C63s
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Very very few cars will match a GTR from a dig. When it walks a 750 BHP Evotech RS6 I am led to believe it holds a massive gearing advantage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv3tdZLQLAQ
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On figures and numbers, C63 can't be beaten.
Interior and build quality, C63 can't be beaten.
If you are talking about speed and handling, R35 is way different.
R35 is a supercar oriented sport coupe, while C63 is a well-defined premium sports sedan.
Two of them are completely different cars, so I guess if AMG is going to release a C63 DTM with different parts and tune ups, they should then be comparable.
At the time when AMG really has a C63 DTM, the cost of it will be very different. That's why people call the R35 as a budget supercar.
R35 is faster because all the parts it has are race oriented.
Interior and build quality, C63 can't be beaten.
If you are talking about speed and handling, R35 is way different.
R35 is a supercar oriented sport coupe, while C63 is a well-defined premium sports sedan.
Two of them are completely different cars, so I guess if AMG is going to release a C63 DTM with different parts and tune ups, they should then be comparable.
At the time when AMG really has a C63 DTM, the cost of it will be very different. That's why people call the R35 as a budget supercar.
R35 is faster because all the parts it has are race oriented.
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DUde I abuse GTR's of dig and roll it's even worse.
1 a stock c63 does 0-60 in under 4 sec. I did 12.1 at 116 myself in my car.
So if car and driver did 3.9 to 60 and 12.3 in a 1/4 then I should of been at 3.8 to 60 with my 12.1to 1/4.
Fully modded c63 did 0-60 in 3.2 sec and 8.4 from 60-130 at 1/4 mile in 11.2 at 125.
1 a stock c63 does 0-60 in under 4 sec. I did 12.1 at 116 myself in my car.
So if car and driver did 3.9 to 60 and 12.3 in a 1/4 then I should of been at 3.8 to 60 with my 12.1to 1/4.
Fully modded c63 did 0-60 in 3.2 sec and 8.4 from 60-130 at 1/4 mile in 11.2 at 125.
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Guys, i drive both cars, you cant compare a GTR to a C63... if we talk about mods just take a look at this
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0-60mph in 3.2 sec...really?
Maybe with DRs, but not on street tires, even with a fully locked diff. Running the 1/4 mi. or racing from a roll is one thing, but those GT-Rs are AWD and run 3.5 sec. on street tires!
With DRs, they may run 0-60mph ~ 3.2 sec., and when tuned, they may run 0-60mph ~ 3.0 sec. But, no, I don't think even a fully modded C63 AMG can run 0-60mph in 3.2 sec...still can't get enough power to the rear wheels without spinning for that.
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It's a joke to even compare the 2 cars. Stock for stock there is NO comparison. Start throwing in mods and it gets even worse...
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Guys, i drive both cars, you cant compare a GTR to a C63... if we talk about mods just take a look at this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTm8a...eature=related
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Just for comparison I raced a 2010 E550 4matic and with my tires not being in the best of condition led me to fall behind 1.5 car length. I obviously caught up and passed but its ALL ABOUT PUTTING ALL YOUR POWER TO THE GROUND.
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It's funny to see you guys talk about c63 and GTR on paper. If you take them to the track, you'll know how monstrous GTR is, on straight away and corner.
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alqamzi...Turbo cars do have more mid-range TQ, but the HP keeps increasing (at a decreasing rate). Usually FI/Supercharged cars run rich from the factory, so after tuning you get the real potential out of the car + fix the powerband up by reducing TQ loss throughout the power band. You can even Tighten the wastegates to hold boost up better, so you can have 90% boost until 7000rpm for example so their wont be a lot of TQ loss. Basically, easy potential to have a lot more power, quicker, and keeping it much longer.
I would say GT-R wins because of a more track-friendly setup. The tires/width/traction. While the C63 loves to burn rubber. Both cars have a lot of powah!
I would say GT-R wins because of a more track-friendly setup. The tires/width/traction. While the C63 loves to burn rubber. Both cars have a lot of powah!
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0-60mph in 3.2 sec...really?
Maybe with DRs, but not on street tires, even with a fully locked diff. Running the 1/4 mi. or racing from a roll is one thing, but those GT-Rs are AWD and run 3.5 sec. on street tires!
With DRs, they may run 0-60mph ~ 3.2 sec., and when tuned, they may run 0-60mph ~ 3.0 sec. But, no, I don't think even a fully modded C63 AMG can run 0-60mph in 3.2 sec...still can't get enough power to the rear wheels without spinning for that.
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Just sameone mentions a fully modded c63 will do 0-60 in 4.3ish
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The only way a c63 would win in to be fully modded and the GTR to be stock. If the GTR is worked good bye c63.
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Is this a trick question---C63 is no comparison
I own a GTR...Have driven many C63'S and owned one for a short time...currently own 3 AMG'S....
I do not like the C63...unless it is $25k..i think of it as a overpriced rental car with a big motor...sorry but for the guy who blows his wad on a new C63 could of had a GTR for less which gets exotic car attention and will HOLD ITS VALUE..production halts in 2012....
A used C63 can be had for under $40k now..still too high since you can buy a Cl65 FOR THAT and it is 10x the car period....
Ok now back to topic and no more picking on the rental car
GTR does 0-60 in 2.4 sec with $2000 in mods...and will run the 1/4 in 10.8@130mph in 60 degree temps...all day long
NOTHING short of a 1000 cc bike or 9 second drag car can beat a GTR on the street...I have beaten F430's,Gallardos,Z06's and even a Bugatti Veyron to 70mph(he wasnt using launch control..and after 70 my car was toast)
WHY? double clutch tranny....4wd and superior engineering PERIOD...
Oh and by the way the GTR has an identical CD or air drag rating as good as the most aerodynamic Lambo built....so it cuts the wind as good as it hauls ***
the C63 and GTR weigh the same
what is cost to make a C63 turn good times in the 1/4 is ridiculous ......
I do not like the C63...unless it is $25k..i think of it as a overpriced rental car with a big motor...sorry but for the guy who blows his wad on a new C63 could of had a GTR for less which gets exotic car attention and will HOLD ITS VALUE..production halts in 2012....
A used C63 can be had for under $40k now..still too high since you can buy a Cl65 FOR THAT and it is 10x the car period....
Ok now back to topic and no more picking on the rental car
GTR does 0-60 in 2.4 sec with $2000 in mods...and will run the 1/4 in 10.8@130mph in 60 degree temps...all day long
NOTHING short of a 1000 cc bike or 9 second drag car can beat a GTR on the street...I have beaten F430's,Gallardos,Z06's and even a Bugatti Veyron to 70mph(he wasnt using launch control..and after 70 my car was toast)
WHY? double clutch tranny....4wd and superior engineering PERIOD...
Oh and by the way the GTR has an identical CD or air drag rating as good as the most aerodynamic Lambo built....so it cuts the wind as good as it hauls ***
the C63 and GTR weigh the same
what is cost to make a C63 turn good times in the 1/4 is ridiculous ......
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'09 C63 AMG
I own a GTR...Have driven many C63'S and owned one for a short time...currently own 3 AMG'S....
I do not like the C63...unless it is $25k..i think of it as a overpriced rental car with a big motor...sorry but for the guy who blows his wad on a new C63 could of had a GTR for less which gets exotic car attention and will HOLD ITS VALUE..production halts in 2012....
A used C63 can be had for under $40k now..still too high since you can buy a Cl65 FOR THAT and it is 10x the car period....
Ok now back to topic and no more picking on the rental car
GTR does 0-60 in 2.4 sec with $2000 in mods...and will run the 1/4 in 10.8@130mph in 60 degree temps...all day long
NOTHING short of a 1000 cc bike or 9 second drag car can beat a GTR on the street...I have beaten F430's,Gallardos,Z06's and even a Bugatti Veyron to 70mph(he wasnt using launch control..and after 70 my car was toast)
WHY? double clutch tranny....4wd and superior engineering PERIOD...
Oh and by the way the GTR has an identical CD or air drag rating as good as the most aerodynamic Lambo built....so it cuts the wind as good as it hauls ***
the C63 and GTR weigh the same
what is cost to make a C63 turn good times in the 1/4 is ridiculous ......
I do not like the C63...unless it is $25k..i think of it as a overpriced rental car with a big motor...sorry but for the guy who blows his wad on a new C63 could of had a GTR for less which gets exotic car attention and will HOLD ITS VALUE..production halts in 2012....
A used C63 can be had for under $40k now..still too high since you can buy a Cl65 FOR THAT and it is 10x the car period....
Ok now back to topic and no more picking on the rental car
GTR does 0-60 in 2.4 sec with $2000 in mods...and will run the 1/4 in 10.8@130mph in 60 degree temps...all day long
NOTHING short of a 1000 cc bike or 9 second drag car can beat a GTR on the street...I have beaten F430's,Gallardos,Z06's and even a Bugatti Veyron to 70mph(he wasnt using launch control..and after 70 my car was toast)
WHY? double clutch tranny....4wd and superior engineering PERIOD...
Oh and by the way the GTR has an identical CD or air drag rating as good as the most aerodynamic Lambo built....so it cuts the wind as good as it hauls ***
the C63 and GTR weigh the same
what is cost to make a C63 turn good times in the 1/4 is ridiculous ......
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However, I wouldn't exactly call a C63 AMG a "overpriced rental car with a big motor." That is reserved for cars such as a Chrysler SRT-8 and such.
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btw -- haven't seen any C63 AMG's for < $40k, but if you find one w/ low mileage, let me know...maybe I'll buy another.
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I own a GTR...Have driven many C63'S and owned one for a short time...currently own 3 AMG'S....
I do not like the C63...unless it is $25k..i think of it as a overpriced rental car with a big motor...sorry but for the guy who blows his wad on a new C63 could of had a GTR for less which gets exotic car attention and will HOLD ITS VALUE..production halts in 2012....
A used C63 can be had for under $40k now..still too high since you can buy a Cl65 FOR THAT and it is 10x the car period....
Ok now back to topic and no more picking on the rental car
GTR does 0-60 in 2.4 sec with $2000 in mods...and will run the 1/4 in 10.8@130mph in 60 degree temps...all day long
NOTHING short of a 1000 cc bike or 9 second drag car can beat a GTR on the street...I have beaten F430's,Gallardos,Z06's and even a Bugatti Veyron to 70mph(he wasnt using launch control..and after 70 my car was toast)
WHY? double clutch tranny....4wd and superior engineering PERIOD...
Oh and by the way the GTR has an identical CD or air drag rating as good as the most aerodynamic Lambo built....so it cuts the wind as good as it hauls ***
the C63 and GTR weigh the same
what is cost to make a C63 turn good times in the 1/4 is ridiculous ......
I do not like the C63...unless it is $25k..i think of it as a overpriced rental car with a big motor...sorry but for the guy who blows his wad on a new C63 could of had a GTR for less which gets exotic car attention and will HOLD ITS VALUE..production halts in 2012....
A used C63 can be had for under $40k now..still too high since you can buy a Cl65 FOR THAT and it is 10x the car period....
Ok now back to topic and no more picking on the rental car
GTR does 0-60 in 2.4 sec with $2000 in mods...and will run the 1/4 in 10.8@130mph in 60 degree temps...all day long
NOTHING short of a 1000 cc bike or 9 second drag car can beat a GTR on the street...I have beaten F430's,Gallardos,Z06's and even a Bugatti Veyron to 70mph(he wasnt using launch control..and after 70 my car was toast)
WHY? double clutch tranny....4wd and superior engineering PERIOD...
Oh and by the way the GTR has an identical CD or air drag rating as good as the most aerodynamic Lambo built....so it cuts the wind as good as it hauls ***
the C63 and GTR weigh the same
what is cost to make a C63 turn good times in the 1/4 is ridiculous ......
The C63 and GTR are simply not the same. I have a family and need 4 doors? Would the GTR suit me? No. Is it faster, yes. But then what sense would it make for me? Anyways would I want to spend big bucks on a damn Nissan? The same company that makes the Sentra? Would I want to bust the transmission and round up paying 30K to replace it because I used their drag feature too many times?
As long as you think of actual comparables, not many 4 door sedans can handle even a 1500$ chipped C63 for under 60K new. Actually the only one I can think of is the Cadillac CTS-V when you think about new cars.
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You sound like quite a snob.
My bro has a stock '10 GT-R, a Lotus Elise w/ Nitrous and just ordered a Ferrari F430 coming in July.
My friend's tuned '10 GT-R is one of the fastest in FL...he has the Cobb AP custom tune, DPs, and a catless exhaust and ran 10.4 sec. @ 132mph!
I wouldn't challenge a GT-R modded or stock, from either a dig or a roll...they are just insanely fast no matter what...gearing, DCT, F/I tt, AWD, etc. make them that way. ![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
However, I wouldn't exactly call a C63 AMG a "overpriced rental car with a big motor." That is reserved for cars such as a Chrysler SRT-8 and such.
Some of us have worked very hard for many years to earn the right to own/drive an AMG, C-class or otherwise. So, please get off your high-horse and ditch the MB snobbery.
btw -- haven't seen any C63 AMG's for < $40k, but if you find one w/ low mileage, let me know...maybe I'll buy another.![Wink](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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However, I wouldn't exactly call a C63 AMG a "overpriced rental car with a big motor." That is reserved for cars such as a Chrysler SRT-8 and such.
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btw -- haven't seen any C63 AMG's for < $40k, but if you find one w/ low mileage, let me know...maybe I'll buy another.
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