My OE-tuning got it for fraction of that price. Oh yeah it pulls like a ****! WHOA!
which chip is better?
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,443
Likes: 2
From: Desert
02 CLK 55 AMG,09 C63 loaded with P30
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 3,317
Likes: 3
From: Northport N.Y.
2013 f250 6.7 diesel
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,762
Likes: 1
From: Queens, NY
04 w211 E55
Heres a link to pix and sound
.https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...-mufflers.html
Last edited by E55AMGGG04; Oct 1, 2010 at 09:19 PM.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,762
Likes: 1
From: Queens, NY
04 w211 E55
Your not coming to this track rental are you ? If not we definetly going to have set up a time n place thats convient for both of us. Will be interesting to see your car run with just tune only.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 4,437
Likes: 43
From: PDX
1999 C43, 2008 P30 E63, 2014 SQ5, 2024 Model Y Performance
Here is some interesting info:
Superlubricity - Kleemann K2 Tune, MHP Catless Headers, evosport pulley, Nitto Drag Radials
1.796 60', 11.744 @ 119.18 MPH (1/8th 7.595 @ 94.59 MPH)
B.E.R.U.A.N.G - Eurocharged Tune, Street Tires
2.044 60', 12.364 @ 115.45 MPH (1/8th 8.079 @ 91.42 MPH)
Avengerboater - Kleemann K2 Tune, MHP Catless Headers, Street Tires
2.281 60', 12.554 @ 119.17 MPH (1/8th 8.396 @ 93.81 MPH)
Even Money - Stock Tune, Nitto Drag Radials
1.916 60', 12.557 @ 111.37 MPH (1/8th 8.127 @ 88.33 MPH)
2.063 60', 12.710 @ 111.77 MPH (1/8th 8.293 @ 88.47 MPH)
Cek - Stock P31 Tune, Street Tires
2.118 60', 12.584 @ 114.31 MPH (1/8th 8.260 @ 90.64 MPH)
2.396 60', 12.890 @ 115.26 MPH (1/8th 8.595 @ 90.95 MPH)
Nrgy - MHP Tune, MHP Catted Headers, Carbonio Airbox, Street Tires
2.300 60', 12.691 @ 118.79 MPH (1/8th 8.443 @ 91.90 MPH)
2.477 60', 12.990 @ 119.04 MPH (1/8th 8.761 @ 91.89 MPH)
All of these runs took place on the same day at the same track..... The 2nd quickest ET was a Eurocharged tune and only a tune.
Superlubricity - Kleemann K2 Tune, MHP Catless Headers, evosport pulley, Nitto Drag Radials
1.796 60', 11.744 @ 119.18 MPH (1/8th 7.595 @ 94.59 MPH)
B.E.R.U.A.N.G - Eurocharged Tune, Street Tires
2.044 60', 12.364 @ 115.45 MPH (1/8th 8.079 @ 91.42 MPH)
Avengerboater - Kleemann K2 Tune, MHP Catless Headers, Street Tires
2.281 60', 12.554 @ 119.17 MPH (1/8th 8.396 @ 93.81 MPH)
Even Money - Stock Tune, Nitto Drag Radials
1.916 60', 12.557 @ 111.37 MPH (1/8th 8.127 @ 88.33 MPH)
2.063 60', 12.710 @ 111.77 MPH (1/8th 8.293 @ 88.47 MPH)
Cek - Stock P31 Tune, Street Tires
2.118 60', 12.584 @ 114.31 MPH (1/8th 8.260 @ 90.64 MPH)
2.396 60', 12.890 @ 115.26 MPH (1/8th 8.595 @ 90.95 MPH)
Nrgy - MHP Tune, MHP Catted Headers, Carbonio Airbox, Street Tires
2.300 60', 12.691 @ 118.79 MPH (1/8th 8.443 @ 91.90 MPH)
2.477 60', 12.990 @ 119.04 MPH (1/8th 8.761 @ 91.89 MPH)
All of these runs took place on the same day at the same track..... The 2nd quickest ET was a Eurocharged tune and only a tune.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 3,317
Likes: 3
From: Northport N.Y.
2013 f250 6.7 diesel
Here is some interesting info:
Superlubricity - Kleemann K2 Tune, MHP Catless Headers, evosport pulley, Nitto Drag Radials
1.796 60', 11.744 @ 119.18 MPH (1/8th 7.595 @ 94.59 MPH)
B.E.R.U.A.N.G - Eurocharged Tune, Street Tires
2.044 60', 12.364 @ 115.45 MPH (1/8th 8.079 @ 91.42 MPH)
Avengerboater - Kleemann K2 Tune, MHP Catless Headers, Street Tires
2.281 60', 12.554 @ 119.17 MPH (1/8th 8.396 @ 93.81 MPH)
Even Money - Stock Tune, Nitto Drag Radials
1.916 60', 12.557 @ 111.37 MPH (1/8th 8.127 @ 88.33 MPH)
2.063 60', 12.710 @ 111.77 MPH (1/8th 8.293 @ 88.47 MPH)
Cek - Stock P31 Tune, Street Tires
2.118 60', 12.584 @ 114.31 MPH (1/8th 8.260 @ 90.64 MPH)
2.396 60', 12.890 @ 115.26 MPH (1/8th 8.595 @ 90.95 MPH)
Nrgy - MHP Tune, MHP Catted Headers, Carbonio Airbox, Street Tires
2.300 60', 12.691 @ 118.79 MPH (1/8th 8.443 @ 91.90 MPH)
2.477 60', 12.990 @ 119.04 MPH (1/8th 8.761 @ 91.89 MPH)
All of these runs took place on the same day at the same track..... The 2nd quickest ET was a Eurocharged tune and only a tune.
Superlubricity - Kleemann K2 Tune, MHP Catless Headers, evosport pulley, Nitto Drag Radials
1.796 60', 11.744 @ 119.18 MPH (1/8th 7.595 @ 94.59 MPH)
B.E.R.U.A.N.G - Eurocharged Tune, Street Tires
2.044 60', 12.364 @ 115.45 MPH (1/8th 8.079 @ 91.42 MPH)
Avengerboater - Kleemann K2 Tune, MHP Catless Headers, Street Tires
2.281 60', 12.554 @ 119.17 MPH (1/8th 8.396 @ 93.81 MPH)
Even Money - Stock Tune, Nitto Drag Radials
1.916 60', 12.557 @ 111.37 MPH (1/8th 8.127 @ 88.33 MPH)
2.063 60', 12.710 @ 111.77 MPH (1/8th 8.293 @ 88.47 MPH)
Cek - Stock P31 Tune, Street Tires
2.118 60', 12.584 @ 114.31 MPH (1/8th 8.260 @ 90.64 MPH)
2.396 60', 12.890 @ 115.26 MPH (1/8th 8.595 @ 90.95 MPH)
Nrgy - MHP Tune, MHP Catted Headers, Carbonio Airbox, Street Tires
2.300 60', 12.691 @ 118.79 MPH (1/8th 8.443 @ 91.90 MPH)
2.477 60', 12.990 @ 119.04 MPH (1/8th 8.761 @ 91.89 MPH)
All of these runs took place on the same day at the same track..... The 2nd quickest ET was a Eurocharged tune and only a tune.
Look at the Mph that's the important part in that comp!!
Last edited by dodger63; Oct 2, 2010 at 12:40 AM.
MB World Stories
The Best of Mercedes & AMG
7 Craziest Things AMG Gas Ever Built
Verdad Gallardo
New Electric Mercedes-AMG GT 4-Door Coupe Unveiled: 10 Things You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
6 Mercedes Models That Did NOT Age Well (But Are Somehow Still Cool)
Verdad Gallardo
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren
Verdad Gallardo
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine
Verdad Gallardo
Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction
Verdad Gallardo
Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
Super Moderator Alumni
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,189
Likes: 6
From: USA
2011 GLK 350, 2013 GT-R, & 2013 RAM 1500
You can't look at the ETs alone ignoring all the other data. I edited my post (where you copied this from without citing me as the author) to include a MPH-sort. MPH is a much better indicator of Horsepower.
Anyhow, B.E.R.U.A.N.G's car was neck in neck with the P31 stock car all day long. They actually tied ET and MPH (low 114's) twice when they ran heads-up. I've got all 150+ runs from today in front of me. It wasn't until I layed down about 2/3 of my Nitto tread on a well prepped lane when he made an incredible pass as he finally got some traction on those street tires.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 3,317
Likes: 3
From: Northport N.Y.
2013 f250 6.7 diesel
Very interesting data, but not when analyzed by someone "not in the know."
You can't look at the ETs alone ignoring all the other data. I edited my post (where you copied this from without citing me as the author) to include a MPH-sort. MPH is a much better indicator of Horsepower.
Anyhow, B.E.R.U.A.N.G's car was neck in neck with the P31 stock car all day long. They actually tied ET and MPH (low 114's) twice when they ran heads-up. I've got all 150+ runs from today in front of me. It wasn't until I layed down about 2/3 of my Nitto tread on a well prepped lane when he made an incredible pass as he finally got some traction on those street tires.
You can't look at the ETs alone ignoring all the other data. I edited my post (where you copied this from without citing me as the author) to include a MPH-sort. MPH is a much better indicator of Horsepower.
Anyhow, B.E.R.U.A.N.G's car was neck in neck with the P31 stock car all day long. They actually tied ET and MPH (low 114's) twice when they ran heads-up. I've got all 150+ runs from today in front of me. It wasn't until I layed down about 2/3 of my Nitto tread on a well prepped lane when he made an incredible pass as he finally got some traction on those street tires.
Said well amuture talk. When a (tuned car) pulls the same mph as a stock car it's not that impressive?
Super Moderator Alumni
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,189
Likes: 6
From: USA
2011 GLK 350, 2013 GT-R, & 2013 RAM 1500
Not when the stock car is tuned by MB at the factory as part of the P31 package. We've seen these P31 cars make the same power as aftermarket-tuned cars on the same dyno. It's expected that they would perform the same at the track.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 3,317
Likes: 3
From: Northport N.Y.
2013 f250 6.7 diesel
I'm not pretending to be an expert but it still doesn't seem impresive idk just me maybe.. But I've seen stock cars do way better then those # I'm sure u guys have much different conditions up there? But keep up the great work!
Super Moderator Alumni
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,189
Likes: 6
From: USA
2011 GLK 350, 2013 GT-R, & 2013 RAM 1500
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 3,317
Likes: 3
From: Northport N.Y.
2013 f250 6.7 diesel
I just did Mir 2 weeks ago 20 runs in 82+ degree temps ran 11.7s all day. My car bested an 11.56 @ 123. I'll be at atco the 7th with much better conditions since we dropped to about 60 as highs.. Well anyway keep up the good work over there!
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,974
Likes: 2
From: NY
See Sig
Wish I could go to Atco on the 7th to show some numbers.
The OE tune is putting down some major numbers. Jeremy is the man. Get yourself to TTM on the 12th and find out for yourself! Before and after are two different cars. (See my Dyno thread)
As to the price, MHP is significantly higher. I honestly dont see how MHP could be making more power tune for tune than the OE. If they have id like to see the dyno to prove it. So in my mind the OE is the way to go!
Im shooting for Maryland in Oct so I hope there is a tune only MHP there for me to run.
The OE tune is putting down some major numbers. Jeremy is the man. Get yourself to TTM on the 12th and find out for yourself! Before and after are two different cars. (See my Dyno thread)
As to the price, MHP is significantly higher. I honestly dont see how MHP could be making more power tune for tune than the OE. If they have id like to see the dyno to prove it. So in my mind the OE is the way to go!
Im shooting for Maryland in Oct so I hope there is a tune only MHP there for me to run.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 4,455
Likes: 31
From: Ny
Anything W/4Wheels
Wish I could go to Atco on the 7th to show some numbers.
The OE tune is putting down some major numbers. Jeremy is the man. Get yourself to TTM on the 12th and find out for yourself! Before and after are two different cars. (See my Dyno thread)
As to the price, MHP is significantly higher. I honestly dont see how MHP could be making more power tune for tune than the OE. If they have id like to see the dyno to prove it. So in my mind the OE is the way to go!
Im shooting for Maryland in Oct so I hope there is a tune only MHP there for me to run.
The OE tune is putting down some major numbers. Jeremy is the man. Get yourself to TTM on the 12th and find out for yourself! Before and after are two different cars. (See my Dyno thread)
As to the price, MHP is significantly higher. I honestly dont see how MHP could be making more power tune for tune than the OE. If they have id like to see the dyno to prove it. So in my mind the OE is the way to go!
Im shooting for Maryland in Oct so I hope there is a tune only MHP there for me to run.
Junior Member
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
From: Perth, Western Australia
2010 C63 AMG (Marrano Tune and K&N airfilters)
Here is some interesting info:
Superlubricity - Kleemann K2 Tune, MHP Catless Headers, evosport pulley, Nitto Drag Radials
1.796 60', 11.744 @ 119.18 MPH (1/8th 7.595 @ 94.59 MPH)
B.E.R.U.A.N.G - Eurocharged Tune, Street Tires
2.044 60', 12.364 @ 115.45 MPH (1/8th 8.079 @ 91.42 MPH)
Avengerboater - Kleemann K2 Tune, MHP Catless Headers, Street Tires
2.281 60', 12.554 @ 119.17 MPH (1/8th 8.396 @ 93.81 MPH)
Even Money - Stock Tune, Nitto Drag Radials
1.916 60', 12.557 @ 111.37 MPH (1/8th 8.127 @ 88.33 MPH)
2.063 60', 12.710 @ 111.77 MPH (1/8th 8.293 @ 88.47 MPH)
Cek - Stock P31 Tune, Street Tires
2.118 60', 12.584 @ 114.31 MPH (1/8th 8.260 @ 90.64 MPH)
2.396 60', 12.890 @ 115.26 MPH (1/8th 8.595 @ 90.95 MPH)
Nrgy - MHP Tune, MHP Catted Headers, Carbonio Airbox, Street Tires
2.300 60', 12.691 @ 118.79 MPH (1/8th 8.443 @ 91.90 MPH)
2.477 60', 12.990 @ 119.04 MPH (1/8th 8.761 @ 91.89 MPH)
All of these runs took place on the same day at the same track..... The 2nd quickest ET was a Eurocharged tune and only a tune.
Superlubricity - Kleemann K2 Tune, MHP Catless Headers, evosport pulley, Nitto Drag Radials
1.796 60', 11.744 @ 119.18 MPH (1/8th 7.595 @ 94.59 MPH)
B.E.R.U.A.N.G - Eurocharged Tune, Street Tires
2.044 60', 12.364 @ 115.45 MPH (1/8th 8.079 @ 91.42 MPH)
Avengerboater - Kleemann K2 Tune, MHP Catless Headers, Street Tires
2.281 60', 12.554 @ 119.17 MPH (1/8th 8.396 @ 93.81 MPH)
Even Money - Stock Tune, Nitto Drag Radials
1.916 60', 12.557 @ 111.37 MPH (1/8th 8.127 @ 88.33 MPH)
2.063 60', 12.710 @ 111.77 MPH (1/8th 8.293 @ 88.47 MPH)
Cek - Stock P31 Tune, Street Tires
2.118 60', 12.584 @ 114.31 MPH (1/8th 8.260 @ 90.64 MPH)
2.396 60', 12.890 @ 115.26 MPH (1/8th 8.595 @ 90.95 MPH)
Nrgy - MHP Tune, MHP Catted Headers, Carbonio Airbox, Street Tires
2.300 60', 12.691 @ 118.79 MPH (1/8th 8.443 @ 91.90 MPH)
2.477 60', 12.990 @ 119.04 MPH (1/8th 8.761 @ 91.89 MPH)
All of these runs took place on the same day at the same track..... The 2nd quickest ET was a Eurocharged tune and only a tune.
I just dont get it, all the extra hp that is claimed from the tunes yet so little difference on the track. My stock c63 pulled a 12.43 quarter mile so i would expect that with up to an extra 60 to 70hp from a tune a quarter mile time of a tuned would be significantly less than stock, whats going on, is it just dyno trickery?
I also agree with the costs of these tunes being way too expensive. In Perth it will cost me $3000 for a power chip tune or $4000 for a MHP tune, this is obscene considering it is just a software modification and there is no raw material added as there would be with say an exhaust system upgrade.
Can someone convince me it is worth the expense as i am yet to see the raw data on quarter mile times before i pull my wallet out.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,949
Likes: 0
From: Philadelphia, PA
2008 A8L, 2002 996TT X50, 2009 X5
I just dont get it, all the extra hp that is claimed from the tunes yet so little difference on the track. My stock c63 pulled a 12.43 quarter mile so i would expect that with up to an extra 60 to 70hp from a tune a quarter mile time of a tuned would be significantly less than stock, whats going on, is it just dyno trickery?
I also agree with the costs of these tunes being way too expensive. In Perth it will cost me $3000 for a power chip tune or $4000 for a MHP tune, this is obscene considering it is just a software modification and there is no raw material added as there would be with say an exhaust system upgrade.
Can someone convince me it is worth the expense as i am yet to see the raw data on quarter mile times before i pull my wallet out.
I also agree with the costs of these tunes being way too expensive. In Perth it will cost me $3000 for a power chip tune or $4000 for a MHP tune, this is obscene considering it is just a software modification and there is no raw material added as there would be with say an exhaust system upgrade.
Can someone convince me it is worth the expense as i am yet to see the raw data on quarter mile times before i pull my wallet out.
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
2009 E350, 2002 GT2, 2004 SC M3, 2010 C63
Don't look at ET's as driver skill, drag radials etc affect them.
Look at trap speed as the true measure of power and performance. It is interesting tha a tune alone car (in this case Eurocharged) has a trap speed w/ in 3.7 mph of cars with headers, pulleys, etc.
Look at trap speed as the true measure of power and performance. It is interesting tha a tune alone car (in this case Eurocharged) has a trap speed w/ in 3.7 mph of cars with headers, pulleys, etc.
Super Member
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 585
Likes: 0
E63
I just dont get it, all the extra hp that is claimed from the tunes yet so little difference on the track. My stock c63 pulled a 12.43 quarter mile so i would expect that with up to an extra 60 to 70hp from a tune a quarter mile time of a tuned would be significantly less than stock, whats going on, is it just dyno trickery?
I also agree with the costs of these tunes being way too expensive. In Perth it will cost me $3000 for a power chip tune or $4000 for a MHP tune, this is obscene considering it is just a software modification and there is no raw material added as there would be with say an exhaust system upgrade.
Can someone convince me it is worth the expense as i am yet to see the raw data on quarter mile times before i pull my wallet out.
I also agree with the costs of these tunes being way too expensive. In Perth it will cost me $3000 for a power chip tune or $4000 for a MHP tune, this is obscene considering it is just a software modification and there is no raw material added as there would be with say an exhaust system upgrade.
Can someone convince me it is worth the expense as i am yet to see the raw data on quarter mile times before i pull my wallet out.
1 tuner has 4 tune and drag radial C63s running in the 11s I don't know of anyone else that has put a single car into the same 11s.
If you are complaining about the price of a $2500 tune, you should check out MKB $6500 and Vath $10,500 or Brabus ($???).
Just because its software doesnt mean its all the same and I agree dynos mean nothing compared to track data. Its not the dynos fault its just that shops have abused that measuring stick by playing with results way too much.
Super Member
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 528
Likes: 0
From: Seattle
CLK 500(Gone), C63 FTW!
beofre it's getting worst...Me and Avenger are FIRST TIMER...so..that's effect alot for the results....My 12.364 was there after 30+ pulls...or heck I may even do 40+ pulls, because some of my pull wasnt recorded (The time slip didnt print)
So...yeah please dont forget that in the equation
Regarding ECU Tune, I am using Uerocharged, which is the cheapest...since I dont really track my car that often...+50 RWHP is more than enough for me. (I havent dyno it, but that's other got from Eurocharged tune.)
So...yeah please dont forget that in the equation
Regarding ECU Tune, I am using Uerocharged, which is the cheapest...since I dont really track my car that often...+50 RWHP is more than enough for me. (I havent dyno it, but that's other got from Eurocharged tune.)
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,949
Likes: 0
From: Philadelphia, PA
2008 A8L, 2002 996TT X50, 2009 X5
It's also interesting that the stock P31 car is within 0.19 MPH of the Eurocharged-tuned car.
If I was a P31 owner, I probably wouldn't bother to do "tune-only" from any vendor... it appears likely that AMG's in-house "tune" takes most of (if not all of) the easy software-related HP off the table.
Member
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 94
Likes: 0
From: Los Angeles
C63
Not getting into which is better but I will personally vouch for Jeremy's work. He is not only great to work with but his tuning and pricing is hard to match. Within 30mins in his hands my car was completely transformed and the gains really showed and backed it all up on the dyno. He really has a solid tune for our platform. I will only work with him from here on out for any of my cars. That is if, I am lucky enough to have some of his precious time because he is super busy but I would be too if I had the knowledge, skill, and the service he provides. If all goes as planned I will be testing his stage2 w/headers soon. Should be quite interesting! PM me if you need any info or questions.
Super Member
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 585
Likes: 0
E63
I bet the guys with tune and headers probably had to pedal it out of the gate but the tune only car which ran after super laid down some rubber probably was in it the whole time. I wouldnt go race a header & tune car without DRs.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,175
Likes: 101
From: Australia
09 C63
I just dont get it, all the extra hp that is claimed from the tunes yet so little difference on the track. My stock c63 pulled a 12.43 quarter mile so i would expect that with up to an extra 60 to 70hp from a tune a quarter mile time of a tuned would be significantly less than stock, whats going on, is it just dyno trickery?
I also agree with the costs of these tunes being way too expensive. In Perth it will cost me $3000 for a power chip tune or $4000 for a MHP tune, this is obscene considering it is just a software modification and there is no raw material added as there would be with say an exhaust system upgrade.
Can someone convince me it is worth the expense as i am yet to see the raw data on quarter mile times before i pull my wallet out.
I also agree with the costs of these tunes being way too expensive. In Perth it will cost me $3000 for a power chip tune or $4000 for a MHP tune, this is obscene considering it is just a software modification and there is no raw material added as there would be with say an exhaust system upgrade.
Can someone convince me it is worth the expense as i am yet to see the raw data on quarter mile times before i pull my wallet out.
Call my mechanic James at BPS chiptek. With tune and exhaust ive gained 8mph over stock 112 to 121mph.
I think we can see from all the data track conditions and tyre choice play a major role in ets and mph.
