Djovovic63

I really dont believe it but according to this article it says it will be getting new twin turbo 4.7 liter engine and the c63 amg black series will use the all new 5.5L 563hp engine

heres the link :
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...s-mb-exec.html

alrasheed1991

looooooooooool thats sucks
thanks to our 6.2 engine
hahaha

ZephyrAMG

Black Series to have 563 hp! Whoa!

But the regular C63 is a cop out...

Nice find...Thanks.

obsidian05e55

I am Jeff

Can't really call a 4.7 liter TT engine making 435 HP a "cop out" engine. You can take comfort in knowing that the black series price will be a shocker. lol

Yuille36

I will say this, don't believe everything you read. I was told by some people in the know, that AMG doesn't plan to replace the 6.2 liter NA engine in the C63. The 5.5 TT will not go into the C63 until all of the other models, have it. Like the S, SL, CL, CLS then the E, and lastly the C, but that will not occur until like 2013. I have already seen the 4.7 TT in the 2011 CL550, and it's essentually the same as the 5.5 but a smaller displacement. Again I will beleive it when I see it. But I love my 6.2 liter M156 motor. No replacement for displacement.

BAD430BENZ

i agree that i love my 6.2 n/a motor . i'm happy that AMG is going to a smaller displacement forced induction motor because it will make my car more rare in the future . 563 hp in the black series is going to come with a hefty price tag . i can get the same power from my n/a at a fraction of the cost .

SonnyakaPig

Agreed.

I would say a 4.7L TT has some potential.

And, I'm sure you're right, the BS will be very, very expensive.

JamE55

Okaay! I won't believe what you wrote then. LOL!!!

C63 Black Series + 564HP =

Please let the pricing be under $80k!

_AMG_

ZephyrAMG

In terms of history, iconic status, heritage, progression forward, advancements, bang for your buck, further developments, going bigger, better and stronger, etc...

I'm happy with a N/A 6.2 V8 any day...

Palladin

No new Black Series car will ever be under $100K in the USA. Yes it will be fast, and yes it will be expensive. Gotta say if it looks like those pics of the new C-Coupe that have been shown they can keep it. Even the old CLK Black looked better than that Accord look-alike.

SMP

There is ...... and it's called twin turbo. That was actually an old CanAm saying, when Porsche announced they'll introduce twin turbo charged engines to the series. It was "only" a 5.4 liter TT, which the rest of the CanAm cars running 7 liter and above N/A engines. The 917/30 was so successful and called an unfair advantage, that it was blamed for killing CanAm.

Personally, I prefer N/A engines because of the linear power delivery, throttle response and beautiful soundtrack. However, the future calls for more efficient high performance engines, and the 6.2 is hardly that.

SonnyakaPig

Agreed.

I think F/I is great. It can be so efficient.

And, I don't know why, but lately I've begun to appreciate smaller displacement engines with nasty little F/I setups that can handle lots of boost.

The M156 is amazing. But it feels as big as it is powerful. I'm beginning to appreciate a little bit smaller of a car than the C63. I would say less than 3700 lbs would be optimal for me.

I imagine the weights savings from a smaller displacement engine could really translate to a tighter and more nimble overall driving experience.

But, this engine is addicting. And I can't imagine anything topping it for a while.

SMP

I hear what you're saying, but with a widened track, lowered suspension and a wide body, it will look pretty good. The same can be said about the 209 coupe compared to the CLK63 BS. Kind of feminine looking, which the Black Series in my opinion can't be called. I agree, the price for admission will be well over 100K, since Mercedes wants to compete with Porsche in that market, rather than the M3.

TexasEngineer

I highly doubt the new engine will be any lighter. The smaller displacement only mean smaller bore and/or shorter stroke. It does not mean the block or the heads will be any smaller. In my opinion, the new TT engine will likely be heavier than the 6.2 even if at 4.7 liters. FI blocks and rotating assemblies are over built and heavier than similar NA setups. Also, the new engine will have more equipment to support it: Direct injection, liquid intercooling systems (very heavy), and of course two turbo chargers with supporting equipment.

Zod

and?
up the boost n all is go sir

Need i name a few examples?

• v12 biturbo benz
• 997 turbo & GT2
• GTR
• BMW 335, X6m/X5
• Audi RS6
• B Veron

All are monsters when tuned, except for the last one, because it has Demi god status

TexasEngineer

Obviously factory FI cars can be monsters. I made no statement to the contrary. In fact, I am quite sure that the new MB TT V8 will be a monster and a tuner’s dream. I would not be surprised one bit, if the new 63 AMGs set new records for AMGs in a fairly short period of time.

I was merely pointing out that Sonny’s idea that the new smaller displacement TT V8 would be lighter than the 6.2 is unfounded and most likely false.

MBH motorsports

What I dont get is why call it a 63 then? A 4.7L TT will have some real nice power potential. If modding is as easy as other TT cars... Software, downpipes, exhaust and intake should make for one very strong car. If you want to talk turbo upgrades.That might be a bit harder, as Mercedes has always cast the manifold into the turbos. Just speculation, I would think to do a turbo upgrade would be expensive. You would essentially have to make a header and then add an aftermarket turbo. That will be pricey. If you can do all that? You will have one major beast on your hands. It will be interesting to see non the less.

GHAZAN

what i want to know is how can I tell if the new 2011 S/SL/CLS 63 5.5TT are 6.3s or 5.5TT without knowing all the design changes (I would recognize the CLS), but the others.........? trapezoid exhaust tips x 4? the swoosh boost as it blows by?
OMG my head hurts this is so confusing

SonnyakaPig

Thank you for the correction. Just learned a valuable lesson.

SonnyakaPig

I'm sure you would have as good of an idea of what it would take to build custom manifolds as anyone, but I would point out that twin turbo and single turbo systems with custom exhaust work are built all the time for GM and Ford cars.

http://www.granatellimotorsports.com...Kit-557-0.html

$7,500-9K will get you an excellent TT system with tons of potential.

Why couldn't a similar setup be built for the new TT 63's at a similar price point? Obviously, taking into account the Mercedes tax, of course.

Edit: I see what you're saying now, because even in this TT kit, the stock exhaust manifolds are used. So, I can see how it would get pricey for sure. But, maybe a 3-4K more because custom manifold(s) may have to be built. Still seems pretty feasible.

mr inkredibul

Are you on crack?

splinter

Your asinine comment hardly seems an appropriate response to TexasEngineer’s post(s) which, in spite of there being only ten do date,
bespeak technical knowledge witnessed all too infrequently ‘round here. :y

GBlansten

You break out the "are you on crack?" for that? His post was thoughtful and reasoned.