bellemastiff

I just went from a 911 S PDK to my P30 C63.

I am surprised you think the 911 ride is more comfortable? I had the opposite thought (and the P30 suspension is supposed to be the "worst" of the C63 suspension setups, right?)

The C63 wins the drag race,
The 911 wins the autocross (and probably road race),
Both cars have status (911 might win this I suppose, though the C63 is very rare comparatively),
The 911 has slightly better interior build quality,
The C63 has a more comfortable interior for cruising / trips,
The C63 is much louder exhaust (stock),
The C63 fits my Mastiff in the backseat.

C63 wins!

khmergod

Lol on your last point.

norb

I had an 05 997 C2S, I'll add that the C63 has a damn nice steering wheel and the stock sport seats are nice too. Those are pricey upgrades on a 997.

IAA-C63

Not sure why we differ on this. Maybe it depends on road quality? Or the particular 911 model I drove?

On smooth roads, I find both cars to ride perfectly well. But on really rough patches, the 911 seems to soak them up better than the C63.

That said, I much prefer a firm ride which provides good handling and enables me to feel the grain of the road, and I've gotten used to the ride of the C63, to the extent that it now feels pretty much "normal" to me. Since my C63 is in the shop, I drove my old 01 E320 today, and it feels unbearably floaty, like I'm piloting a boat.

Phin

...lol...apples and oranges.....one is a high performance sports car....the other is a 4-door high performance sedan...they are not competitors...of course this is only my opinion...not hating boys...it's amazing what a big engine will do for you... covers up some "short comings"...

melmanc55

My brother had an 07 911S...I wouldn't think twice about trading my C63 for it. There is just something special about a 911. I've owned two (my brother has owned 4 and my dad 1) and they are great cars. They just have a different feel to them. I love AMG...but whoever said they are comparing apples and oranges is right. They are just not as practical for me right now.....

DuaneC63

I'm comparing it to a 997.2 S with 385hp and about 600 less lbs weight. The manufacturers 0-60 is 4.5 for the Porsche and 4.4 for the C63. That's about as close it's going to get performance wise for the C63 (which is the top of it's class). The weight disadvantage alone dooms the C63 on any track but a drag strip. Yes the Porsche cost more, they always do as they don't have the economy of scale the MBZ has building the C63 on the mass produced C chassis. The comparison is basically apples to oranges. The C63 is an adaptation of the basic entry level C class MBZ taken to the extremes of its capabilities and to still be marketable. The Porsche is a purpose built road car with major compromises in comfort and utility sacrificed on the alter of performance. I think both cars are fantastic. While they are both very high performance, they are built to serve different purposes. I've spent 10 years with three AMG C classes and three 911's. Bottom line, you need to own one of each at the same time to truly achieve nirvana.

DuaneC63

That's an usual observation. While Porsche have grown more road compliant in recent years, they still have a shorter wheel base and a stiffer suspension. For a long trip, I'd take my C63 every time.

melmanc55

Yep all done with a 3.8 liter flat six. Amazing.

Philipangoo

Guys,

PDK was not an available option on 911's until 2009 model. So for comparisons sake he really is talking about porsche tiptronic vs amg automatic.

I had an 07 911 C4 and I would have to agree with you on most of the points. The 911 was definitely more comfortable and "refined" feeling. I also miss stick shift, but I have my old beater E30 for that now

You just can't beat the ole MB V8 power.

IAA-C63

I recall a 0-60 of about 4.7 for this particular Carrera 4S with the tiptronic.

You're right that having both the 911 and C63 would be really nice, which is why I'm steering my wife that way. The C63 has made me somewhat performance crazed, so I'm using the excuse of her "needing" another car as a way for me to get another car for myself, for the sake of variety. She leans towards a convertible, so an option is the M3. But my heart cries for a Porsche, and we need a back seat at least good enough for a kid on local trips, hence the 911 option. We're going to try at least two other variants of the 911, and I'm very curious to see how they compare with the one we already tried.

As far as comparisons in general, I don't think they need to be limited to cars designed for the same specific market. Sometimes comparisons are just interesting to better understand the cars being compared. Plus, sometimes our needs/wants are flexible (eg, just want a fun car), in which case a broad range of cars can reasonably be compared for cross-shopping (hence the C63 vs. GT-R, Jaguar, and RS8 threads).

DuaneC63

The number I quoted for the 0-60 is with a manual for the Porsche. Throw in the PDK with launch control and the comparison just gets worse for the AMG.

DuaneC63

[QUOTE=IAA-C63;4710056]I recall a 0-60 of about 4.7 for this particular Carrera 4S with the tiptronic.

You're right that having both the 911 and C63 would be really nice, which is why I'm steering my wife that way. The C63 has made me somewhat performance crazed, so I'm using the excuse of her "needing" another car as a way for me to get another car for myself, for the sake of variety. She leans towards a convertible, so an option is the M3. But my heart cries for a Porsche, and we need a back seat at least good enough for a kid on local trips, hence the 911 option. We're going to try at least two other variants of the 911, and I'm very curious to see how they compare with the one we already tried.

If you need a back seat there are limitations. The retractable hard top on the M3 is hard to beat. The M3 has a real back seat, the Porsche has some pads glued to the floor with a couple of DOT approved back rests. They work real good if you under six years old. I would have suggested the CLK55, which is a little demon, but no back seat. In your situation why don't you just give her the C63 a find a Porsche you like for yourself.

IAA-C63

I got the 4.7 number from the Porsche salesman, and it seems to match what's online:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_997

http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/91...-4s-cabriolet/

IAA-C63

[QUOTE=DuaneC63;4710176]She wouldn't accept the C63 as her primary car, plus the C63 is perfect for me as my primary car because I need something which isn't too flashy (for business). And even setting practicality aside, if I could drive only one car, it would probably be the C63.

malahhaor

hi all, i realize that this is a very old thread but i am hopping someone may still follow and shed some light. I don't want to start a new thread.

I currently drive a Carrera 997 as my DD and i'm looking to upgrade to something a touch bigger. was thinking to get a new C300 sport or bmw 328i. The handling is going to be ok but im afraid it will be too boring.
I started to look at AMGs in my price range and w204 came up. I never gave w204 a second look as the interior center console just rubs me the wrong way, but for performance i might be able to overlook it
so my real questions is in the handling of the C63. Going from Carrera AWD grip i'm a little concerned that the way i drive sometimes i might lose the rear end all the time.
Sometimes i like to do a passionate corner when traffic permits, or trying to quickly slip from one lane to the other in slow traffic, or make that left corner slightly hasty because traffic just wont stop and you need to squeeze in. Carrera always has grip and just goes, and very sharp steering that i love. I've never driven such a light car with so much power as the C amg. Do you guys think i would have trouble getting good grip if i'm throttle happy at such low speeds? Can i fit 285s in the back to help traction?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

DuaneC63

[QUOTE=malahhaor;6758293]hi all, i realize that this is a very old thread but i am hopping someone may still follow and shed some light. I don't want to start a new thread.

I currently drive a Carrera 997 as my DD and i'm looking to upgrade to something a touch bigger. was thinking to get a new C300 sport or bmw 328i. The handling is going to be ok but im afraid it will be too boring.
I started to look at AMGs in my price range and w204 came up. I never gave w204 a second look as the interior center console just rubs me the wrong way, but for performance i might be able to overlook it
so my real questions is in the handling of the C63. Going from Carrera AWD grip i'm a little concerned that the way i drive sometimes i might lose the rear end all the time.
Sometimes i like to do a passionate corner when traffic permits, or trying to quickly slip from one lane to the other in slow traffic, or make that left corner slightly hasty because traffic just wont stop and you need to squeeze in. Carrera always has grip and just goes, and very sharp steering that i love. I've never driven such a light car with so much power as the C amg. Do you guys think i would have trouble getting good grip if i'm throttle happy at such low speeds? Can i fit 285s in the back to help traction?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

A non turbo Porsche will out handle a C63 any time. But a tuned C63 will out run most non-turbo Porsches. As far as improving handling on a C63, wider rear tires are a problem looking for an answer. 285 will rub unless you put so much neg camber in they wear out in 5k. Put in adjustable coil overs, (drop it about a good inch or so) adjustable upper rear links (to fix the too much neg camber) and a Quafe dif.

Jean Valjean

I put 275's on my 2009 w204 C63 AMG, and combined with the LSD option, grip is very good. I previously used to have a 2008 C63 without LSD and it was very easy to oversteer, which made it a very "fun" car but likely not up to your preferred level of grip on a 997. I will be selling my 2009 with 54k miles within the next month or so.

malahhaor

actually the car im looking at atm has the development pkg. if im not mistaken it has the LSD.

I do not believe i would drop the car any lower. it already sits low and im not a big fan of dropped look.
Im assuming that 275s with LSD will help but wont be carrera territory?


Edit: just did some extra research. Dev pkg is P31 with red brakes, CF and light engine parts not P30 with LSD and sport suspension. Right?

Mort

If you really want to ensure it has a LSD you will need the window sticker or the Data Card from the dealer or Valvestud here online. Canadian cars with APX package came with a LSD from 2012 + I believe.