Trading in my C63 for a GT-R
06-08-2011, 04:46 PM
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My .02 as someone who was winter-driven a 911 in Chicago, IL (weather possibly worse than East Coast),
I don't think the GT-R will be all that superior to the C63 assuming both are wearing Blizzaks or the like....
Meanwhile, the rest of the year, you will be driving a Nissan rather than an AMG!
I know a lot of members here might disagree with me and I know the values aren't on my side, but in my mind, a C63 is equal to the GTR, or possibly a 'better' car, depending on which factors you're weighting (obv than GTR wins if you only weight performance but IMO the C63 wins every other category)
I don't think the GT-R will be all that superior to the C63 assuming both are wearing Blizzaks or the like....
Meanwhile, the rest of the year, you will be driving a Nissan rather than an AMG!
I know a lot of members here might disagree with me and I know the values aren't on my side, but in my mind, a C63 is equal to the GTR, or possibly a 'better' car, depending on which factors you're weighting (obv than GTR wins if you only weight performance but IMO the C63 wins every other category)
06-08-2011, 05:54 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I love my C63 as there is nothing wrong with it. The problem for me is that when I got my car, I totally forgot that I will need AWD since I am moving to the east coast, and I can keep one car. I know this is a stupid reason, but I really don't want a down grade. Therefore the next car on my list is a GT-R...
I feel sort of stupid that I didn't get one in the first place, or hold out not buying the car before my move. Maybe I will get this idea over my head once I am back state side and drive my car a little more.
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I feel sort of stupid that I didn't get one in the first place, or hold out not buying the car before my move. Maybe I will get this idea over my head once I am back state side and drive my car a little more.
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I agree with the others that the c will do fine with snows. I live in Philly and when I had my c55, it was dicey on the summers (obviously) but with snow tires it would have been fine.
Just keep the car is my $0.02
06-08-2011, 06:42 PM
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These are two totally different type cars in my opinion. When shopping for a sporty DD I checked out and drove both the C63 and GTR. They are not comparable. The C63 does not approach the performance of the GTR. The GTR is not even close to being as practical as the C63. If you have kids and plan to put them in the back, I doubt 2 baby car seats would even fit in the back of the GTR. And even if you did fit them, try getting them out of a tight parking space with the coupes 2 door. Impossible and will cause you to herniate a disk in your low back. If I had no kids and didn't care about anyone in the back, I would have the GTR any day of the week. Unfortunately, real life is often different then our fantasies. C63 is the best compromise of any other car considering my job, fun factor, and practicality!
06-08-2011, 08:42 PM
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Sheep: I recently sold my 2010 with 4.8k miles for $52k to a guy who buys cars for dealers. My car's MSRP was $69.5k (no P31). I also live in SoCal. You may be able to get more if you have comparable miles on your car.
06-08-2011, 10:36 PM
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50K seems like a very fair price at a dealer trade in. What are you paying for the GT-R (sticker I would guess).
06-09-2011, 02:42 AM
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Cdd: I am moving to Pittsburgh to start my Ph.D, so any winter driving experience in PA will be very helpful.
Jean Valjean: I am single never married so no kids, and I totally agree that the GT-R completely sucked with its interior, which feels like my old $30k Mazda RX-8 when I sat in one.
Vmx128: $52k for a non-P31 is a very good price! If I do buy a different car, it will be over in Pittsburgh. However, I can trade in or sell my car either in California or Pittsburgh. In fact, since I am moving, it will be easier for me to sell local to save transport cost (~$2k).
DuaneC63: I am trying to get one at $92-96 MSRP, but the dealer in Pittsburgh only has one Super Silver with all the options priced just a hair shy or $100k. The dealer is quoting me $51 for the trade in now but I am hoping to get about $55k. And with the high MSRP, I will still have to fork out another $50k for the deal. I thought about leasing instead, but with $1500 a month for 36 months that won’t save me any money.
In addition, I think you guys are right about keeping the C63 at least for the first winter. With all the expenses stacked against me with next to no income for the next three years, this really might not be a good move. Granted I do have a decent savings, but that’s no excuse to dump another $50k for a car when I already spent $80 for mine. I guess getting a GT-R will be just a pipe dream now.
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Jean Valjean: I am single never married so no kids, and I totally agree that the GT-R completely sucked with its interior, which feels like my old $30k Mazda RX-8 when I sat in one.
Vmx128: $52k for a non-P31 is a very good price! If I do buy a different car, it will be over in Pittsburgh. However, I can trade in or sell my car either in California or Pittsburgh. In fact, since I am moving, it will be easier for me to sell local to save transport cost (~$2k).
DuaneC63: I am trying to get one at $92-96 MSRP, but the dealer in Pittsburgh only has one Super Silver with all the options priced just a hair shy or $100k. The dealer is quoting me $51 for the trade in now but I am hoping to get about $55k. And with the high MSRP, I will still have to fork out another $50k for the deal. I thought about leasing instead, but with $1500 a month for 36 months that won’t save me any money.
In addition, I think you guys are right about keeping the C63 at least for the first winter. With all the expenses stacked against me with next to no income for the next three years, this really might not be a good move. Granted I do have a decent savings, but that’s no excuse to dump another $50k for a car when I already spent $80 for mine. I guess getting a GT-R will be just a pipe dream now.
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06-09-2011, 03:43 AM
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Cdd: I am moving to Pittsburgh to start my Ph.D, so any winter driving experience in PA will be very helpful.
Jean Valjean: I am single never married so no kids, and I totally agree that the GT-R completely sucked with its interior, which feels like my old $30k Mazda RX-8 when I sat in one.
Vmx128: $52k for a non-P31 is a very good price! If I do buy a different car, it will be over in Pittsburgh. However, I can trade in or sell my car either in California or Pittsburgh. In fact, since I am moving, it will be easier for me to sell local to save transport cost (~$2k).
DuaneC63: I am trying to get one at $92-96 MSRP, but the dealer in Pittsburgh only has one Super Silver with all the options priced just a hair shy or $100k. The dealer is quoting me $51 for the trade in now but I am hoping to get about $55k. And with the high MSRP, I will still have to fork out another $50k for the deal. I thought about leasing instead, but with $1500 a month for 36 months that won’t save me any money.
In addition, I think you guys are right about keeping the C63 at least for the first winter. With all the expenses stacked against me with next to no income for the next three years, this really might not be a good move. Granted I do have a decent savings, but that’s no excuse to dump another $50k for a car when I already spent $80 for mine. I guess getting a GT-R will be just a pipe dream now.
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Jean Valjean: I am single never married so no kids, and I totally agree that the GT-R completely sucked with its interior, which feels like my old $30k Mazda RX-8 when I sat in one.
Vmx128: $52k for a non-P31 is a very good price! If I do buy a different car, it will be over in Pittsburgh. However, I can trade in or sell my car either in California or Pittsburgh. In fact, since I am moving, it will be easier for me to sell local to save transport cost (~$2k).
DuaneC63: I am trying to get one at $92-96 MSRP, but the dealer in Pittsburgh only has one Super Silver with all the options priced just a hair shy or $100k. The dealer is quoting me $51 for the trade in now but I am hoping to get about $55k. And with the high MSRP, I will still have to fork out another $50k for the deal. I thought about leasing instead, but with $1500 a month for 36 months that won’t save me any money.
In addition, I think you guys are right about keeping the C63 at least for the first winter. With all the expenses stacked against me with next to no income for the next three years, this really might not be a good move. Granted I do have a decent savings, but that’s no excuse to dump another $50k for a car when I already spent $80 for mine. I guess getting a GT-R will be just a pipe dream now.
Sheep
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06-09-2011, 04:00 AM
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vmx128: check your PM, thanks!
DuaneC63: I got my MS in Applied Math but I am switching over to CS for my Ph.D. I read Inside Line everyday so I know about the Mini Countryman, but I didn't konw that have an AWD version. I guess I will have to check out the local stock. Thanks.
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DuaneC63: I got my MS in Applied Math but I am switching over to CS for my Ph.D. I read Inside Line everyday so I know about the Mini Countryman, but I didn't konw that have an AWD version. I guess I will have to check out the local stock. Thanks.
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06-09-2011, 04:01 AM
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vmx128: check your PM, thanks!
DuaneC63: I got my MS in Applied Math but I am switching over to CS for my Ph.D. I read Inside Line everyday so I know about the Mini Countryman, but I didn't konw that have an AWD version. I guess I will have to check out the local stock. Thanks.
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DuaneC63: I got my MS in Applied Math but I am switching over to CS for my Ph.D. I read Inside Line everyday so I know about the Mini Countryman, but I didn't konw that have an AWD version. I guess I will have to check out the local stock. Thanks.
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06-09-2011, 04:21 AM
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Oh don't get me wrong as I am earning good money now, but I cannot possibly pass up this once in a life time chance on the best CS Ph.D. program in the world. I am actually scare ****less right now not know will I be up to the challange.
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06-09-2011, 08:18 AM
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06-09-2011, 12:38 PM
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Sheep, this is an AMG forum so of course you will get votes for the C63.
The GT-R is incredible. I can't say enough good things about it. And this is from a guy who owned a CTS-V, E60 M5 and who has put on thousands of miles in Porsche 997TT and SL55 AMG, as well as had my share of Bentley, Lambo, and others...if you want real performance, there is absolutely no comparison. If you want comfort, then stick with AMG or get a CTS-V or possibly hold out for the new M5 which looks to be amazing.
I live in NY and GT-R handles the winters with ease. I have the stock runflats on and was able to plow through any weather I needed. Only problem is ground clearance but as long as the snow isn't built up on the road you should be fine. C63 and the like will need blizzaks.
Only gripes on the GT-R are the rattles and lack of cooling seats, reverse camera, and transmission noises. The performance is just insane though and it's enough to make me forget all the little features and soft suspension that I'm compromising for.
Also, I am a young guy so this car suites me well. Perhaps if you're a bit older you're beyond having a race car on the streets. You get a ton of attention in the GT-R as well so factor that in as a negative.
The 2012 GT-R takes away a lot of the flaws of the 09-11's.
BTW don't listen to the hype about maintenance. All I've done so far are oil changes and I have a tranny fluid change coming up that will total about $1,000. Brakes are the same as any high performance car. Actually the GT-R has been completely problem free. My Vette, CTS-V, and M5 had issues. The M5 blew 2 transmissions. The GT-R tranny has been running STRONG with probably 100 launches and daily racing.
Just make sure YOU are happy with the car you're getting. If it makes you smile, get it. If you are settling then pass.
The GT-R is incredible. I can't say enough good things about it. And this is from a guy who owned a CTS-V, E60 M5 and who has put on thousands of miles in Porsche 997TT and SL55 AMG, as well as had my share of Bentley, Lambo, and others...if you want real performance, there is absolutely no comparison. If you want comfort, then stick with AMG or get a CTS-V or possibly hold out for the new M5 which looks to be amazing.
I live in NY and GT-R handles the winters with ease. I have the stock runflats on and was able to plow through any weather I needed. Only problem is ground clearance but as long as the snow isn't built up on the road you should be fine. C63 and the like will need blizzaks.
Only gripes on the GT-R are the rattles and lack of cooling seats, reverse camera, and transmission noises. The performance is just insane though and it's enough to make me forget all the little features and soft suspension that I'm compromising for.
Also, I am a young guy so this car suites me well. Perhaps if you're a bit older you're beyond having a race car on the streets. You get a ton of attention in the GT-R as well so factor that in as a negative.
The 2012 GT-R takes away a lot of the flaws of the 09-11's.
BTW don't listen to the hype about maintenance. All I've done so far are oil changes and I have a tranny fluid change coming up that will total about $1,000. Brakes are the same as any high performance car. Actually the GT-R has been completely problem free. My Vette, CTS-V, and M5 had issues. The M5 blew 2 transmissions. The GT-R tranny has been running STRONG with probably 100 launches and daily racing.
Just make sure YOU are happy with the car you're getting. If it makes you smile, get it. If you are settling then pass.
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Thanks! If I do get one, then it will make sure it has the winter pack. Before I got my C63, I was going to go for the GT-R but didn't due to family influence. I am single in my early 30's so I like a coupe better. Hope fully they will have a non-Super Silver over in Pittsburgh from now to mid-Aug.
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Thanks! If I do get one, then it will make sure it has the winter pack. Before I got my C63, I was going to go for the GT-R but didn't due to family influence. I am single in my early 30's so I like a coupe better. Hope fully they will have a non-Super Silver over in Pittsburgh from now to mid-Aug.
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Sheep,
Listening to your social situation and demographic, if I was you and I had the cash to swing it, I would trade your c63 for a GTR. If you've ever driven a GTR, you would know how fabulous it really is. The car really is as amazing as the hype puts it up to be. The only cars that I hav driven that have similar levels of performance are a 2011 Porsche Turbo S and a 2009 Ferrari 430 Scuderia. These cars are much more than the GTR but have similar performance. The GTR has no where near the "wow" factor than the P or F car, but that may be a good thing for you. Part of the reason many of us have a C63 AMG is the " sleeper" understated-ness of the car. The GTR is also somewhat under the radar. I'm a physician, so it would not be appropriate for me to drive a Ferrari or Lambo to work. The AMG's, M's, and 911 variants are the most exotic cars that people park around my garage at work. I could still pull off driving a GTR, as most non-enthusiast simply mistake the GTR for a Z or Infiniti G. I simply didn't do it because of the lack of practicality for me. I have 2 small kids that I often like to take along with me in the AMG. If you haven't driven a GTR, after you drive it, you will definitely see how much more of a performance car it is then our C63's. I say get it if you like it after the test drive!
Listening to your social situation and demographic, if I was you and I had the cash to swing it, I would trade your c63 for a GTR. If you've ever driven a GTR, you would know how fabulous it really is. The car really is as amazing as the hype puts it up to be. The only cars that I hav driven that have similar levels of performance are a 2011 Porsche Turbo S and a 2009 Ferrari 430 Scuderia. These cars are much more than the GTR but have similar performance. The GTR has no where near the "wow" factor than the P or F car, but that may be a good thing for you. Part of the reason many of us have a C63 AMG is the " sleeper" understated-ness of the car. The GTR is also somewhat under the radar. I'm a physician, so it would not be appropriate for me to drive a Ferrari or Lambo to work. The AMG's, M's, and 911 variants are the most exotic cars that people park around my garage at work. I could still pull off driving a GTR, as most non-enthusiast simply mistake the GTR for a Z or Infiniti G. I simply didn't do it because of the lack of practicality for me. I have 2 small kids that I often like to take along with me in the AMG. If you haven't driven a GTR, after you drive it, you will definitely see how much more of a performance car it is then our C63's. I say get it if you like it after the test drive!
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06-09-2011, 04:36 PM
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Sheep.
$50,000 for a trade in is a lot, you should really consider it. As far is the GTR, all I am saying is do your home work and go to NAGTROC read all the reviews o the GTR one more time.
Brakes on the GTR cost $8000. A transmission on the GTR cost $23,400 and the transmission fluid cost $70 a quart (take 12). The 2012 is a much improved model (launch control,power,suspension,aerodynamic,rims,suspensi on) but pricy to maintain.
Think about all that....
$50,000 for a trade in is a lot, you should really consider it. As far is the GTR, all I am saying is do your home work and go to NAGTROC read all the reviews o the GTR one more time.
Brakes on the GTR cost $8000. A transmission on the GTR cost $23,400 and the transmission fluid cost $70 a quart (take 12). The 2012 is a much improved model (launch control,power,suspension,aerodynamic,rims,suspensi on) but pricy to maintain.
Think about all that....
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Sheep,
Listening to your social situation and demographic, if I was you and I had the cash to swing it, I would trade your c63 for a GTR. If you've ever driven a GTR, you would know how fabulous it really is. The car really is as amazing as the hype puts it up to be. The only cars that I hav driven that have similar levels of performance are a 2011 Porsche Turbo S and a 2009 Ferrari 430 Scuderia. These cars are much more than the GTR but have similar performance. The GTR has no where near the "wow" factor than the P or F car, but that may be a good thing for you. Part of the reason many of us have a C63 AMG is the " sleeper" understated-ness of the car. The GTR is also somewhat under the radar. I'm a physician, so it would not be appropriate for me to drive a Ferrari or Lambo to work. The AMG's, M's, and 911 variants are the most exotic cars that people park around my garage at work. I could still pull off driving a GTR, as most non-enthusiast simply mistake the GTR for a Z or Infiniti G. I simply didn't do it because of the lack of practicality for me. I have 2 small kids that I often like to take along with me in the AMG. If you haven't driven a GTR, after you drive it, you will definitely see how much more of a performance car it is then our C63's. I say get it if you like it after the test drive!
Listening to your social situation and demographic, if I was you and I had the cash to swing it, I would trade your c63 for a GTR. If you've ever driven a GTR, you would know how fabulous it really is. The car really is as amazing as the hype puts it up to be. The only cars that I hav driven that have similar levels of performance are a 2011 Porsche Turbo S and a 2009 Ferrari 430 Scuderia. These cars are much more than the GTR but have similar performance. The GTR has no where near the "wow" factor than the P or F car, but that may be a good thing for you. Part of the reason many of us have a C63 AMG is the " sleeper" understated-ness of the car. The GTR is also somewhat under the radar. I'm a physician, so it would not be appropriate for me to drive a Ferrari or Lambo to work. The AMG's, M's, and 911 variants are the most exotic cars that people park around my garage at work. I could still pull off driving a GTR, as most non-enthusiast simply mistake the GTR for a Z or Infiniti G. I simply didn't do it because of the lack of practicality for me. I have 2 small kids that I often like to take along with me in the AMG. If you haven't driven a GTR, after you drive it, you will definitely see how much more of a performance car it is then our C63's. I say get it if you like it after the test drive!
Anyone who talks trash about the GT-R, whether it be the maintenance costs, the Nissan badge, etc., has never driven one.
