bigben320e

Okay..remember you get what you ask for. In heaps.

RNS-11Z

trying paying $160,000.00 for a C63 as we do here in Australia!!! and our dollar is better then the US currency atm. 70k is a bargain for us!

PATRIEK

The same in Europe, even in Germany, where the car comes from ! These US prices are crazy ! I really don't understand why they are so low. Not because of the taxes, because our base price without taxes, is way higher then US prices.
I would not even think for one minute to buy a used one, with these low prices. $70K is indeed a bargain !!!

AND in Belgium we even have to pay EVERY year 2800 euro (about $3500) tax to drive it ! AND a extra 5000 euro (about $6500) for (every) registration, witch will double (!!!!) from 01/2012.

AND our gas prices are now about $8 a gallon !!!!! what do you guys pay ???

you should all praise the lord

AMGC60-3

Thats why this American thats in Europe knows how good we have it (Americans) and isnt complaining. The cost of anything in Europe is unreal.

propain

God Bless The USA.

Sounds like you guys are getting raped over there. Im happy to over hear even with all the bad things they say about us.

c32AMG-DTM

Most don't. Ferrari's F1 in the F430, or e-gear in the Murci, are auto-clutched manual transmissions... not "true automatics" with a torque convertor. I believe that was what Oliverk was referring to.

Quadcammer

Eh, so put three names on the motor. In my opinion, this one man one motor thing is designed to make the end user to think that he had one guy slaving over his motor, making sure all the clearances were just so, the ring gaps made specifically for his uses, and a little magic to make more power than a regular assembly line motor...which we all know is not true.

Of course, its fun watching people get all butthurt.

lol first, have you not realized that the Mezger (no T) is the engine in my 993TT?

Now then, stock block is not quite the right terminology is it. The two piece case may never have been apart, but all that contains is the crank/oil pump/intermediate shaft.

As for power output, big deal with two turbos strapped to it. My mustang cobra make 700rwhp on pump gas for like 30k miles. Does that make it a great motor, of course not.

Btw, are you telling me that a bone stock internal street engine has made 800rwhp for 10s of thousands of ALL OUT race miles? Because if so, I call bs.


whoopdedo. I can make 800awhp on a mitsubishi evo...great motor?

Where did you come up with these prices?

Dr_jitsu

I tried to save you from further embarrassment, but you seem to crave it. A mustang cobra is a 4.6 liter motor making 700...I am talking about a 3.6 making 800 plus. And yes, Powell has done many many trips down the dragstrip and 60-130 pulls on his 864 rwhp Mezger. The engine held together fine at 70k plus miles. He wanted more power so he rebuilt it. My car has 21K and will last for a lot longer.

Tell you what, since you like to run your mouth, I will pay for you to come here and we can run your mustang against my little 3.5 liter. Lets say for $3K.

And as long as we are correcting spelling, it sartorial, not satorial

ZephyrAMG

I absolutely have to agree to some degree with Oliverk that there is a HUGE marketing angle to the "one man, one engine" concept. All this mechanic is doing is actually attaching the smaller or additional pieces to a motor that is 70% already build by being forged and analyzed by laser precision...not one man.

So in essence if you think that the mechanics are slaving away and double, triple, quadruple checking the performance, the flaws and actually "hand building" the motors every piece, you are fooled into the marketing magic that they have sprinkled all over you. Most of it is streamlined and checked by machines and computers.

Not only that, but the C63 is just built on a smiliar assembly line as the regular C-class and the details are just added along the way to this correct chassis and the huge V8 is plopped in...

By all means we all know the QUALITY CONTROL is quite sub par in these cars...I mean just look at the body panel seems and the paint...

_AMG_

Through Mercedes.

propain

But I have a stamp signed by the builder....

ZephyrAMG

I know, kinda cool huh....

propain

It makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

IAA-C63

No doubt there's a marketing angle (though I personally gave it no weight), but I still suspect that there's some QC benefit. No way to know for sure without data.

As far as QC overall, my C63 is doing well so far at 5500 miles (only one problem with a broken drive belt), and my general experience with MB has been very good over the past 16 years. I've had a lot more problems with BMWs.

Dr_jitsu

Back to the OP's question, I think that a well optioned, say everything but the P31 package, new car is worth about $63-65K. For $70K you should get the LSD and extra ponies of the P31.

On the other hand, if you compare it to the new Equus I just picked up for $54K, the Equus is way more car for the money.

ZephyrAMG

++++1

Djovovic63

+63. Thats exactly what I think. 7Ok$ '(5O.OOOeuros) is nothing compared what the car costs everywhere else in the world. I think people in U.S should be more then glad that the car is so cheap. Just think about how many guys are paying 11O.OOO$+ for a regular C63 around the world.

PATRIEK

+++++++++++++1

and if you check out the poll about the avarage income ...they ALL could buy brend new Lambos and Ferrai's, so WHAT the hell is $70k ?????????????

Zondar

My opinion: The C63 operates in a realm in which value takes on different meanings.

If you are buying an Accord, value is all about costs vs. comfort, space, and safety features, etc. It's an arena in which every dollar counts. Emotion and passion doesn't enter the picture very much.

If you are buying a C350 or its ilk, perceived luxury and status is increasingly an element, and there's a class of buyers that will gladly pay a premium for this. Emotion is more of an element.

The realm of the C63 is one which is all about passion. Sure, the performance must be there, and the numbers are important, but buyers are ultimately looking beyond: They are looking for an emotional connection. Putting a price on passion is difficult, but the market ultimately does that for you.

Beyond the C63, say into Ferrari territory, people aren't even buying emotion. They are buying dreams. For dreams, the sky is the limit.

PATRIEK

so true !!

the same goes for the C63 BS right now, the sense says NO, the heart says HELL YEAH !!!

Quadcammer

Yeah, a 4.6 with a supercharger vs. a 3.6 with turbos. On top of that, making power is just a matter of boost at that point. Further, your 800+ was done on race gas, my 700rwhp was done on pump. Boost is simply replacement for displacement...not to mention run what you brung.

Dragstrip? Thats what we're talking about? I thought you meant real racing not 10 seconds at WOT, and then 30 minute cool downs. When he can run all out at full power for 30 minutes at the road course, then we'll talk.

Btw, since you say he's run 10k miles of ALL OUT racing, I'm assuming he's made 40,000 passes? Is that about right

I sold my mustang, so alas, I can't race you...nor do online bets and challenges amuse me much.

Finally, since YOU seem unwilling to avoid embarrassment, sartorial is the art of dress or tailoring.

I said satorical, which, ironically enough, is also wrong. What I meant was satirical, as in satire, as in, my statement was meant in humor.

ok

is that cost to them, parts counter, what? I doubt mb is going to give you their factory cost for these parts.

propain

Ok. You were right. This thread has gotten real stupid now...

I am not worthy...

_AMG_

These are MSRP prices through Mercedes.
If your so curious then call Mercedes and find out.

Djovovic63

So wth does this mean? That the car is not worth 70$k because of that? As if any car company sells their cars and parts at the price of what it costs them..

VCA_AMG

+1

LOL I was thinking the same thing when I read Drju's "correction" of your post.

Dude there's way too much testosterone & anger in this thread. This thread is a great example of why the C63 "guys" get the reputation they have...