anyone with straight pipes all the way? no x-pipe, no h-pipe
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anyone with straight pipes all the way? no x-pipe, no h-pipe
i've tried doing some research on my own to answer questions such as sound changes and possible performance differences... some say the placement of the x or h pipe can make a difference in performance and some say straight would gain the most... but this information was from other's experiences with other cars and not the c63...
my questions are... does anyone have headers with straight pipes all the way to an after market exhaust system? if so, what's your take on the sound and performance change?
if there isn't anyone with this kind of set up... for those who are more knowledgeable... what would be the pros/cons of going with a straight pipe set up and not having anything connecting either side together... so basically, each side would go straight from the headers all the way out the muffler...
my questions are... does anyone have headers with straight pipes all the way to an after market exhaust system? if so, what's your take on the sound and performance change?
if there isn't anyone with this kind of set up... for those who are more knowledgeable... what would be the pros/cons of going with a straight pipe set up and not having anything connecting either side together... so basically, each side would go straight from the headers all the way out the muffler...
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I don't have LTH's but have had both a complete straight pipe (including resonator delete) and X pipe setup. The power felt the same, only 2 hp difference between them but the X pipe setup gave me a little more increase in torque vs the straight pipes. The sound is alot more smoother with the X pipe, the straight pipes sound very loud and more raw.
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I read that it would probably sound better but some have said otherwise about making more power. But this isn't necessarily on our cars. I read that you don't lose power but instead may shift where the power goes in the power band. And on top of that, a custom tune can remedy that.
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Like bluejae said here are a couple of x-pipes :
MBH -> sponsor http://mbhmotorsports.com/
GT-Pro sold through Ronal Wheels http://www.ronalsales.com/
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i realize that he has done a lot of work to his car but i'm not aware of him trying either of these setups with his exhaust system... maybe i missed it...
i'm not trying to argue here... but i'd like to know why adding an x pipe would somehow provide more power and torque for our car? and how dads came about with the decision to go with an x-pipe setup? was it his choice? or was it a suggestion from a tuner? if so, what was the reason behind that?
i'm not trying to argue here... but i'd like to know why adding an x pipe would somehow provide more power and torque for our car? and how dads came about with the decision to go with an x-pipe setup? was it his choice? or was it a suggestion from a tuner? if so, what was the reason behind that?
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Jae,
Its not my preference nor a suggestion from a tuner, its physics. When you bring the two banks together they balance each other. By crossing each other the exhaust pulse from one side helps sucks the next one out the tailpipe thus the scavenging effect. The stock exhaust has a 1/2" H pipe. The peak HP may not improve but the low/midrange torque will and thats what our cars need. Hope that explains it better.
Its not my preference nor a suggestion from a tuner, its physics. When you bring the two banks together they balance each other. By crossing each other the exhaust pulse from one side helps sucks the next one out the tailpipe thus the scavenging effect. The stock exhaust has a 1/2" H pipe. The peak HP may not improve but the low/midrange torque will and thats what our cars need. Hope that explains it better.
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Jae,
Its not my preference nor a suggestion from a tuner, its physics. When you bring the two banks together they balance each other. By crossing each other the exhaust pulse from one side helps sucks the next one out the tailpipe thus the scavenging effect. The stock exhaust has a 1/2" H pipe. The peak HP may not improve but the low/midrange torque will and thats what our cars need. Hope that explains it better.
Its not my preference nor a suggestion from a tuner, its physics. When you bring the two banks together they balance each other. By crossing each other the exhaust pulse from one side helps sucks the next one out the tailpipe thus the scavenging effect. The stock exhaust has a 1/2" H pipe. The peak HP may not improve but the low/midrange torque will and thats what our cars need. Hope that explains it better.
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Jae,
Its not my preference nor a suggestion from a tuner, its physics. When you bring the two banks together they balance each other. By crossing each other the exhaust pulse from one side helps sucks the next one out the tailpipe thus the scavenging effect. The stock exhaust has a 1/2" H pipe. The peak HP may not improve but the low/midrange torque will and thats what our cars need. Hope that explains it better.
Its not my preference nor a suggestion from a tuner, its physics. When you bring the two banks together they balance each other. By crossing each other the exhaust pulse from one side helps sucks the next one out the tailpipe thus the scavenging effect. The stock exhaust has a 1/2" H pipe. The peak HP may not improve but the low/midrange torque will and thats what our cars need. Hope that explains it better.
so then if i were to go with a straight pipe set up and replace my stock mufflers and resonators.. i would actually end up losing power compared to my stock mufflers? or would i still gain some but not as much as if i were to have an x or h pipe installed?
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I am running an X-pipe.
I'm not sure what all you plan to replace with straight pipes but be careful, it gets very loud. Most racers are running MHP L/T headers, no cats, with the stock resonators and mufflers.
I'm not sure what all you plan to replace with straight pipes but be careful, it gets very loud. Most racers are running MHP L/T headers, no cats, with the stock resonators and mufflers.
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I have been thinking about doing this also but am not to familiar with this cars set up as well as my old one. If we go with an X-Pipe what does that actually replace on our cars, the res or the 2ndary cats? I planning on keeping the stock exhaust as it is a good exhaust for our cars.
Also when it comes to x or straight pipe I thought flow balancing really only shows gains after the manifold collectors... so anything far back prob only has min gains. They're commonly used by OE's to quiet a car down a bit... so in that case straight pipe would be cheaper and easier... but im not 100% sure about the sound vs the x-pipe...
???
I may be off in my thinking, let me know what you guys think?
Also when it comes to x or straight pipe I thought flow balancing really only shows gains after the manifold collectors... so anything far back prob only has min gains. They're commonly used by OE's to quiet a car down a bit... so in that case straight pipe would be cheaper and easier... but im not 100% sure about the sound vs the x-pipe...
???
I may be off in my thinking, let me know what you guys think?
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where is your x-pipe installed? what does it replace
I have been thinking about doing this also but am not to familiar with this cars set up as well as my old one. If we go with an X-Pipe what does that actually replace on our cars, the res or the 2ndary cats? I planning on keeping the stock exhaust as it is a good exhaust for our cars.
Also when it comes to x or straight pipe I thought flow balancing really only shows gains after the manifold collectors... so anything far back prob only has min gains. They're commonly used by OE's to quiet a car down a bit... so in that case straight pipe would be cheaper and easier... but im not 100% sure about the sound vs the x-pipe...
???
I may be off in my thinking, let me know what you guys think?
Also when it comes to x or straight pipe I thought flow balancing really only shows gains after the manifold collectors... so anything far back prob only has min gains. They're commonly used by OE's to quiet a car down a bit... so in that case straight pipe would be cheaper and easier... but im not 100% sure about the sound vs the x-pipe...
???
I may be off in my thinking, let me know what you guys think?
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Like bluejae said here are a couple of x-pipes :
MBH -> sponsor http://mbhmotorsports.com/
GT-Pro sold through Ronal Wheels http://www.ronalsales.com/
MBH -> sponsor http://mbhmotorsports.com/
GT-Pro sold through Ronal Wheels http://www.ronalsales.com/
Which one of these is best (quality, sound, etc) or are they both basically the same?
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I have no personal experience with either but think they are close to the same. MBH is a sponsor here and think you may get better service through him. There are a few users on here so do a search. Maybe someone will jump in to help you out with some more information. Send _AMG_ a PM as he has one and he knows a lot about exhaust work on the C63.
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the reason i brought up the akrapovic was that they decided to go straight pipe without some kind of balancer (x or h pipe)...
