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Old 12-28-2011, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by PetroC63
Nice comparison Eric!

I'm curious if 4ramin chooses to update to the new MHP tune to see what those numbers equate too on the same dyno.
I really think with the cats removed and the xpipe I should break the 500 mark or even past at least I hope lol...., not sure if I want to do the update just yet as I’m very happy to pull 489.
I like taking things step by step and that’s why I asked to keep the cats on before the dyno run as they a vbanded and could have been easily removed. for me this was not a case to compare tunes as both cars have different mods. I just wanted to see how bad the cats would hurt me as I use them to help lower the sound on the roads and kill the smell, I really wanted to see a conservative number and its potential. I will be running the car later with an Xpipe and the cats removed but 1st next run I want to see the car with cats and xpipe then 2nd no cats and xpipe...

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Those are GREAT numbers for both cars!! CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've never even hit 500 rwhp N/A.

What tires and wheels are you two running? Weather (DA)?
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Those are GREAT numbers for both cars!! CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've never even hit 500 rwhp N/A.

What tires and wheels are you two running? Weather (DA)?
Im still on stock . waiting on the new wheels and tires....

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Those are GREAT numbers for both cars!! CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've never even hit 500 rwhp N/A.

What tires and wheels are you two running? Weather (DA)?
Thanks Keith!

Both of us have stock rims and tires. Ambient conditions were the same as those posted in my other thread, equating to a 1.00 correction factor or about 0 DA.

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I really think with the cats removed and the xpipe i should break the 500 mark oreven past at least i hope lol...., not sure if i want to do the update just yet as im very happy to pull 489 and lell then 2 tq with cats on.
I like taking things step by step and thats why I asked to keep the cats on before the dyno run as they a vbanded and could have been easily removed. for me this was not a case to compair tunes as both cars have diffrent mods. I just wanted to see how bad the cats would hurt me as I use them to help lower the sound on the roads and kill the smell. I will be running the car later with an Xpipe and the cats removed but 1st next run i want to see the car with cats and xpipe then 2nd no cats and xpipe...
I have no doubt that you will break 500whp with the new xpipe and cats removed. Now what else can I do to keep up?
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Originally Posted by 4ramin
I really think with the cats removed and the xpipe I should break the 500 mark or even past at least I hope lol...., not sure if I want to do the update just yet as I’m very happy to pull 489.
I like taking things step by step and that’s why I asked to keep the cats on before the dyno run as they a vbanded and could have been easily removed. for me this was not a case to compare tunes as both cars have different mods. I just wanted to see how bad the cats would hurt me as I use them to help lower the sound on the roads and kill the smell, I really wanted to see a conservative number and its potential. I will be running the car later with an Xpipe and the cats removed but 1st next run I want to see the car with cats and xpipe then 2nd no cats and xpipe...
I'll be anxiously waiting your results. Honestly, I think removing the cats alone
might put you at the 500 mark.

Good stuff guys!

Which X-pipe are you going to use?

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I have no doubt that you will break 500whp with the new xpipe and cats removed. Now what else can I do to keep up?
I think im the one who has to keep up not you lol, your car is no joke and the numbers show it.

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I'll be anxiously waiting your results. Honestly, I think removing the cats alone
might put you at the 500 mark.

Good stuff guys!

Which X-pipe are you going to use?
I have my own guy in the OC who will be making it..
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I wonder if klleeman use tech tech maps. Your power dyno graphs are too similar. Solid numbers either way well done
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Nice numbers, @xtyper.

Quick question, have you ever tried running your current setup with higher octane gas? It would be interesting to see the power difference on your setup if you let the car adapt up with hard driving, on higher octane.

Also, do you have an opinion on what portion of your gains came from the ROW boxes vs. the hard driving? I would imagine both factors contributed to the power increase, I'm just curious as to how much should be apportioned to each of the two contributing factors (ROW's and hard driving prior to dyno).

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So what exactly does an xpipe do? Does It mount in replace of the resonator or if not, where?
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Originally Posted by Merc63
So what exactly does an xpipe do? Does It mount in replace of the resonator or if not, where?
Presumably you can install it where the 2nd cats are or where the resonator is. The closer to the engine the better. It is supposed to help equalize the exhaust flow. I think the term is scavenging exhaust pulses to better equalize the exhaust flow from the left and right bank of the engine.

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4RAMIN, can you post pics and which xpipe did you get for MHP LTs. I'm looking for the simplest solution pre-resonator. THanks
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4RAMIN, can you post pics and which xpipe did you get for MHP LTs. I'm looking for the simplest solution pre-resonator. THanks
here is what i have done so far cats and test pipes, the xpipe is being done by a guy i know in the Orange County next week. Ill post those pics later next week....
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