khmergod

Good or bad? I want a more flushed look, and hopefully have good performance. H R pamphlets say their spacers have performance improvements.

Been searching around forums and on the web and some say that spacers are bad for the car because it puts extra stress on the drivetrain.

I don't plan tracking the car, but I don't like the idea that it "could" cause major problems in the long run. Your thoughts on this?

G3BML

Wheel spacers are fine. I wouldn't say it puts stress on the drive train aslong as you get hub-centric ones, so the wheel has a flange it can sit on. Just remember to buy extended wheel bolts if your putting on spacers that are more than 10mm.

Regards,
Lewis

khmergod

Thanks for the info Lewis. I wanted to get maybe 10mm for front and back to flush it out. Would you by chance have any links for bolts or recommend spacers. I really like the quality of H&R, so that would be a good start. Will be using stock wheels with 235/40 and 265/35 tires on HR springs. Any info would help

G3BML

This is a helpful video to work out what size of spacer you'll need,... http://youtu.be/3LeFZsyGRrs

And I got my spacers from cksperformance seeing as I live in the UK, that's where they are based. Not sure of places out with the UK but I think they deliver worldwide anyways!

Remember you can always buy a larger wheel spacer if your needing a custom size, and have it skimmed down to the correct size by a local engineering shop that has a big enough lathe.

Regards,
Lewis

adv4nced53

What wheels are you running? If you plan on dropping the car on the stock wheels, get 12mm in the front and 10mm in the back. Back can probably go to 12mm but you might rub without rolling the fenders.

H&R sells hubcentric spacers and is a reputable company, so I'd recommend buying from them. You'll also need longer lugs. For 12mm spacers you can grab these:

http://otisincla.com/index.php?route...roduct_id=1057

If you run 10mm spacers however, these lugs will be too long, so look for the 37mm 2-piece ones on the same site.

khmergod

Thanks! I'm dropped on HR springs. Is your info correct for the drop?

edit. Not planning on rolling fenders, but will it be ok if I full load a car with 3 Asian girls? ~300 lbs in the rear. Joking, but serious at the same time.

OlegKouz

I just ordered H&R 12mm spacers front and rear.

khmergod

I'll await your install and see how it goes . what type were they DR, DRS OR DRA

Diabolis

The only components on the car that will be more stressed as a result of using spacers are the wheel bearings. The wheels sit further out, hence there is an increase in the leverage and thus exerted force on the bearings as a result. Mind you, this is not any different form using wheels with different widths and/or lower offsets where the center of the wheel sits further out than with the OEM setup.

Make sure you get forged 10.9-grade steel bolts (RAD or H&R) of the proper length (28mm + the width of the spacer, R14 ball seat if you're using the OEM wheels) and you'll be fine even on the track.

khmergod

Thanks for such helpful posts.

Staff@WORLD

If you guys need spacers just send me a pm and I can get whatever you need out to you on the same day usually.

Thanks-
-Craig

Diabolis

These are the H&R spacers for your car:

http://www.hrsprings.com/application...ts/25/945/2011

The part # for the 10mm spacers is 2055665, the 12mm are 2455665.

The bolts are here:

http://www.hrsprings.com/applications/bolts

You need M14x1.5, R14 ball seat for the OEM wheels. OEM length is 28mm, so if you're going with 12mm spacers, the bolts you'll need are part # 1454002. One word of caution: the bolts on the rear wheels have to clear the parking brake shoes & springs inside the hub, and unfortunately on our cars the margin is only about 3mm. If your bolts are too short, you won't have enough threads to secure the wheels properly; if they are too long (in the back), they will hit the parking brake mechanism in the hub. H&R doesn't make a 38mm-long bolt, so if you go with 40mm bolts and 10mm spacers you will likely have problems on the rear. I haven't checked to see if RAD makes a 38MM bolt for our cars.

khmergod

Bolts too?

Staff@WORLD

I have black and chrome extended bolts.

khmergod

Would you recommend 12f 10r or 10 10 or 12 12 or 10f. 12r?

olszowa12

I would say go with 15mm front and 10mm rear.

Here is how it looked on my car on H&R springs:
http://imgur.com/a/dKqS2

khmergod

Love the look man! I'm on stock 18s. Front wont rub when full turn ins?

olszowa12

No, no rubbing in front.
But if you go with 10mm in the back, you can't run certain 275 tires (Michelin PSS and other brands which run wider).

Diabolis

Can you guarantee that they are 10.9 hardness grade, quenched and tempered steel (like the RAD and H&R bolts), not some cheap Chinese garbage?

A few years ago at a DE event at a local racetrack, there was a nicely modified E36 M3 driving in front of me. I watched in horror as his front left wheel flew off the car in a tight right-hander (he spun and hit the barrier - he was fortunately not injured) and I barely managed to avoid hitting him myself. After the event was stopped and everyone and everything was safely out of the way, upon inspection it turned out that all five wheel bolts had broken - two had sheared off and three had the threads stripped clean off. He told us that he had bought them from a local accessories store to match his nice car and wheels (I know they were properly torqued as we were parked beside each other in the paddock and I watched him do it). They sure looked nice while they lasted.

I am certainly not suggesting that the bolts you are selling are cheap, nor am I trying to start a flame war - I am just stating that unless they're made from hardened steel and have the proper markings, *I* would get a set of ABS plastic bolt caps instead (a la Audi - I have seen silver/gray, black and even chrome). Just as nice looking but much safer IMHO.

Staff@WORLD

Our bolts are Japanese made and they are made from SCM435 hardened steel. I have been selling these bolts on MBWorld for years, I used to sell them under the profile name Staff@world so I am sure you can loo up my old posts and realize that I am not making up some hardened steel thing because you are asking about if they are hardened or not. I have been explaining the quality of these bolts for a long time and I am sure that you can ask questions about them and customers will comment to you about them.

DadsC63 has bought several sets of bolts from me it all different lengths and he drives his car around the track harder than anyone else I know on MBWorld. The only ones that we make for ourselves in Japan are the black bolts, I have no idea where the chrome bolts are made.

As for the correct markings on the bolts, I have never seen any markings on any wheel bolts no matter where they came from.

Please feel free to do your due diligence before you buy anything from me, I only try and supply high quality parts and the prices that we charge reflect the quality of those parts. the set of black wheel bolts are $120.00 for 20 pieces so they come out to $6.00 a piece and you can buy them in any quantity that you like. If you need 10 in a stock length and 10 in extended length you can do that, if you only need 1 you can do that as well.

Diabolis

That's great - I am glad that you sell quality parts. As I said, I was not implying anything about your specific bolts, only that there are cheap parts out there that look nice but may break under high loads.

As for the bolt markings, every single Mercedes OEM, RAD or H&R bolt that I have ever seen has a 10.9 marking stamped right on the head.

khmergod

I'll be sticking with 235/18 fronts and 265/18 rears PSS as long as they make them. That means no rubbing with 10mm rear and 15mm fronts correct?

m a x i m u s

roswell is running 12mm in front and 10mm in back, if memory serves. his tires are the same widths as stock, and it looks pretty flush. if you run 265's in the rear with a 10mm, i would think it would make the tire extend beyond the fender and possibly rub. i am running 265 in the rear and stock up front, so was going to get 12mm fronts and 5mm rears. this was determined by using my simple math skills, but i'm still unsure. i'd love to see how yours work out.

olszowa12

Yeah, I had no rubbing issues on H&R springs with this setup.

khmergod

Aren't your wheels 19s though? and what size tires.