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Old 06-20-2013, 04:48 PM
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So today I was driving down a city street here in Waterloo which is two lanes in either direction and city parking set in from the two lanes so the right lane although free is quite tight. I was approaching an intersection in the right lane where the light was red but I saw the light would become green before I got into the intersection so I continued at my speed (which was slower than the limit of 50km/h because the lane is tight). Just before entering the intersection a FEDEX truck turns left and almost hits me as Im proceeding straight through. Thankfully I was in S+ and SPORT and yanked the wheel to the right and pulled a perfect last second 90 degree drift-turn and missed the truck by what felt like millimetres! I saved my car and we didnt touch. I pulled to the right and parked as the FEDEX driver did so as well. He began screaming at me telling me I am an idiot and was going "Way over the speed limit" ... I wasnt because there was enough traffic and lots of pedestrian traffic not to mention the rediculous bumps which I cant take over 50km/h lowered on H&Rs. I took a picture of his plate and told him he should be aware that traffic could be coming through on a green light in the right lane despite the person was stopped in the left making a left turn. I was very calm for some odd reason but the guy was livid as if I did something wrong, Thankfully a older woman saw the incident and told me that I entered the intersection on the green (as it was green for about 3 seconds). I have her phone number and she said she would testify if she needed me too. Im tempted to go to the police station and see if they got the event on camera as I know I had done absolutely nothing wrong and actually saved a collision!

Sounds like he may have entered the intersection UNDER A GREEN and PRIOR TO YOU, so he had the right of way.

A Green Light only gives you permission to enter the intersection, it does NOT give you the right of way.
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I didn't interpret the events that way, but I'll let OP chime in.

Btw, I just noticed moosejaw's sig...jeebus.
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Originally Posted by N_Jay
Sounds like he may have entered the intersection UNDER A GREEN and PRIOR TO YOU, so he had the right of way.

A Green Light only gives you permission to enter the intersection, it does NOT give you the right of way.
i don't think this is correct if you're the turning car...

if you're in the intersection waiting to go and the light turns red for you... and now it's green for the traffic coming from the other direction... you would now have to yield to the traffic coming from the other direction and try and safely turn...
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The wording varies by state.

Here in NY.

Here are the right-of-way rules, with examples of how they apply on the road:
  • A driver approaching an intersection must yield the right-of-way to traffic already lawfully using the intersection.

    Example: You are nearing an intersection. The traffic light is green, and you want to drive straight through. Another vehicle is already in the intersection, turning left. You must let that vehicle complete its turn before you enter the intersection.
http://www.dmv.ny.gov/dmanual/chapter05-manual.htm
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The wording varies by state.

Here in NY.

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http://www.dmv.ny.gov/dmanual/chapter05-manual.htm
yeah i figured it could be different for each state... honestly... if being in the intersection is illegal after the light turns red while waiting to turn... there are definitely some places where it's going to take a loooooooooong time to make that left turn... since not all intersections have a protected left turn
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Originally Posted by bluejae
yeah i figured it could be different for each state... honestly... if being in the intersection is illegal after the light turns red while waiting to turn... there are definitely some places where it's going to take a loooooooooong time to make that left turn... since not all intersections have a protected left turn
Being in the intersection when the light turns red is not (usually) illegal.

Almost all the rules are about "entering" the intersection.
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I'm not sure that's what OP is saying though...
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Originally Posted by VaclavSV
I was approaching an intersection in the right lane where the light was red
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Just before entering the intersection a FEDEX truck turns left and almost hits me as Im proceeding straight through.
That would have had to been one quick FedEx truck to get from a stop in the left turn lane to his lane 'just before entering the intersection' if it was no already in the intersection.
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Originally Posted by bluejae
glad you were able to dodge it... even though a person can be cautious and doing everything right, something unexpected can still happen...


the cars who had the green light actually left pretty late... if any of them left when it turned green... there could have been a crash
It was close to the second one except they didnt have an advanced green. The car in my direction in the left lane was stopped trying to go left and so was the Fed Ex truck opposite to us. The truck made a left turn as I was proceeding straight on a green. To my knowledge he is supposed to wait until the intersection is clear before making his turn. Its not my fault that his vision was obstructed by the car to my left. He shouldnt have made the turn!
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Originally Posted by N_Jay
That would have had to been one quick FedEx truck to get from a stop in the left turn lane to his lane 'just before entering the intersection' if it was no already in the intersection.
We werent going that fast. And I was in a similar accident (very minor damage) a few years ago only I was the car turning left. I was charged with improper left hand turn. In my instance the car in the left was going straight but couldnt do so because the intersection was blocked with traffic on the other side so they waved me through. The car in the right I thought they saw me but as I began to make my turn they drove straight only to have ended up stopping in the intersection.

In Ontario if you are making a left on a green you must wait until the intersection is clear and safe to do so. You have no "right of way" if you enter it first but there is oncoming traffic that now must stop for you to proceed with your turn.

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Originally Posted by VaclavSV
It was close to the second one except they didnt have an advanced green. The car in my direction in the left lane was stopped trying to go left and so was the Fed Ex truck opposite to us. The truck made a left turn as I was proceeding straight on a green. To my knowledge he is supposed to wait until the intersection is clear before making his turn. Its not my fault that his vision was obstructed by the car to my left. He shouldnt have made the turn!
And you are not supposed to to enter the intersection if someone is already proceeding through.
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what is this post about? the OP did a fast and furious-style "last second 90 degree drift-turn", and now needs an opinion on whether to go and cry to the police about the whole thing? WHAT???

Well, at least he got the old lady' phone number

How come I can't rotate my car 90 degrees in SPORT mode? These Canadian-spec cars are set up so much better!

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Originally Posted by esses
what is this post about? the OP did a fast and furious-style "last second 90 degree drift-turn", and now needs an opinion on whether to go and cry to the police about the whole thing? WHAT???

Well, at least he got the old lady' phone number

How come I can't rotate my car 90 degrees in SPORT mode? These Canadian-spec cars are set up so much better!
Despite me posting my story of almost getting hit by a delivery truck. I think it helps to clear up whether I was in the wrong or not. To be honest I let the whole thing go but I was pretty frustrated with how the idiot approached me afterwards and was close to my breaking point of knocking him out on the sidewalk. Im not one to go cry to the police but I thought it might have been good start to see if they got the event on camera as this guy probably shouldnt be driving/ working with the temper he showed! I also understand some people have to make a living and what not but that was no way to involve himself after (I felt) he was at fault.
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Originally Posted by N_Jay
And you are not supposed to to enter the intersection if someone is already proceeding through.
It wasnt that there was not enough space for him to safely make his turn. He failed to notice traffic (myself) in the right lane and began his turn. I had the right of way at the intersection. If youre making a left turn and someone is infront of you making a left in the opposite direction, blocking your sight, do you make the turn on faith that no one is there? or do you inch forward until you can see what is oncoming and then make your turn when it is clear!? -Thats what I thought.
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Advice from an older guy who is a lawyer albeit in another country, put it down to an experience and get on with your life. Stuff happens and that is all that has happened here, stuff.
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Advice from an older guy who is a lawyer albeit in another country, put it down to an experience and get on with your life. Stuff happens and that is all that has happened here, stuff.
OP................Advice to heed right here ^^^^^^
I dont know why Canadians get so worked up about altercations like these.
I see them all the time here in South Florida.
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Originally Posted by moosejaw
OP................Advice to heed right here ^^^^^^
I dont know why Canadians get so worked up about altercations like these.
I see them all the time here in South Florida.
Because their traffic laws are screwed up!

Did a little more reading, and guess what.
He was right!

Apparently in Canada, the person making a Left Turn has the least right of way and must yield to just about everyone else.

This is really odd, since Canada usually favors moves to the left
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In Texas, it's not an altercation until shots are fired.
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In Texas, it's not an altercation until shots are fired.
Interesting.

I wonder if their traffic laws account for the lack of guns,

or,

if their lack of guns account for their traffic laws?
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Originally Posted by N_Jay
Interesting.

I wonder if their traffic laws account for the lack of guns,

or,

if their lack of guns account for their traffic laws?
Good question. Reading this thread, guys on the left (or making a left turn) must yield to everyone. Typical of those that made a left turn in life. When a good percentage of the drivers are carrying, you tend to be more courteous, matter of survival.
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This was the Fedex Driver when he cut in front of the OP
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driver sounds lame!!
you did the right thing, but I'd just let it go brother,
good luck
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Get dash cam. Send video to FedEx next time. Have guy fired.


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