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Old Jul 30, 2013 | 04:50 PM
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What do you think of the Dunlop Sport Maxx Race tires that come with the BS?
AFAIK the Dunlops only come in 19". I know Eurocharged tracks his BS a fair bit and he seems to like them. I just ordered a set of R888s for my C63 to use with the OEM 18" rims (245F/265R).

Haven't tracked the C63 yet, but I was running RE-11s on a similarly (nose)heavy Audi S4. Not bad for a street tire but the grip levels weren't anywhere near what you'd get from a proper R-comp.

I am running shaved RA1s on the P-car (they stick as good as any - Hoosiers included) but the car is easily some 700lbs lighter than the C63, has a 50/50 weight distribution and the suspension is set up for track use so it would be meaningless to draw a comparison.
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Old Jul 30, 2013 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Diabolis
AFAIK the Dunlops only come in 19". I know Eurocharged tracks his BS a fair bit and he seems to like them. I just ordered a set of R888s for my C63 to use with the OEM 18" rims (245F/265R).

Haven't tracked the C63 yet, but I was running RE-11s on a similarly (nose)heavy Audi S4. Not bad for a street tire but the grip levels weren't anywhere near what you'd get from a proper R-comp.
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Yes unfortunately I don't think the dunlops come in 18s. My black series didnt come with the R comp tires, just the crappy other tires. I took them off pretty much as soon as I got the car.

I have to disagree in terms of the grip level of the bridgestones. I use a vbox every time I go to the track, and the g forces that those tires are able to pull without breaking loose are extremely close to my r888 R-compounds on my gtr, a car that's very similar in weight to my black series. The RE-11 also wears much better than the r888. Of course neither is going to be comparable to a Hoosier or dedicated track tire, but its tough to find a better street/track combo tire .
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Old Jul 30, 2013 | 05:10 PM
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I have to disagree in terms of the grip level of the bridgestones. I use a vbox every time I go to the track, and the g forces that those tires are able to pull without breaking loose are extremely close to my r888 R-compounds on my gtr, a car that's very similar in weight to my black series. The RE-11 also wears much better than the r888. Of course neither is going to be comparable to a Hoosier or dedicated track tire, but its tough to find a better street/track combo tire .
Interesting observation... I am now really curious how the C63 with the R888s would stack up. I guess I am comparing the Audi on RE-11s to the 928 on RA1s, but perhaps the (significant) difference in grip I observed is much more a result of the car weight, weight distribution and suspension geometry rather than the tires themselves. Need to do some laps in the C63 first.
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Old Jul 30, 2013 | 07:17 PM
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AFAIK the Dunlops only come in 19". I know Eurocharged tracks his BS a fair bit and he seems to like them. I just ordered a set of R888s for my C63 to use with the OEM 18" rims (245F/265R).

Haven't tracked the C63 yet, but I was running RE-11s on a similarly (nose)heavy Audi S4. Not bad for a street tire but the grip levels weren't anywhere near what you'd get from a proper R-comp.

I am running shaved RA1s on the P-car (they stick as good as any - Hoosiers included) but the car is easily some 700lbs lighter than the C63, has a 50/50 weight distribution and the suspension is set up for track use so it would be meaningless to draw a comparison.
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Yes unfortunately I don't think the dunlops come in 18s. My black series didnt come with the R comp tires, just the crappy other tires. I took them off pretty much as soon as I got the car.

I have to disagree in terms of the grip level of the bridgestones. I use a vbox every time I go to the track, and the g forces that those tires are able to pull without breaking loose are extremely close to my r888 R-compounds on my gtr, a car that's very similar in weight to my black series. The RE-11 also wears much better than the r888. Of course neither is going to be comparable to a Hoosier or dedicated track tire, but its tough to find a better street/track combo tire .
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Interesting observation... I am now really curious how the C63 with the R888s would stack up. I guess I am comparing the Audi on RE-11s to the 928 on RA1s, but perhaps the (significant) difference in grip I observed is much more a result of the car weight, weight distribution and suspension geometry rather than the tires themselves. Need to do some laps in the C63 first.
I considered the R888, but my C63 is still mainly a road car, will only track it here and there for fun. The R888 isn't good/safe in the wet when worn, and I only got about 15 days out of them on the 911, would expect the same or less with the C63. But I might still try them at some point. Any known issues with the C63 not being able to cope with the higher g-forces (oil circulation, brakes, etc.)?

I've used the Dunlop Race on the 911 and Cayman and they're pretty good. Grip similar to the R888, decent in the wet if they have tread depth, and quiet enough on the road (unlike the R888, which howl a lot).

I found the RE11 to definitely have less grip than the R888 or Dunlop Race on the Porsches. Maybe the GT-R is able to extract more from them?

Have heard only good things about the RA1, but haven't tried them since they're not available in my sizes.
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Old Jul 30, 2013 | 08:11 PM
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Yeah. The r888 definitely isn't GREAT in the rain...it's better than most people give it credit for, but in no way is it a good rain tire in my experience. But 15 days, as in 15 track days? Wow, either u weren't driving overly hard, or the 911 is great on tires! I get 3-4 track days out of a set of fronts, and maybe 6 out of a set of rears on the gtr. I had one instance where i had to replace the fronts after a single track say actually, as i had completely gone thru a left front. I definitely don't think that the re-11 is capable of matching the times of the r888, but its definitely close; people have tested the two against each other and found it to be less than a 2 second difference between the two, which is about what I'd guess. I don't know how the C would react to the non-XL load tire though.

Can't comment n the gtr extracting more grip out of the re-11, as its the tire I use on the black series, and use the r888 on the gtr currently but will be switching to NT01 or Trofeo R soon.

Never tried the RA1 so I definitely can't comment on those. And those Dunlop race maxx's I'm sure are good, but damn they are expensive! $699/tire, no thanks.

Originally Posted by IAA-C63
I considered the R888, but my C63 is still mainly a road car, will only track it here and there for fun. The R888 isn't good/safe in the wet when worn, and I only got about 15 days out of them on the 911, would expect the same or less with the C63. But I might still try them at some point. Any known issues with the C63 not being able to cope with the higher g-forces (oil circulation, brakes, etc.)?

I've used the Dunlop Race on the 911 and Cayman and they're pretty good. Grip similar to the R888, decent in the wet if they have tread depth, and quiet enough on the road (unlike the R888, which howl a lot).

I found the RE11 to definitely have less grip than the R888 or Dunlop Race on the Porsches. Maybe the GT-R is able to extract more from them?

Have heard only good things about the RA1, but haven't tried them since they're not available in my sizes.
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Old Jul 30, 2013 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jbizzy21
Yeah. The r888 definitely isn't GREAT in the rain...it's better than most people give it credit for, but in no way is it a good rain tire in my experience. But 15 days, as in 15 track days? Wow, either u weren't driving overly hard, or the 911 is great on tires! I get 3-4 track days out of a set of fronts, and maybe 6 out of a set of rears on the gtr. I had one instance where i had to replace the fronts after a single track say actually, as i had completely gone thru a left front. I definitely don't think that the re-11 is capable of matching the times of the r888, but its definitely close; people have tested the two against each other and found it to be less than a 2 second difference between the two, which is about what I'd guess. I don't know how the C would react to the non-XL load tire though.

Can't comment n the gtr extracting more grip out of the re-11, as its the tire I use on the black series, and use the r888 on the gtr currently but will be switching to NT01 or Trofeo R soon.

Never tried the RA1 so I definitely can't comment on those. And those Dunlop race maxx's I'm sure are good, but damn they are expensive! $699/tire, no thanks.
With the R888, I get about 10 good days out of them, then try to squeeze out another 5. You're probably getting less days with the GT-R because it's much heavier than the Porsches, so I have a similar concern with using them on the C63 also.

I've heard the Trofeo R don't last even as long as the Dunlops, but no experience with them. Both are expensive. About $2K a set with the 911, about $250 less with the Cayman.
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Old Jul 31, 2013 | 12:05 AM
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A set of RA1s lasts me two weekends (4 full track days) on my 928 (well sorted, ~3300 lbs with half tank) until they're corded. Even wear front and rear. If they have full thread they are a good wet track tire but they squirm quite a bit in the dry until they're worn down to about 5/32. I've generally been pretty happy with them. On shaved or worn down (2nd weekend) RA1s, I found my time was pretty much the same on Hoosier R6s or Kumho V710s (I've only had one set of each), and the RA1s last me two weekends instead of just one, plus you can drive them in the wet.

I've never driven on R888s before so this will be my first set, but I am buying them as dedicated track tires (I do have another set of wheels for the street with Michelin PSS). Load rating looked OK (93 for the 245 fronts) and I'm hoping there won't be too much sidewall flex, plus I won't be pushing nearly as much.

As for potential track-day "deficiencies" of the C63, I have read numerous reports of people's cars going into limp mode after only a couple of laps due to excessively high oil temperatures (especially on the MCT-equipped cars like mine), but I have not experienced this on the street even during sustained driving with manual shifts at high RPMs. Keeping fingers crossed. Will replace the brake fluid with ATE Super Blue and throw on the R888s (hopefully driving them to the track will wear off some of the mold release compound).
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With the stock 18" wheels, has anyone had issues when increasing the tire width by 10 mm, to 245/40/18 front and 265/35/18 rear? Doing that adds some tire options, and should also increase the contact patch if it doesn't overly warp the tire cross-section.
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I had issues with stock suspension going to 275 35 19 on the back. I would have preferred 275 30 19 but they were months away from being in stock, so gearing feels a little high but is fine.

The main issue I had was the rears would contact the inside heat shield between the wheel and exhaust. Mercedes bent the shield with a block of wood in about 5 mins and it's been fine since. I'd not consider going under 275 now, but would go lower profile next time round. I'm on Nitto NT05 wheels which have impressed me.
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Old May 5, 2020 | 05:55 PM
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With the stock 18" wheels, has anyone had issues when increasing the tire width by 10 mm, to 245/40/18 front and 265/35/18 rear? Doing that adds some tire options, and should also increase the contact patch if it doesn't overly warp the tire cross-section.
I know this post was a long time ago, but how did you get on with larger size tyres on the stock wheels? And what tyres have you run since?
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I run stock suspension and 18 x 9"wheels with 275/35x18 tyres and no rubbing.
Will be changing my fronts to 245/40x18 from 235 when they wear out.
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Old May 6, 2020 | 07:12 PM
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I know I was a wee bit ambitious with a question from 2013. But I thought, there must have been a hell of a lot of tyres changed since and there has definitely been progress in tyres since. I would like to know what tyres people use and the size they are running on the stock 18's?
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Old May 7, 2020 | 10:08 AM
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You'll be lucky to get an answer from 2013.
I run stock suspension and 18 x 9"wheels with 275/35x18 tyres and no rubbing.
Will be changing my fronts to 245/40x18 from 235 when they wear out.
Weird, I rubbed with 275. Switched back to 265s.
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Weird, I rubbed with 275. Switched back to 265s.
I'm running E400 wheels with same size and ET 18x9 ET56 and a 5mm spacer with Michelin PS4 275/35x18 on an estate with stock suspension.


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