sound 8

I fancy a C63, luv the look, however I wont buy until they put the 5.5
V8 TT engine in it. I had a 2009 SL63 , and now I have the new TT SL63,
and it would kill the 2009 63. So C63 Bi Turbo please.

ZephyrAMG

You might just get what you wish for

JumpinJim

That and if they shed a few hundred lbs would be sweet. I loved forced induction cars.

Bardman

I'd put money on it being a 4.0TT, not the 5.5.

SROC276

I would take MB new 1.6liter 6 cylinder turbo F1 engine they are planning on issuing out next year....15k rpm with idle at 6K anyone?

zibby43

I have been driving a turbocharged car for roughly the last 7 years. I picked up my first 335i (RWD) in 2007 when the twin-turbo N54 motor first made its debut.

Back in '07, the N54 was highly underrated from the factory and it was also extremely tunable. After breaking the car in, I installed a Dinan High Capacity Oil Cooler, a Dinan Stage 2 ECU Flash (384 horsepower and 421 lb-ft of torque), some Michelin Pilot Sport tires and voila, my "Base" model 335i (it didn't even have the Sport Seats) was suddenly the ultimate sleeper.

I enjoyed the N54 so much that when the lease was up, I got another one in 2010 (this time an M Sport with xDrive). The M Sport 335i came with an oil cooler so all I added was the Dinan Stage 2 ECU Flash once again.

Fast-forward to 2013: The new F30 M Sport 335i hits the market right as the lease is ending on my final E90. I decide to lease one (back to RWD). At this point the N55 (equipped with a single, twin-scroll turbocharger) has replaced the N54 (which was plagued by HPFP and wastegate problems). I added the BMW M Performance Power Kit (which consists of a cold air intake and a fairly aggressive ECU tune).

The M PPK-tuned N55, coupled with ZF's new 8-speed, paddle shifter-equipped "Sport Automatic" transmission made for hands down the smoothest, fastest 335i I had ever owned/driven. I could churn out 4.2-second 0-60 runs all day. However, by this point in time, as much as I loved the potency and excitement of BMW's growling, turbocharged 3.0L inline 6-cylinders, I was craving a change.

Although both the N54 and N55 had virtually no turbo lag, the responsiveness of the 6.2L V8 in my new '13 C63 AMG Sedan is noticeably better. Furthermore, even when tuned, both the N54 and N55-equipped 335i sedans I had ran out of breath at the top end. The C63 just pulls and pulls relentlessly. I cannot wait until I finish the break-in (I don't necessarily follow the break-in period to the letter as I have hit the 4,500 and 5,000 marks a few times after getting the oil temperature up) so I can really wind it out. I eventually plan on adding the Eurocharged tune as well.

In sum: Yes, forced induction cars can be a lot of fun (particularly turbocharged ones) but there is definitely something rewarding about driving a free-revving, sharply responsive, large-displacement, naturally aspirated engine. I'm confident the new turbocharged motor in the next C63 will be a blast to drive but I sure will miss the NA 6.2L V8 that I have the privilege of experiencing at the moment.

C63newdude

You can do the STS turbo sytems, it is universal and it is cheap. Squire turbo system), it is very popular on the V8 american cars.

csexty3

i typically refrain from quoting wall of text posts, but you sir hit the nail on the head.

it's hard to beat something with mountains of torque just waiting for you to unleash upon the slightest tap of the go pedal.

for me turbo is fun if you like experiencing insane torque building within a few hundred RPM - but after a while the "wait" gets old, no matter how short it is. I owned various turbo cars over the past 15 years, 12 to be exact.

having never driven an AMG with the 5.5TT powerplant, I don't know exactly how sharp the throttle response is. However I don't know if there is any lag at all, as after all it's two snails on a 5.5 liter engine vs. the 3.0 of the N54/55.

even with a 4.0TT in the C63 with its lighter curb weight of the E/CLS/SL monsters than new C63 will be a delight to drive. We live in a great time for car enthusiasts.

kimeran

U guys are 100% correct! A turbo car will be easier to extract power etc. but the enjoyment of a high revving N/A motor that never feels like its running out of steam is just untouchable.
Sadly gone are the days of these motors now, but the 6.2 C63 will be an absolute legend of a car!

papashango

As much as I am all up for turbo's and supercharger's, nothing beats a high displacement, hp packing, high revving, torque monster of a beast.

ecampbell

Except technology.

papashango

When I say beat, I mean in terms of sheer enjoyment. I couldn't care less about some car being faster than me. How fast can you drive on the street anyway.

ecampbell

As a follow up, I will take my 1,000 plus HP supercharged 6.2 over the latest offerings of detroit any day.

Here is a clip with the sound of my car...tell me how that sounds to the sound of an american v8


And yes this is a street car. It had just come from a 30 or 40 mile cruise to the track.

Max.H

Of course... The 6.3 int the current C63 is outstanding. A logical step to forced induction is highly likely imo. Same motor as E63? Not a chance. It's never been the Mercedes AMG way of doing things. Would it be epic? Yes, But don't hold your breath.

roadtalontsi

all you guys think the c63 has lots of torque... go drive a blown 63 or a stock blown 55 motor, or better yet the biturbo v12s thats real torque. i choose my big displacement blown 63 motor over some little 4L tt. no way the 5.5 will come in it, unless its the n/a version like the slk which i dont see happening either.

csexty3

can't argue with that at all lol, always something higher up in the food chain.

forced induction or displacement? why not both

sound 8

There is one thing, that 63 certainly goes but not an everyday car, the cam
must be flooding it before it goes. I like the fact that a turbo car can be tuned very easily with huge power gains compared with N/A cars. Cheap
and quick YES very quick.

pas6201

I am a huge turbo fan also. We plan on one of our first projects being a Twin Turbo C63 Once the E55 is completely done (built block and all) we plan on moving onto a TTC63

ecampbell

Of course they are everyday cars. I don't understand about the flooding issue. These engines have gobs of torque so you have the power way down low.

callmiro

Holy crap Earl!

That Vega Wagon fed it to you....just kidding

ecampbell

lol....but I assume you did see the big red light when the wagon left early.

Vash

Why not? The M156 was in the E63 and the C63 at the same time up until the M157 was put in the E in 2012.

Probably going to be a 4.0 TT though. I wonder just how bad it will be able to put the hurt on the next M3/4's turbo 6.

JumpinJim

Depends. If the new M3/M4 is going to be as light as they say the hurt might be the other way around.

Zeee_Q

I think the new M3/M4 is rumored to be rated at 416 hp about give or take. It's probably underrated though given the way BMW states HP figures. Not sure about the weight though. Bigger displacement, more cylinder, and mercedes AMG having always been faster in a straight line speed, I think the new C63 whichever engine it gets will still be the straight line speed king especially if AMG brings AWD to the new platform, but BMW will probably outhandle it.

kimeran

Will it still be labelled as a "63" though?