C63 or M4?
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Personally and based on experiences with mechanics where I work, BMW is a lower quality product than Mercedes, they have so many problems, is amazing, 7 series are the worst cars made, only last (barely) 30/40K without a problem, everytime we get some they need new tranny.
3 series are good, and M3 if you race is better, but overall I'd choose the C63 all day.
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2012 C63 AMG
Don't even be stupid. New model car (M4) >>>>> wins over >>>> old model car which is being replaced in a year or two (C63). By a mile, I wouldn't touch a C63 within the past year its just going to lose too much. How many special version of this car have they also milked out? That doest help value of any of the cars that were "special edition". 1. launch edition, Black, 507 etc. This car has been too milked out.
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Don't even be stupid. New model car (M4) >>>>> wins over >>>> old model car which is being replaced in a year or two (C63). By a mile, I wouldn't touch a C63 within the past year its just going to lose too much. How many special version of this car have they also milked out? That doest help value of any of the cars that were "special edition". 1. launch edition, Black, 507 etc. This car has been too milked out.
And as I've said before, would you really want to deal with all the growing pains associated with getting a car during the first model year? Rarely does that turn out well.
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Don't even be stupid. New model car (M4) >>>>> wins over >>>> old model car which is being replaced in a year or two (C63). By a mile, I wouldn't touch a C63 within the past year its just going to lose too much. How many special version of this car have they also milked out? That doest help value of any of the cars that were "special edition". 1. launch edition, Black, 507 etc. This car has been too milked out.
Not really, first year of new model, if it is a total redesign, specially talking about BMW, can/may be a total disaster (hopefully it won't), they don't test it enough, they don't have enough information, and they will tweak/fix the problems to second year...Their cars drive great, but are far from being reliable.
You can think however you want, but first depending on certain manufacturers usually have more problems, and i BET BMW is one of them, I know many BMW CM and they always tell that.
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2012 C63 AMG
Not really, first year of new model, if it is a total redesign, specially talking about BMW, can/may be a total disaster (hopefully it won't), they don't test it enough, they don't have enough information, and they will tweak/fix the problems to second year...Their cars drive great, but are far from being reliable.
You can think however you want, but first depending on certain manufacturers usually have more problems, and i BET BMW is one of them, I know many BMW CM and they always tell that.
You can think however you want, but first depending on certain manufacturers usually have more problems, and i BET BMW is one of them, I know many BMW CM and they always tell that.
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Would still rather put up with 1st year stuff on a new model car which is not just a face lift but a new car, over a car that is nearly 8 years old with a little refreshed items here and there. Seeing some of the newer cars on the road I am feeling the dinosaur that the current C63 is in some areas.
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Also one thing to keep in mind is that BMW has full maintenance for 4 years covered (at least in Canada, and MB doesn't). I never paid a cent in a BMW dealer, even for the rental car etc. Which makes the first year issues a little less painful
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To answer OP's question regarding the 507 Edition, a regular C63 is only about a tune away from the 507 HP wise. Another area to consider if you were to use the car as DD is the fit and finish or both the interior and exterior. When I was crossing shopping between the M3 and the C63 back in 2010, I couldn't accept the orange peel of the Bimmer's paint.
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Sometimes, I wonder if BMW is doing the 4 years full maintenance to compensate for Bimmers' shortcoming in reliability. Yes, everything will be taken care of, including rental car. But if it is a M3, I would rather drive the M3 than a bottom of the rung 3-series rental car while having the M3 sitting in the dealership's service many times in a year due to reliability issues they can't fix.
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2012 C63 AMG
We will see, I suspect the new M3 will be quicker than our current C63. Unless you are drag racing a current M3 vs C63 which at most our C63 walks away it really isn't that much of a difference. And you can dump equal amount of $ in mods in either. Plus rumor of the new M3 being a turbo = great tuning potential, then again the new C63 does also. I would wait for a new model car any day be it the new C63 or M3 vs buying older out of date despite fast.
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Sometimes, I wonder if BMW is doing the 4 years full maintenance to compensate for Bimmers' shortcoming in reliability. Yes, everything will be taken care of, including rental car. But if it is a M3, I would rather drive the M3 than a bottom of the rung 3-series rental car while having the M3 sitting in the dealership's service many times in a year due to reliability issues they can't fix.
BMWs really need investment after 60-70K, and by that time your "included" maintenance is gone.
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We'll have to see... as a former long time BMW guy I'm really not impressed with the direction they've taken recently. The M5/M6 are nice to look at and fast enough but they really do not get great reviews, way too heavy and apparently not all that compelling to drive. I also don't find the F30 all that interesting relative to the E9x M3 (my previous 2 cars were E90 M3s).
BMW has to nail the new M3/M4 or their long standing performance cred is in trouble IMO... I'm sure they'll sell a ton of them either way but doesn't mean it will be a better car than the E9x. The rumblings on M3post for years has been that the letter M now stands for Marketing vs Motorsport... especially with things like the X5M/X6M.
BMW has to nail the new M3/M4 or their long standing performance cred is in trouble IMO... I'm sure they'll sell a ton of them either way but doesn't mean it will be a better car than the E9x. The rumblings on M3post for years has been that the letter M now stands for Marketing vs Motorsport... especially with things like the X5M/X6M.
Also, to quote Car & Driver ... "WHY IT MATTERS: Stepping into the Sasquatch-sized shoes of the M3 coupe, the M4 needs to repair the M division's heavily dinged reputation. "
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No. I decided to give my license a breather. I do like the feel of the C63 even if I miss some of the S-class treatment. Not that this car isn't plenty fast. It's just in the S65 you never knew that you were over 100 until a kindly officer informed you.
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Get a C63 and put a blower on it, tune, headers etc.
Then tell anyone with an M4 to come close to you.. Yeah you might not be fast in the corners.. but you'll be that far ahead of him that you can take your corners as slow as you want before he even gets to them.
Nothing will come close to you..
The quality of a C63 sh*ts on bmw and their generic interiors.. Every single class from 3 series up has the same interior.
Get a C63 from 08-13, don't touch the new Twin Turbo sh*t.
507, P31.. all the same **** meh.. a tune and some mods will have you blowing the doors of most of these cars.
Necessary Evils: LSD, Tune, Suspension.
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Then tell anyone with an M4 to come close to you.. Yeah you might not be fast in the corners.. but you'll be that far ahead of him that you can take your corners as slow as you want before he even gets to them.
Nothing will come close to you..
The quality of a C63 sh*ts on bmw and their generic interiors.. Every single class from 3 series up has the same interior.
Get a C63 from 08-13, don't touch the new Twin Turbo sh*t.
507, P31.. all the same **** meh.. a tune and some mods will have you blowing the doors of most of these cars.
Necessary Evils: LSD, Tune, Suspension.
Luxuries
Kleeman or Weistec Blower, headers etc
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Since we're on the subject of sedan(w205) vs. coupe(w204) for the c63, I test drove a 2014 c63 sedan and it was a night and day difference from the 507 coupe we ended up purchasing. The damping and handling are much better in the coupe, but the interior honestly is a lot more cramped and less DD-friendly than the sedan. Already have the e-class and a c300 sedan so we went for the coupe.
Previous BMW was an '08 335i -- that coupe was a better compromise between performance and comfort than the c63 coupe. I was also part of that mess with the HPFP and wastegate issues that the original 3.0TT engine had, so from experience, if I were interested in the new m4 (which I'm not), I would wait and see how the new engine plays out...
Previous BMW was an '08 335i -- that coupe was a better compromise between performance and comfort than the c63 coupe. I was also part of that mess with the HPFP and wastegate issues that the original 3.0TT engine had, so from experience, if I were interested in the new m4 (which I'm not), I would wait and see how the new engine plays out...
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V12TT a superb engine and car's super comfy, but after test driving C63 recently(among others), i ended up getting 07 E63 and really enjoying the smaller/sporty chassis for daily driver. planning to sell the S600 now.
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Have any of you even heard the exhaust of the new BMW M4? The car literally sounds like a lawnmower, and I will be providing you with a short clip of some revving sounds of the M4. Not only does it sound horrible, but in the video you can clearly hear the man say, "it sounds like my Prius." 0:12 seconds
Honestly, anybody who buys a M or AMG car is looking for straight performance. Even though BMW tried to accomplish better fuel economy, this still shouldn't be the reason to put a series car engine in an M car and just tune it to 420HP. The smart car enthusiast, would buy a 335i with the M package, and tune it to M4 standards. You will save money and have an M car.
Enjoy
Honestly, anybody who buys a M or AMG car is looking for straight performance. Even though BMW tried to accomplish better fuel economy, this still shouldn't be the reason to put a series car engine in an M car and just tune it to 420HP. The smart car enthusiast, would buy a 335i with the M package, and tune it to M4 standards. You will save money and have an M car.
Enjoy
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Thanks again. I was torn between an E63 and the C63 now and maybe another S65 as well in the future. I figured it's nice to have aspirations so went that way. But the E is a great compromise between practicality and insanity.
