C63 AMG Black Series -My Impressions
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Unless there was an issue with Vaclav's C63 sedan, the "improved traction" in this case is almost entirely attributable to the R-comp Dunlops on the BS. With Toyo R888s on my coupe, I also have much improved traction over the Michelin PSS that I run on the street. Yes, the LSD certainly helps, but it is not a significant factor at legal speeds in average street driving (the track is a different story).
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Unless there was an issue with Vaclav's C63 sedan, the "improved traction" in this case is almost entirely attributable to the R-comp Dunlops on the BS. With Toyo R888s on my coupe, I also have much improved traction over the Michelin PSS that I run on the street. Yes, the LSD certainly helps, but it is not a significant factor at legal speeds in average street driving (the track is a different story).
Beautiful ride Vaclav - enjoy it in good health and keep the shiny side up!!
Beautiful ride Vaclav - enjoy it in good health and keep the shiny side up!!
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^ that is correct the C63 BS has the E63 rear axle and a cooled differential so that helps better than the base C63 LSD and smaller rear axle 
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That's when you turn off the traction and let the rear steer get you headed in the proper direction in a nice tight, almost circular turning radius lol
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Thanks Guys! Its exciting to still be a part of the MBWorld crew!
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Ill post pics when a proper photoshoot has been done
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Yes, the E63 half-shafts account for the slightly wider track on the BS and the diff cooling is improved, but AFAIK the lockup ratios (ramps) are the same in both LSDs. In actual track use, the fact that you can setup the suspension and use the car at its max for more than a few laps before it overheats is a huge advantage over the non-BS cars. On the street, any "noticeable traction improvement" is pretty much all due to the tires. I have driven both cars on the track and the street, so this is first-hand experience. My best lap around Mosport in a stock BS car was 0.2 seconds faster than in a stock APX coupe with (narrower) Toyo R-comps. Mind you, the BS wasn't mine so I wasn't taking too many risks, but they more or less drive the same with the APX coupe for the first three laps until the non-BS car starts to overheat and pull timing and/or go into limp mode. Did not exprerence brake fade on either, but the BS also has better brakes that can withstand prolonged track use better than the non-BS cars.
Vaclav - don't get me wrong - I would take a BS car over the regular one any day. It is a much more exotic and capable beast, but you really need to be on a track to notice the difference.
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The lockup ratios are definitely different on the BS vs the non-BS. I've posted them here before, too lazy to search for it. It's a lot more aggressive on accel lock, and there's decel lock as well (I vaguely remember the non BS is open on decel).
The biggest difference on the street is how the car reacts past the limits, especially on the rear. There's a lot more rear grip, and oversteer is a lot more progressive and predictable than the non BS.
The biggest difference on the street is how the car reacts past the limits, especially on the rear. There's a lot more rear grip, and oversteer is a lot more progressive and predictable than the non BS.
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The lockup ratios are definitely different on the BS vs the non-BS. I've posted them here before, too lazy to search for it. It's a lot more aggressive on accel lock, and there's decel lock as well (I vaguely remember the non BS is open on decel).
The biggest difference on the street is how the car reacts past the limits, especially on the rear. There's a lot more rear grip, and oversteer is a lot more progressive and predictable than the non BS.
The biggest difference on the street is how the car reacts past the limits, especially on the rear. There's a lot more rear grip, and oversteer is a lot more progressive and predictable than the non BS.
As for the street handing, I think we are saying the same thing - it's how the car reacts PAST the limits. A typical driver (or even those of us with track experience) is not going to drive it anywhere near that on a public road.
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Found one of my posts. Don't have the lockup rates for non BS tho, and the #'s are sourced from Mercedes press releases. Non BS only locks under accel, I don't remember where I sourced that tidbit. Will keep hunting.
https://mbworld.org/forums/5048032-post7.html
Yea, I'm a d-bag on the streets, well, at least when nobody's around.
https://mbworld.org/forums/5048032-post7.html
Yea, I'm a d-bag on the streets, well, at least when nobody's around.
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Found one of my posts. Don't have the lockup rates for non BS tho, and the #'s are sourced from Mercedes press releases. Non BS only locks under accel, I don't remember where I sourced that tidbit. Will keep hunting.
https://mbworld.org/forums/5048032-post7.html
Yea, I'm a d-bag on the streets, well, at least when nobody's around.
https://mbworld.org/forums/5048032-post7.html
Yea, I'm a d-bag on the streets, well, at least when nobody's around.
The ultimate irony is that I think I got nailed by one of the OPP officers that I was instructing at Shannonville some ten years earlier...
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I actually don't speed, other than the obligatory 20km/h over the limit. I just hit corners like a douchebag and slow down for the straights. Intersection? Sideways. Highway ramp? Sideways. Transitions? Racing line, sideways on exit. I then brake like a ***** and cruise control to speed limit lol.
Off topic but are you doing the Vegas event again this year?
Off topic but are you doing the Vegas event again this year?
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That's just it - in Toronto and usually near the end of the month when the officers have to meet their ticket quota - even 20 km/h over the limit would net you a ticket. Going sideways or rapidly accelerating, however, is not illegal - there is no law that says that you can't use oversteer to get through a turn or how quicky you get to the posted limit, so I do get a chance to somewhat legally enjoy the car on the road.
I haven't heard anything about a Vegas trip yet this year from my dealer, but I am going to see Danny, Melanie and the rest of the AMG DA team at the two-day event at Mosport in October. Is it Vegas again this year? Same track? Doing a four-wheel drift through the Carousel in the E63S wagon was definitely someting I will fondly remember for some time. Yes, they yelled at me over the radio but it was definitely worth it.
I haven't heard anything about a Vegas trip yet this year from my dealer, but I am going to see Danny, Melanie and the rest of the AMG DA team at the two-day event at Mosport in October. Is it Vegas again this year? Same track? Doing a four-wheel drift through the Carousel in the E63S wagon was definitely someting I will fondly remember for some time. Yes, they yelled at me over the radio but it was definitely worth it.
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Time to think about mounting a 6.2L V8 on a bicycle me thinks. In this country (and especially in this city) bike riders get away with murder while the motorists are by defnition evil and guilty by default for everythign from global warming to a tree branch falling on a pedestrian 12 kilometers away from your car.
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slightly sideways when it is absolutely unavoidable in a high-torque RWD car, like when trying to make a turn on a snow-covered road at speeds of 2 km/h or less during our long Canadian winters, which is the only time I have ever partially lost traction on a public road. .
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Actually, it will get you in serious trouble here too. In fact, spinning your tires is - you guessed it - stunt driving. For greater clarity, I was referring to going slightly sideways when it is absolutely unavoidable in a high-torque RWD car, like when trying to make a turn on a snow-covered road at speeds of 2 km/h or less during our long Canadian winters, which is the only time I have ever partially lost traction on a public road. I trust we are all absolutely clear on that point. The roads don't always get immediately plowed, and I do drive my C63 year-round. I am certain that rage2 was also referring to driving under the same snowy conditions in Alberta. Those guys don't even salt their roads, so some skidding is absolutely unavoidable.
Time to think about mounting a 6.2L V8 on a bicycle me thinks. In this country (and especially in this city) bike riders get away with murder while the motorists are by defnition evil and guilty by default for everythign from global warming to a tree branch falling on a pedestrian 12 kilometers away from your car.
Time to think about mounting a 6.2L V8 on a bicycle me thinks. In this country (and especially in this city) bike riders get away with murder while the motorists are by defnition evil and guilty by default for everythign from global warming to a tree branch falling on a pedestrian 12 kilometers away from your car.
Haha I got an "Unnecessary Noise" ticket in Waterloo for flooring it off a light and my tires screeched. He wanted to hit me with "Stunt Driving" but it didnt matter because the charge got thrown out. I still drive spirited at times with regards to corners (racing line, or kicking out the back end) but when it comes to speeding Im never going more than 120km/h on the hwy usually -most of the time its actually 110km/h. On city streets same thing -only 10-15km/h over. Its not worth the charge.
Now when it comes to winter driving I had so much fun in my C63 sedan because you can always use the excuse it slippery out!
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I haven't heard anything about a Vegas trip yet this year from my dealer, but I am going to see Danny, Melanie and the rest of the AMG DA team at the two-day event at Mosport in October. Is it Vegas again this year? Same track? Doing a four-wheel drift through the Carousel in the E63S wagon was definitely someting I will fondly remember for some time. Yes, they yelled at me over the radio but it was definitely worth it.
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You were probably there on the first or second day, so by the time I got there I suspect you had already softened them up a bit.
Plus, you know they're going to watch the SLS like hawks. The wagon on the other hand attracts a lot less attention... 
P.S. Seeing as there are very few Canadian C63 BS cars around... is the one that you got Barry's old car by any chance? I saw the SMERC strut brace and I know he had one.
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