WTB C63 newbie questions
11-20-2014, 12:05 AM
#1
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WTB C63 newbie questions
Hey all,
I'm in the market for a used C63. I heard one and I'm hooked. I've read about the head bolt issue which unfortunately for me I can only afford older models from 2008-2010. So I plan to get an extended warranty.
The plan is to have a nice daily driver. But I do have some questions.
1) The cars are pretty loaded, what options were available?
2) What are the differences from model year 2008-2010? Was anything available in 2010 that might be a "must have" worth spending a little extra on?
3) Is there an FAQ? I tried looking around but didn't see it yet.
Thanks, I'm really looking forward to learning more about these cars.
D3
I'm in the market for a used C63. I heard one and I'm hooked. I've read about the head bolt issue which unfortunately for me I can only afford older models from 2008-2010. So I plan to get an extended warranty.
The plan is to have a nice daily driver. But I do have some questions.
1) The cars are pretty loaded, what options were available?
2) What are the differences from model year 2008-2010? Was anything available in 2010 that might be a "must have" worth spending a little extra on?
3) Is there an FAQ? I tried looking around but didn't see it yet.
Thanks, I'm really looking forward to learning more about these cars.
D3
11-20-2014, 12:58 AM
#2
Senior Member
not sure if i can list every single option available on the cars, but the main things to make sure you get are the lighting package with the xenon lights and the leather seats and navigation.
there was a p30 package available in 2009 that kind of varied. i believe it came with an LSD and an alcantara leather steering wheel. i think it also had a rougher suspension.
it was replaced by a p31 package in 2010. LSD was now not included. it came with an increase in HP, some SLS engine internals, red brake calipers, and a carbon fiber spoiler.
i don't believe there are any body differences except for the side mirror covers changed in 2010. you can swap those out from ebay for about $150. they're really easy to do yourself.
the head bolt issue is costly if it occurs, but it's been heavily debated as to how often it actually occurs. i, personally, don't think it's very common at all, but you never know.
i would just try to find whatever car you like. you can get your engine tuned for less than $1000 which basically gives you the same performance as a p31 engine. you can paint the calipers red if you want the p31 look, but i opted to paint mine a different color. i would forego getting the extended warranty, because these cars don't really have a lot of issues and would instead use that money on mods. no reason not to get a tune and there are a lot of carbon fiber parts that enhance the look of the vehicle as well.
there was a p30 package available in 2009 that kind of varied. i believe it came with an LSD and an alcantara leather steering wheel. i think it also had a rougher suspension.
it was replaced by a p31 package in 2010. LSD was now not included. it came with an increase in HP, some SLS engine internals, red brake calipers, and a carbon fiber spoiler.
i don't believe there are any body differences except for the side mirror covers changed in 2010. you can swap those out from ebay for about $150. they're really easy to do yourself.
the head bolt issue is costly if it occurs, but it's been heavily debated as to how often it actually occurs. i, personally, don't think it's very common at all, but you never know.
i would just try to find whatever car you like. you can get your engine tuned for less than $1000 which basically gives you the same performance as a p31 engine. you can paint the calipers red if you want the p31 look, but i opted to paint mine a different color. i would forego getting the extended warranty, because these cars don't really have a lot of issues and would instead use that money on mods. no reason not to get a tune and there are a lot of carbon fiber parts that enhance the look of the vehicle as well.
11-20-2014, 01:25 AM
#3
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Good to know. As I mentioned, not planning to do much but will be tempted to toss a little CF here and there. I also found a door lighting kit that projects AMG on the ground when you open the doors and some LEDs that won't trip the CANBUS for the front.
Thanks!
11-20-2014, 03:30 PM
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Yeah, I'd be curious what the statistics are.
Good to know. As I mentioned, not planning to do much but will be tempted to toss a little CF here and there. I also found a door lighting kit that projects AMG on the ground when you open the doors and some LEDs that won't trip the CANBUS for the front.
Thanks!
Good to know. As I mentioned, not planning to do much but will be tempted to toss a little CF here and there. I also found a door lighting kit that projects AMG on the ground when you open the doors and some LEDs that won't trip the CANBUS for the front.
Thanks!
11-20-2014, 05:35 PM
#5
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Most of your questions have been answered.
As far as the mirrors are concerned there is a design difference on 2010 model. It is not only the cover but the whole unit. These mirrors are smaller. I had a set for sale but sold it last week.
I have my C63 for sale if interested.
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...c63-sedan.html
As far as the mirrors are concerned there is a design difference on 2010 model. It is not only the cover but the whole unit. These mirrors are smaller. I had a set for sale but sold it last week.
I have my C63 for sale if interested.
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...c63-sedan.html
11-20-2014, 06:37 PM
#6
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In regards to LSD it appears that all came with it. The difference is in the 'type' of LSD. The base came with a open diff with clutch packs. Whereas the optional lsd is more mechanical like the Wave or Quaife
11-20-2014, 07:23 PM
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http://www.drivingfast.net/technology/differentials.htm
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11-20-2014, 07:33 PM
#8
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That is absolutely incorrect. Our cars all come with differentials, not limited slip differentials. Open differentials do not have clutch packs.
http://www.drivingfast.net/technology/differentials.htm
http://www.drivingfast.net/technology/differentials.htm
In regards to open diffs never having clutches, your link you provided disagrees.
11-20-2014, 08:42 PM
#9
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Ok. My non LSD equipped car will spin the **** out of both tires. If all non P30/31 cars came with an open diff with no clutches, (as is communicated everyday on this site)then that should not occur.
In regards to open diffs never having clutches, your link you provided disagrees.
In regards to open diffs never having clutches, your link you provided disagrees.
Did you buy your car new? I can tell you that I had my car on the lift at 1000 miles to have my quaife lsd installed.
11-20-2014, 09:06 PM
#10
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No. I did not buy my car new. But the 2008 owners manual specifies that the C63 came with a LSD and references a fluid change at 3k miles but all experts here say 'no' that is not true.
In theory, a open diff would be a spider gear setup and only single wheel pull(no clutches). However, any ford/most chevrolet Limited slip is a open style diff with clutch packs setup in the carrier. This I do know as I have rebuilt and performed many ring/pinion changes in the last 20 years in both.
However, I did speak out based on assumption of what is communicated on this forum and how MY car behaves. I will refrain from this subject until I have had an opportunity to pop the cover off my car and inspect.
In theory, a open diff would be a spider gear setup and only single wheel pull(no clutches). However, any ford/most chevrolet Limited slip is a open style diff with clutch packs setup in the carrier. This I do know as I have rebuilt and performed many ring/pinion changes in the last 20 years in both.
However, I did speak out based on assumption of what is communicated on this forum and how MY car behaves. I will refrain from this subject until I have had an opportunity to pop the cover off my car and inspect.
11-20-2014, 09:15 PM
#11
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No. I did not buy my car new. But the 2008 owners manual specifies that the C63 came with a LSD and references a fluid change at 3k miles but all experts here say 'no' that is not true.
In theory, a open diff would be a spider gear setup and only single wheel pull(no clutches). However, any ford/most chevrolet Limited slip is a open style diff with clutch packs setup in the carrier. This I do know as I have rebuilt and performed many ring/pinion changes in the last 20 years in both.
However, I did speak out based on assumption of what is communicated on this forum and how MY car behaves. I will refrain from this subject until I have had an opportunity to pop the cover off my car and inspect.
In theory, a open diff would be a spider gear setup and only single wheel pull(no clutches). However, any ford/most chevrolet Limited slip is a open style diff with clutch packs setup in the carrier. This I do know as I have rebuilt and performed many ring/pinion changes in the last 20 years in both.
However, I did speak out based on assumption of what is communicated on this forum and how MY car behaves. I will refrain from this subject until I have had an opportunity to pop the cover off my car and inspect.
The manual makes reference to doing differential fluid changes, but according to my tech and advisor, that only applies to the folks with the optional lsd. The manual is vague, but what makes matters worse is that some stealer ships use that wording as justification for charging for a differential fluid change.
11-20-2014, 09:18 PM
#12
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No worries. If you aren't doing dog legged burnouts, I wouldn't blame you for thinking that you have a lsd. The previous owner could have put an aftermarket one in. I was doing 1 wheel burnouts prior to installing my lsd.
The manual makes reference to doing differential fluid changes, but according to my tech and advisor, that only applies to the folks with the optional lsd. The manual is vague, but what makes matters worse is that some stealer ships use that wording as justification for charging for a differential fluid change.
The manual makes reference to doing differential fluid changes, but according to my tech and advisor, that only applies to the folks with the optional lsd. The manual is vague, but what makes matters worse is that some stealer ships use that wording as justification for charging for a differential fluid change.
11-21-2014, 05:34 AM
#14
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not sure if i can list every single option available on the cars, but the main things to make sure you get are the lighting package with the xenon lights and the leather seats and navigation.
there was a p30 package available in 2009 that kind of varied. i believe it came with an LSD and an alcantara leather steering wheel. i think it also had a rougher suspension.
it was replaced by a p31 package in 2010. LSD was now not included. it came with an increase in HP, some SLS engine internals, red brake calipers, and a carbon fiber spoiler.
i don't believe there are any body differences except for the side mirror covers changed in 2010. you can swap those out from ebay for about $150. they're really easy to do yourself.
the head bolt issue is costly if it occurs, but it's been heavily debated as to how often it actually occurs. i, personally, don't think it's very common at all, but you never know.
i would just try to find whatever car you like. you can get your engine tuned for less than $1000 which basically gives you the same performance as a p31 engine. you can paint the calipers red if you want the p31 look, but i opted to paint mine a different color. i would forego getting the extended warranty, because these cars don't really have a lot of issues and would instead use that money on mods. no reason not to get a tune and there are a lot of carbon fiber parts that enhance the look of the vehicle as well.
there was a p30 package available in 2009 that kind of varied. i believe it came with an LSD and an alcantara leather steering wheel. i think it also had a rougher suspension.
it was replaced by a p31 package in 2010. LSD was now not included. it came with an increase in HP, some SLS engine internals, red brake calipers, and a carbon fiber spoiler.
i don't believe there are any body differences except for the side mirror covers changed in 2010. you can swap those out from ebay for about $150. they're really easy to do yourself.
the head bolt issue is costly if it occurs, but it's been heavily debated as to how often it actually occurs. i, personally, don't think it's very common at all, but you never know.
i would just try to find whatever car you like. you can get your engine tuned for less than $1000 which basically gives you the same performance as a p31 engine. you can paint the calipers red if you want the p31 look, but i opted to paint mine a different color. i would forego getting the extended warranty, because these cars don't really have a lot of issues and would instead use that money on mods. no reason not to get a tune and there are a lot of carbon fiber parts that enhance the look of the vehicle as well.
Great post, pretty comprehensive description of the models
11-29-2014, 10:39 PM
#15
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Thread Starter
Telematics differences?
Thanks all for the info on LSD. Sorry abcut I had seen your post but 1) I wasn't ready to buy and 2) I'm trying to get closer to 50k miles or less.
Are there significant differences between 2009 and 2010 for the telematics? How about between 2010 and 2011?
Thanks!
Are there significant differences between 2009 and 2010 for the telematics? How about between 2010 and 2011?
Thanks!
11-30-2014, 12:24 AM
#16
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No worries car is already gone.
As for the difference in telematics there are no real difference between 2008 to 2011. The change is with the facelift model. There might be some updates available but no drastic diffrences.
As for the difference in telematics there are no real difference between 2008 to 2011. The change is with the facelift model. There might be some updates available but no drastic diffrences.
