Johnny912

My buddy has 2013 and it really is a nice ride.....but it's got no feeling behind it....you step on the gas and feel nothing but luxury, I'll take my axe murderer any day of the week. Sure the parts are extremely cheap....considering an lsa blower goes for under a 1000 bucks and that's what alotta the guys with Gus do.....but I think total he spent like 2 grand and runs 11.1 in the caddy headers, intake, pullies, and even injectors, for dirt cheap.....But,regardless of speed, it's definitely the thrill that I'm looking for. Plus idk about you guys but I think our cars have way more top end power than those do......when we race he may pull a lot but after a triple digit number I start reeling in and reeling in fast

avery.whss

i guess in canada it's a bit different, when i was looking @ CTS-Vs 2 yrs ago before i bought the c63 they were like 80-90k and around 2 years old

rentzington

quick search for 2012-2013 models and the price ranges from 41-51k USD
brand new i think they were 65-70ish

avery.whss

where abouts?

http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/ctd/4803556273.html

vancouver is almost 50k for a 2010

CarHopper

Yeah, but I bet the V can do it quicker, and safer. Compare stock to stock or tune to tune. That V with a tune alone with be a beast and is in the E63S league.

It's just hard to compare a cts-v with a c63. The ats-v on the other hand...

rentzington

In tx. They are very pleantiful as well which likely causes lower prices. C63 took me a while to find. Keep in mind theyre different cars, the c63 is more like a wild bronco. While i find the current ctsv to be unattractive and heavy, but the new design appeals to me and seems quicker than current

Its all about options the more the better

rentzington

Yes, sayng 200mph from the factory stock is much different than a modified car.

///AchMeinGott

Your points have nothing to do with each other. Battery powered cars are specialized and basically built to whatever specification someone wants. Car companies have been fighting the EPA since the 70's when they all but rolled over and gave up. Advances in technology allowed a rebirth in the 90's, so it's really only been about 25 years as well. That, and the Tesla may be neato, but it still doesn't fullfill all the needs of a regular car. I can't drive from PA to FL in a day. That heavy Tesla will also get beat by this V on the highway, consider the P85D weighs over 4800lbs. 600-700hp is astounding considering the EPA just keeps putting the squeeze on manufacturers, and they just keep upping the HP despite that.

As to not building something "proper" and complaining about weight/mpg? It's a big car. It's supposed to be big. Your complaint is especially nonsensical, considering this motor is already in a 3550lb Z06.

This.

This isn't a C class car. It isn't an in-betweener like before either, it's a full blown E size car. And if the V comes out at its estimated $85k, you'll also be able to buy it plus a handful of options for the price of the "regular" E63. All that while having nearly 100 more HP and weighing over 100lbs less. It does however, lack the AWD of the Benz, which is fine to many of its buyers I'm sure.

Or step up to the E63S with nearly 600hp, but also costs over $100k. That and the V should be an interesting battle with the AWD vs power/weight ideals. Again though, a V will stomp it on the highway where AWD doesn't add up to much.

ToXicXxX

Cars are much more expensive in Canada.

zcct04

Here's a good video, a walkaround with Cadillac design manager Brian Smith . . . impressive mods.

http://onforb.es/1weS5et

Worth the wait

There are Caddy's already running nines.....got my *** handed to me by one at MIR last year.

Merc63

Can't wait for the HellCat and new CTSV, finally someone to play with.

PeterUbers

Dodge has some of the worst customer feedback on reliability... I am totally underwhelmed by the hellcat

This caddy has class and looks awesome and superior interior to the hellcat.

PeterUbers

e63s more likely putting down 630-650 at the crank stock.

How often do you think people race on the highway compared to from a stop light? Awd is more usable day to day. Can the rwd 2014 e63s and this new caddy likely beat me on an airstrip... Sure... Guess what I never drive on an airstrip lol

Caddy will be sweet nonetheless

Merc63

That went right over your head.

Exhibit13

I would take a charger hellcat (not a big fan of the way the challenger drives) over the new cts-v

CPD SLK

Nice, but I don't like the BMW rip off front fenders

Exhibit13

Agreed

rentzington

now you've got me browsing e63s' i'm honestly quite shocked i found some 2014's under 90k already

Exhibit13

AMG's don't hold their value at all! In just 3 years of owning my car the original owner lost almost 50% of MSRP.

rentzington

oh yeah i know, but when i was shopping for a c63 the 2013/14 models were still within 10k of the sticker at most places. didn't expect the E to have dropped that much so quick.

I got my 2010 (but wasnt sold till 2011) for about 40% lower than orig. sticker. 1 yr old models were maybe 10-15% lower than sticker and the E always had a higher premium

seems to be roughly the same for the current model cts-v's maybe even higher depreciation.

G55K

A tuned C63 will not go 200MPH. Maybe with a supercharger but not NA with a tune. 200MPH, in a car with a full warranty, is very impressive.

PeterUbers

You can get a non-s 2014 e63 for $74k asking price from enterprise sales.... 10k miles, $3k tune and you're at 700hp/830tq and a now questionable drivetrain warranty

///AchMeinGott

I forgot the German big 3 and their underrating competition going on right now. Stuff makes no sense...

As for highway rolls vs stoplight runs? A red light line up has to be perfectly set up in a world full of congested roadways. Impossible? Far from it. A highway run? You could be travelling alongside someone for 20 minutes, yet be going to two complete different locations. It's not like we're talking standing miles here, the V should be the clear winner in a 20-120 or 50-150.

Either way, while I have nothing against awd, I'd take rwd almost every time(they decided no rwd E63's will be sold in the US by the way). Proper tires can largely negate the advantages of awd, but not much can be done to an awd car to negate the advantages of rwd(less weight, less weight up front, less understeer, less drivetrain loss).

AMG6.3

[QUOTE=avery.whss;6271277]i just dont get how everyone and their mom toots their horn over 600-700hp these days...big deal, it has 600-700hp and is heavier, so it drinks more gas..

The new CTS-V will get better gas mileage than the C63 for sure. Its not a German car but is certainly another option for buyers.