whatsupwiththat

Brandon from KLEEMANN here, I have to post under this pseudonym because when I tried to log into my normal MBWorld account, I was told I have been banned for life, with "no reason was specified". Thats an interesting turn of events, and even internet brands cant tell me WHY.



Steve is not happy with his dynos. What no one mentioned here is that the DynoJet dyno he is referring to was done with faults present. Early on in this adventure, Steve got this low dyno. The immediate call for action was that we write another ECU file. I refused to do so because I am that confident the file is correct. A few emails/tele calls back and forth,and low and behold an installation error was found, and it was corrected. The car now "...seems to be running smoothly..." and has no MILs and by ACGs own account runs incredibly well. NO further dynos have been done, if they have, no one has given them to me.

We stand behind what we produce and will go over and above to find the source of any results that are not typical of what the product has historically produced in the past. I think our own 14 yr history on and off this board will back that claim up.

My suggestion is to get the car back to ACG, do another test on a dyno the car has been on before, determine where the power is now, and we can move forward with a correction path.

jrcart

Thanks for clearing that up.....but something still does not add up. If Kleeman is claiming a 150hp net gain, I assume they are talking crank figures, OP did not gain anywhere near 150 crank hp. He should have picked up 120-125rwhp on the dyno but he only picked up 100 which eqautes to about a 120 crank hp net gain.

Rock

Cory and Brandon at Kleemann are extremely knowledgable and honest individuals and I would never hesitate to send my car to Kleemann..........fantastic products. I just wished I lived in Colorado.

Brandon, your user name "Brandon @ Kleemann" was never banned from what I can see. Would you like it reinstated?

ced357

Seems like Kleemann is very willing to work on the issue if you get them all the facts.

OC6.3AMG

Have few friends who have done business with KLEEMANN, and they have nothing but great things to say about them. It looks like they're willing to work with you, I'd say go back to ACG and have them run the dyno again.

I'm very interested to know about the installation error.

SL55_Forever

Kleemann does not play around, the installer is most likely the culprit here.

Girard@ACGautomotive

The installation "error" was an unfortunate result of the provided installation instructions negating a step in routing the vacuum lines for the gas tank ventilation resulting in a fault you would similarly get for having a loose gas cap. Easy fix, but easily would have been avoided if they were a bit more detailed.

Girard@ACGautomotive

We have been a preferred Kleemann dealer and installer for 7 years and have never had an issue installing any of their products, tunes or servicing their parts as Brandon and Cory will verify.

The blower is verified and logged to make the advertised 6psi and has an AFR where it needs to be per Kleemann's tune.

Thank you for your input, if you have anything else helpful for the OP or any factual insight that would be appreciated.

SL55_Forever

That's nice that you're a preferred Kleemann. So from your post you mentioned the baseline dyno was strong (that rules out Mercedes-Benz) and you have 7 years experience installing Kleemann products so that must mean Kleemann is the defect?

COOPERDB

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Could the O.P. Steve MacB

please post an update as

to how your car is running

now compared to before



Thank-You


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Worth the wait

Kleemann has the longest record of superior customer service on this board.

Take the discussion to the track. Let's all stop bench racing and thinking dyno numbers represent a clear picture of real world. Post some vids of Z06 eating performance

Steve MacB

Gentlemen, for those that think I am a complete idiot, let me assure you this is not my first rodeo. I did a baseline on a mustang dyno and I did a baseline on a dynojet Dyno at ACG tuning (they did the work) I did a second dyno after install on the mustang and a second dyno after the install at ACG's dynojet. The 75 lbs of torque increase was at ACG---in case anybody out there has not heard of this tuner--just close this page and sell your car, I chose ACG because they have the reputation of being the best--I agree.
I will try and post all four tests tomorrow.

G55K

I've never heard of ACG but I'm sure they're an excellent company. Has the car been on a dyno since the fix?

Andy0331

This post should be moved to the appropriate forum; this is for the new W205 C63. There will probably be more activity in the W204 section & possibly more insight as a few other guys have Kleemann superchargers.

While I don't doubt you've modded cars before, in your first post you talk about advertised "minimum gains". I can't find any minimum gains on their website, only "63 AMG (M156) KSS
63-K1S: Kleemann Kompressor System. Up to 680 HP and 850 Nm (630 lb-ft) of torque."

http://catalog.kleemann.dk/catalog/c...e/63-amg-m156/

Also, since it probably got overlooked on the first page, you mentioned spending "over 11k"; how much "over" and did you get it through ACG or direct from Kleemann? At 11k, it still seems like a bargain (as far as modding AMG's goes). I might be convinced to pass on another watch & supercharge my CL.

5280CLS55

Kleemann ftw! Had two AMG cars worked on by Cory and parts/service are top notch

///AchMeinGott

I can only assume by his choice of words that it came in under $12k, else he would have said "over $12k." I agree though, I don't think I've ever seen a company claim "at least" but rather "up to" just in case of an unhealthy engine or an oddball, overly conservative (dyno)tuner.

And I don't care if it's a Veyron, 100 crank hp for $12k is absolutely nonsensical. But let's use a very loose equation to guestimate.

14.7psi is atmospheric pressure at sea level. Adding 14.7psi of boost theoretically doubles a naturally aspirated engines hp. That'd be 1014hp. Each pound equalling 35hp. So at 5lbs(correct?) that's a 175hp increase, give or take for efficiency and parasitic drag. VERY loose estimate.

jstefanop

iTrader: (1)

haha apparently both yourself and your installer are complete idiots...

You did a stock pull on your 507 C63 which puts out 507 crank HP, the stock C63 does 451HP...Thats a 56 crank HP difference

The kleeman kit advertises 150 crank HP gains for a STOCK 451 HP C63, so since you gained a 100HP crank OVER your already tuned 507 C63 you in reality gained 156 crank HP which is not only meets but exceeded kleemans specs.


If both of you knew anything about tuning you'd know that when you "tuned" your 507 C63 you essentially returned it to STOCK 451 HP and ADDED kleemans 150 HP gains on TOP... the main difference between your 507 C63 and stock is the ECU remapping(and forged internals to support the increased HP from the remapping), which is completely erased and REPLACED with kleemans tune.

Im surprised the kleeman rep nor anyone else in here caught this...

JonMBZ

I read every reply to see if anyone would mention this.

-Marlin-

Those numbers seem pretty low. Considering the amount of money payed and advertised gains, I'd be pissed too.

nkc

QED

Jasonoff

Kleeman should display the estimated final numbers instead of gains with a footnote specifying gains between model options (P31/507 etc) will differ.

Merc63

Wait wait wait, are these numbers advertised with headers or just the stock exhaust??

Get that ****ty stock exhaust off and put some true long tube headers with 3" mids so this thing can breathe and you will see a big power difference! Make sure you get a new pulley and tune for the exhaust.

czum09

This thread is full of fail. I've never dealt with Kleeman, but this isn't fair. This would be like saying my turbo didn't produce the 600hp I was looking for....

If the shop has been dealing with Kleemann for so long, how could such and easy install procedure be missed? If you ask me, it totally discredits any argument that Kleemann is at fault.

Directly from Kleemann's site:

" The supercharger develops 0.4 BAR (6 PSI) resulting in huge power increases from 155-255 HP and 220-310 NM (162-228 lb/ft.) depending on the engine variant and additional tuning components installed."

I think you will see the gains with proper components installed (headers, exhaust etc..). What Dyno was used in Kleemann's test? What corrections were used? What were the temperatures? This blasting is total misunderstanding if you ask me.

Good luck regardless, I'm sure it is a kick *** machine.

CarHopper

Hopefully BBB and FTC can use Google and find this thread.

You take a 507 (And a strong one according to ACG), obviously more HP stock than a baseline C63, and then don't even add headers which is almost the most crucial part of a S/C application?

Add headers and a new tune.

So much for this not being your first rodeo...

And damn, do I HATE thread titles like these.

WESLEY KAY

Bingo! Finally someone knows what they are talking about. I have researched both myself and have a 507, and am expecting these exact results. And I would be happy!! Op, do your homework before making accusations.