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On another note, that silver looks absolutely fantastic...
I'm ready to bet those are 20's face with 20's reverse lip. All I'm saying is 19's VS-xx & BBS LM's looks small especially with aggressive flares. U can ask member Kriston, he's been there done that with his LM's & customs flares. But who knows, u might prove me wrong once all is said & done with ur car. Lol
Ernst, looks like the price increased 400$ from the first GB which is not bad IMO, the badass look makes it all worth it at the end.
I'm ready to bet those are 20's face with 20's reverse lip. All I'm saying is 19's VS-xx & BBS LM's looks small especially with aggressive flares. U can ask member Kriston, he's been there done that with his LM's & customs flares. But who knows, u might prove me wrong once all is said & done with ur car. Lol
Ernst, looks like the price increased 400$ from the first GB which is not bad IMO, the badass look makes it all worth it at the end.
The VS-XX is great in both styles. To full appreciate reverse lipped wheels is when they are dipping into 0+ or negative. Since the wheel hub starts out in the middle of the barrel, that's where you can almost see the entire reflection of the face. Stepped lip looks awesome and it gives it more wheel more depth and in this case, you can size up and run very large tires without running into sidewall trouble.
Even with the increased cost. You know that these are produced and engineered in Germany by the HMS racing team. The hand work is meticulous and they are sturdily built with spot on fitment.
Originally Posted by Phil Chow
It's about 3-months from Payment to Delivery right?
The first Group Buy took some time because of the month long holiday and the start of increased order volume on this hand made product. The lead time will be much better this time around and you will only need to factor in a few weeks for production, air freight and processing. So the faster we can fill up the 7 orders, the faster they will arrive. HMS Tuning is also aware of a second bulk order in the works so we're all prepared to get things moving.
I'm ready to bet those are 20's face with 20's reverse lip. All I'm saying is 19's VS-xx & BBS LM's looks small especially with aggressive flares. U can ask member Kriston, he's been there done that with his LM's & customs flares. But who knows, u might prove me wrong once all is said & done with ur car. Lol
Ernst, looks like the price increased 400$ from the first GB which is not bad IMO, the badass look makes it all worth it at the end.
Agreed....19" stepped lips will look tiny with flares
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Sounds to me like HMS didn't realize that there was that much pent up demand for rear fenders, and is now sticking it to everyone in the second GB by jacking the price. That's pretty ****ty.
20's with stepped lips look just right, but 20's IMHO too big on the W204.
Agreed Kriston. 20's just look too big for me plus you'd have to run a very thin tire. I actually like the look of a meaty tire far more than a rubber band (no offense to anyone who prefers this look).
Originally Posted by BLKROKT
Sounds to me like HMS didn't realize that there was that much pent up demand for rear fenders, and is now sticking it to everyone in the second GB by jacking the price. That's pretty ****ty.
That's what I thought at first too. Oh well, I guess it will all be worth it in the end.
20's with stepped lips look just right, but 20's IMHO too big on the W204.
Most def.
19s reverse lip or 20s with stepped lip is perfect for our cars.
Originally Posted by BLKROKT
Sounds to me like HMS didn't realize that there was that much pent up demand for rear fenders, and is now sticking it to everyone in the second GB by jacking the price. That's pretty ****ty.
They've been out on the market for some time now and they are more popular in Europe than anywhere else currently but that's about to change.
The price increase for a new addition to a line up is expected. At the current rate of production, it takes an entire weekend to make 2 sets of fenders by one person at HMS. Since they are not an off the shelf product, doing bulk orders by hand takes time and patience.
The perks of this group buy is beneficial to anyone who wants to purchase them at a significant discount rather going direct and at the same rate of time it takes to get them anyway.
Originally Posted by AMG3.2
Agreed Kriston. 20's just look too big for me plus you'd have to run a very thin tire. I actually like the look of a meaty tire far more than a rubber band (no offense to anyone who prefers this look).
That's what I thought at first too. Oh well, I guess it will all be worth it in the end.
Yeh our cars need more tire and there are many different combinations to work with. It's a trial and run process. Find the sweet spot for fitment and tire/wheel combo and you're set. This is crucial for any one who is on static ride height as well. Play around with alignment settings that fits you and enjoy the beast.
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AMG3.2 got his set off another member who decided to sell it. So far he's the closest to completion. All the fenders in the group buy order are in route and they should be receiving them shortly.
has anyone actually mounted these things up, painted etc yet?? or did i miss it?
Originally Posted by Ernst V Bauer
AMG3.2 got his set off another member who decided to sell it. So far he's the closest to completion. All the fenders in the group buy order are in route and they should be receiving them shortly.
Anyone have any suggestions for a monobloc alongside of Forgestar and HRE. Maybe something in a mid price point but reasonable quality?
Jim, there are several well made wheels manufacturers aside from HRE. The below 3 manufacturers have years of motorsport history and are built extremely well.
Rays Engineering (Japan)
ADVAN Wheels (Japan)
WORK Wheels (Japan)
Local Brands (North American)
Velos Design
Rotiform
All of these manufacturers produce high end wheels and totally customizable for any application.
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Originally Posted by Kriston
Jim, there are several well made wheels manufacturers aside from HRE. The below 3 manufacturers have years of motorsport history and are built extremely well.
Rays Engineering (Japan)
ADVAN Wheels (Japan)
WORK Wheels (Japan)
Local Brands (North American)
Velos Design
Rotiform
All of these manufacturers produce high end wheels and totally customizable for any application.
Kriston, I am familiar, in name at least, with all of those but have no hands on experience. I am doing some research, as you know, and trying to decide between a wheel with a lip or a concave wheel and a manufacturer. I will search for products by these and others but trying to narrow the field a little bit and trying to stay will reputable manufactures. Thanks for your suggestions and help.
Kriston, I am familiar, in name at least, with all of those but have no hands on experience. I am doing some research, as you know, and trying to decide between a wheel with a lip or a concave wheel and a manufacturer. I will search for products by these and others but trying to narrow the field a little bit and trying to stay will reputable manufactures. Thanks for your suggestions and help.
Mort, I almost got the MRR FS01 which are built to order in any offset, and up to 19x11 I believe.
All the brands mentioned; Volk/Rays Engineering, Work Wheels, Yokohama/Advan and SSR are all top tier wheels manufacturers - Made in Japan quality with strict JWL/VIA+ industry standards and the highest quality control and materials. Some of their "cast" wheels are stronger and more durable than some "forged" wheels.
Finding a one piece concave wheel will difficult to find in some brands in 5x112 / 66.6 center bore but they do produce them (Ray's, Advan, Work). If like a wheel and is not available in the right PCD. The last resort is doing a PCD redrill (5x114.3 to 5x112). They are VERY close to each other and running hub centric rings. It is completely safe and can be done here www.vrwheels.com - Ask for Andrew and tell him David from Chicago sent you.
For any multi piece wheel, they will be able to customize any bolt pattern and hub diameter.
There are tons of over night wheel brands out there but those brands mentioned are always the go to - besides HRE, BBS (Some models forged and produced in Japan).
All the brands mentioned; Volk/Rays Engineering, Work Wheels, Yokohama/Advan and SSR are all top tier wheels manufacturers - Made in Japan quality with strict JWL/VIA+ industry standards and the highest quality control and materials. Some of their "cast" wheels are stronger and more durable than some "forged" wheels.
Finding a one piece concave wheel will difficult to find in some brands in 5x112 / 66.6 center bore but they do produce them (Ray's, Advan, Work). If like a wheel and is not available in the right PCD. The last resort is doing a PCD redrill (5x114.3 to 5x112). They are VERY close to each other and running hub centric rings. It is completely safe and can be done here www.vrwheels.com - Ask for Andrew and tell him David from Chicago sent you.
For any multi piece wheel, they will be able to customize any bolt pattern and hub diameter.
There are tons of over night wheel brands out there but those brands mentioned are always the go to - besides HRE, BBS (Some models forged and produced in Japan).
Thanks guys.
Great information, will give me lots to search through, maybe too much. I feel I am finally starting to get a feel for some of terminology and how it effects the look and strength of the wheel. Also an understanding of some of the manufactures we don't see much in here especially the Japanese.
I'm so grateful to hear that. A few other members got theirs as well. If you have any other questions or concerns please let me know.
Also I will update the thread later tonight on the updated list with paid deposits. Please don't hesitate as time only prolongs if you wait. Don't sleep on this �
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The HMS Flares are in the house!
Ernst delivered my HMS flares and BS fender liners to Calais Maine and I drove down today and got them. A really great trip about 300 km (187.5 miles) and a beautiful sunny but cool day. So happy to finally get my flares. My package arrived in perfect condition. Thanks Ernst!
This project is probably not for the faint of heart or pocket book...lol
Landed Cost:
HMS Flares & BS Liners to USA ------- $2163US = $2977.28CDN
Delivery to Calais (To Home $331US) -- $187US = $ 252.00CDN
Gas & Drop shipping fee---------------- $50US = $67.00CDN
Customs & tax (13% HST)------------- $266US = $365.04CDN Total parts cost-----------------------$2666US = $3661.32CDN
Installation Estimate------------------ $2300US = $3000.00CDN
HST 13%------------------------------ $299US = $390.00CDN
Total Cost---------------------------- $5265US = $7051.32CDN
and now just another $5000 - $10000 for wheels.....lol
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Have a great day guys and I will post results as they come in.
I'm so excited for u Jim.. This is going to look EPIC!
I agree the numbers add up fast & our weak dollar is not helping.
What scares me the most is finding a good Bodyshop to do this kind of custom work. And I'm super **** about wheel fitment, I would need to buy the right width & offset to make them flush to the fenders.. far from being an easy task.
I wish I could have gotten the actual face value commercial invoice to you in time before you passed through customs. Anyway, for any customers ordering from Out of the U.S., contact me prior to actual delivery so we can work out the customs, duty charges accordingly to the actual product value.
Originally Posted by Roswell
I'm so excited for u Jim.. This is going to look EPIC!
I agree the numbers add up fast & our weak dollar is not helping.
What scares me the most is finding a good Bodyshop to do this kind of custom work. And I'm super **** about wheel fitment, I would need to buy the right width & offset to make them flush to the fenders.. far from being an easy task.
It will be epic!
We are all learning in this thread of what it takes to pull this kit off with the right wheels/tires. This is definitely an advanced modification with many different methods to consider. But once the hard work is done, nothing can compare.
SECOND GROUP BUY for HMS Fenders for Sedan/Coupe HMS Coupe/Sedan fenders, OEM Black Series liners New GB price $2504
1) Dr Karns - 2012+ Coupe (DEPOSIT PAID) 2) Computertom - 2009 Sedan (DEPOSIT PAID)
3) Sonystyle - 2012+ Coupe (Pending)
4) Phil Chow - 2009 Sedan (Pending)
6) Gzim355 - 2012+ Coupe (Pending)
7) RedNiteJ - 2010 Sedan (Pending)
8) MAGASC63 - 2009 Sedan (Pending)
9) JC63AMG - 2012+ Coupe (Pending)
We have 2 orders paid and 6 people interested. If you would like to make a deposit, feel free to PM to lock it down. Once all deposits are received, production will start immediately. If for some reason all 7 cannot be met, a full refund will be given. All fenders will come with OEM Black Series liners (L/R) sides included with the price. When the fenders arrive, you will have to pay for domestic shipping from me to you.
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Just a few test fit pics for fun. I measured the fender arch to floor at 24 3/8" and the flare arch to floor at 25 5/8". The opening appears to be 1 1/4" higher than stock. The center of the flare arch to the outside of the fender is 2" outside surface to outside surface, the leading edge at bumper joint height is 1 7/8" and at the bumper/flare joint to the fender is 1 3/4".
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