Magnuson supercharger installed
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From: Melbourne, Australia
C63 Coupe, 2014, 507
I would welcome the opportunity to talk with someone who is legally selling turn-key kits with tunes that include headers that are not supplied with the kit (or even supplied with the kit). We would like to know what loophole they have found - for all our sakes.
At this stage CARB (EPA) appear to be focussing on larger companies' compliance, but in time the scrutiny will probably shift to include smaller companies too.
It would be to our benefit to be able to supply a calibration for cars with headers installed. Do you really believe that we don't want to increase our market potential?
We have the resources & ability, but the legal ramifications (& EPA fines) are too great.
Is the method we have chosen (Tuner kit at reduced cost, independently sourced tune) really so hard? It gives the opportunity for our Dealers to add more value by ensuring the customer has the flexibility to get exactly the customised solution they seek.
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I have stated the facts.
I would welcome the opportunity to talk with someone who is legally selling turn-key kits with tunes that include headers that are not supplied with the kit (or even supplied with the kit). We would like to know what loophole they have found - for all our sakes.
At this stage CARB (EPA) appear to be focussing on larger companies' compliance, but in time the scrutiny will probably shift to include smaller companies too.
It would be to our benefit to be able to supply a calibration for cars with headers installed. Do you really believe that we don't want to increase our market potential?
We have the resources & ability, but the legal ramifications (& EPA fines) are too great.
Is the method we have chosen (Tuner kit at reduced cost, independently sourced tune) really so hard? It gives the opportunity for our Dealers to add more value by ensuring the customer has the flexibility to get exactly the customised solution they seek.
I would welcome the opportunity to talk with someone who is legally selling turn-key kits with tunes that include headers that are not supplied with the kit (or even supplied with the kit). We would like to know what loophole they have found - for all our sakes.
At this stage CARB (EPA) appear to be focussing on larger companies' compliance, but in time the scrutiny will probably shift to include smaller companies too.
It would be to our benefit to be able to supply a calibration for cars with headers installed. Do you really believe that we don't want to increase our market potential?
We have the resources & ability, but the legal ramifications (& EPA fines) are too great.
Is the method we have chosen (Tuner kit at reduced cost, independently sourced tune) really so hard? It gives the opportunity for our Dealers to add more value by ensuring the customer has the flexibility to get exactly the customised solution they seek.
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Loophole? They are sold as off road kits, the customer takes all the risk. I don't know what the law is in Austria but in the US kits are sold for all makes and models. You are with Magnuson you sell kits with tunes for other makes if vehicles do you not? So why the deviation on the AMG, maybe because you guys don't have the ability to tune the AMG?
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From: Melbourne, Australia
C63 Coupe, 2014, 507
That was a valid & sensible solution, but the EPA have now cracked down on that and made it the manufacturer's problem (sensible & Government are often mutually exclusive concepts). There have been fines issued "For off-highway use only". It is not valid if we supply a kit including tune for a road-car.
I don't know about Austrian (Europe) law either, and the Australian law is also irrelevant - this is a kit that is assembled & sold in the US. We build & supply superchargers for a huge range of vehicles & in every case, including the OEM systems, we either supply an EO & CARB compliant tune, or we sell it as a Tuner kit with no tune - exactly the same as AMG. No deviation.
Yes... we do have the ability to tune the AMG. We have two full-time specialists in the Calibration department and I personally also have hardware & software that I use for tuning my C63 (which we use as a development vehicle). We chose to outsource the production calibration on this project because we were doing several other platforms in-house at that time, and the knowledge and experience OETuning gave the project a great boost (yes, pun intended)... especially as we go through the many iterations of ECU's to get an EO.
Maybe this should all be in another thread - we seem to have diverted from Cli63's install.
I don't know what the law is in Austria but in the US kits are sold for all makes and models. You are with Magnuson you sell kits with tunes for other makes if vehicles do you not? So why the deviation on the AMG, maybe because you guys don't have the ability to tune the AMG?
Yes... we do have the ability to tune the AMG. We have two full-time specialists in the Calibration department and I personally also have hardware & software that I use for tuning my C63 (which we use as a development vehicle). We chose to outsource the production calibration on this project because we were doing several other platforms in-house at that time, and the knowledge and experience OETuning gave the project a great boost (yes, pun intended)... especially as we go through the many iterations of ECU's to get an EO.
Maybe this should all be in another thread - we seem to have diverted from Cli63's install.
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You're not gonna run any decent times with a 2.06 60FT.....get yourself a tire and into the 10's!
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We did have a couple of cars out last night, both were on street tyres.
My car was full weight (including spare wheel, full tank of fuel, & overweight driver
).My rears are PS AS3's (275/30/19). First time on the track in 25 years, and I could not get traction. Failed terribly on the first run; 11.56 @ 129.6 on 2nd run; and then ran 11.37 @ 129.9 on the final pass. With practice I speculate an 11.1 would be my best on streets, sub-11 with slicks.
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C63 507
I too have had a magnuson kit installed on my 507 for almost 6 weeks and I have been pretty happy with the results so far
The guys at Power Torque in Brisbane have done a professional install and Mark has been working with Ken in developing a custom tune for my car and so far the power has been more then expected.
The kit comes with all the parts required for a factory looking install
I have the bigger injectors and smaller pulley at the moment but I am waiting for the bigger balancer pulley
The guys at Power Torque in Brisbane have done a professional install and Mark has been working with Ken in developing a custom tune for my car and so far the power has been more then expected.
The kit comes with all the parts required for a factory looking install
I have the bigger injectors and smaller pulley at the moment but I am waiting for the bigger balancer pulley
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From: Henderson,NV
2014 C63 AMG Coupe 507 ED
What is the difference between Magnuson SC vs Weistec Stages 1-2. Based on the quotes they have given me, Magnuson is definitely cheaper.
current on my build I have 2014 C63 507 coupe,
with k&n filters and ARH long tube with 200 cell cats.
current on my build I have 2014 C63 507 coupe,
with k&n filters and ARH long tube with 200 cell cats.
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From: Honolulu, Hawaii
2014 C63 AMG Edition 507 coupe
Do some basic reading about superchargers and you can start to understand the major differences. For starters, the Weistec and ESS systems use a Whipple twin-screw and the Magnuson uses a TVS roots-type. Weistec also changes the displacement on the Whipple between stage 1/2 and stage 3. The ESS and the Weistec stage 3 are somewhat comparable using a larger 2.9/3.0L gen 3.
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2012 C63 AMG Coupe P31 Magnuson Super Charged
Magnuson is a great kit I got one. Intercooler is front mount water to air not sandwiched between hot parts. I believe mag runs the coolest. Not that it would be a huge difference. Picked up 120 rwhp at 5.5 psi and mild tune just with headers. Drives better than stock. Can't speak for the others except the weistec has an 8 rib pulley set which really the mag needs too for grip. Clean as install though.
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From: Henderson,NV
2014 C63 AMG Coupe 507 ED
I was doing research, magnuson has a kit, so does weistec and ess. I'm trying to figure out which kit will be the best for longevity. Since it will be my daily driver. I have a '14 507 coupe with 15k miles. magnuson will do 3 yr 36k miles warranty if I install before 36k miles on my car. Others have only 1 year.
Did you think about a pulley upgrade on your SC kit? hows the cooling performance overall (elevated engine temps?)
Did you think about a pulley upgrade on your SC kit? hows the cooling performance overall (elevated engine temps?)
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2012 C63 AMG Coupe P31 Magnuson Super Charged
Magnuson is my daily. Literally better than stock tuned but when you punch it she hammers except you can still cruise normal. I didn't do the pulley upgrade though and engine and oil temps are no different either. I got 110000km and she is sweet touch wood.
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From: Henderson,NV
2014 C63 AMG Coupe 507 ED
Nice! I'm saving up for my build. I was also thinking on adding a weistec trans oil pan. People are saying since it can carry a few more liters temps run cooler and is smoothing out operation. How much was the install for the MAG S/C?
what tune did you go for? any recommendations? On highway speeds does your MPG increase?
what tune did you go for? any recommendations? On highway speeds does your MPG increase?
