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Old 02-03-2017, 07:08 PM
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Not trying to start a fight but you are dead wrong.
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I'm sure there are variances - I'd say it's a pretty good gauge based on the testing and observation we have done - you're welcomed to use any blend % you'd like, as is everyone else. On every car we've tested this rule of thumb holds true and is a very good staring point.

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Okay, I'll bite.
You are saying that E80 has no advantage as a fuel but E85 is magic juice?
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Okay, I'll bite.
You are saying that E80 has no advantage as a fuel but E85 is magic juice?
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I think there may have simply been a misunderstanding.

First off - "E85" is a trade name for those who didn't know, and it can vary in actual ethanol content from about 51% to 83%, sometimes more, but that's the approx range you'll find at the pump.

What is was saying it that in N/A cars, we have seen very good gains up to 80% Ethanol content, and not too much more after that.

For forced induction (F/I) cars, we have used all the way up to Ignite E98 (98% ethanol content) and still picked up power all the way to that point.

Hope that clears things up!

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Originally Posted by compaddict
Okay, I'll bite.
You are saying that E80 has no advantage as a fuel but E85 is magic juice?
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wow 😂 Please google e85. Pump e85 can be as low as 51 percent ethanol at various pumps not 85 percent it varies pump to pump you must have never looked at one says it right on there
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I apologize profusely! I totally misread your post.
Here in CA E85 is spot on 85 15. We don't even bother testing it anymore.
We use it in NA Miata engines with Tec3r engine management and it can make incredible power with nutso lead.
Sorry again for my comprehension of what you said.
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I think there may have simply been a misunderstanding.

First off - "E85" is a trade name for those who didn't know, and it can vary in actual ethanol content from about 51% to 83%, sometimes more, but that's the approx range you'll find at the pump.

What is was saying it that in N/A cars, we have seen very good gains up to 80% Ethanol content, and not too much more after that.

For forced induction (F/I) cars, we have used all the way up to Ignite E98 (98% ethanol content) and still picked up power all the way to that point.

Hope that clears things up!

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I apologize profusely! I totally misread your post.
Here in CA E85 is spot on 85 15. We don't even bother testing it anymore.
We use it in NA Miata engines with Tec3r engine management and it can make incredible power with nutso lead.
Sorry again for my comprehension of what you said.
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No worries! I figured it was something like that. So when are we gonna get your S63 on the corn?!?!

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************OK - FAIR WARNING!***************

I fix cars, I'm no actor, and have limited video skills. The kit is simple, so I made a simple install video. Don't be too hard on me please I tried my best to be thorough and informative. As always, if you have follow-up questions, I'm happy to field them!

It's about 10 minutes long.

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When you make me a kit that is that easy.. I would be on that!
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When you make me a kit that is that easy.. I would be on that!
I do make a kit that is that easy

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what mods are on the S63?
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Not even a tune?

Makes it even easier! Tune and E85 will get you into longtube headers territory (power wise)

AND you car will be flex! You may also check with your Tax person, because there are TAX CREDITS available for converting your vehicle to run on an alternative fuel

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/laws/state

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Dave, forgive my ignorance, but won't it be needed a bigger fuel pump, as the injectors are "bigger" ?

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Dave, forgive my ignorance, but won't it be needed a bigger fuel pump, as the injectors are "bigger" ?

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It will have to be tested with blower cars - but I generally recommend installing a higher capacity fuel system if you have a supercharger and want to run Ethanol on the M156. Many folks I have talked to already have made the changes including, pumps, lines, and external filter/regulator.

I am working on a solution for the C63 currently, but the priority at the moment is the E55 fuel tank lids.

I will keep you all posted as I progress on that project.

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Few questions for you....
So people with stage 3 blower want it - stock fuel line sizing is too small for them on ethanol i get that. What about stage 2 people? Im putting down 53Xwhp/wtq zone, so Am i a candidate for this? I know my timing is very octane limited. Obviously Id much rather have a way bigger over kill system than be pushing the limits of an undersized or barely up to par system, and who knows maybe some day step up to the big boy blower.

Another question - by altering the injector pw after the m.e. has determined the engine's torque output via can to the transmission - which is actually incorrect at this point as it isnt aware of the difference in power output from the e85- isnt this going to cause weird shifting problems and premature wear on transmissions? (youre the tester just curious on results thus far, i suppose on an n/a car the output difference of say 10-15% isnt really enough to be an issue, on a boosted car a quite a different story)

To add to that I can tell you first hand if your car is equipped with the mct transmission rated for 1000nm youre good to go. If you have the old school torque converter style transmission rated for 700nm and run a tune and headers etc... and e85 you will actually break into the 500whp+ club (dont believe the pump gas lies) - your transmission will be on burrowed time and life will be reduced drastically depending on your driving style. I realize my blown stage 2 car makes alot more low end torque than an n/a e85'd car will, but my transmission is starting to slip once again. first go around lasted about 18-20kmi, and even with the upgraded valve body after the first rebuild it's looking like its time again with another 20k mi on the clock, so just a heads up for you guys. I will add my wife really drives the **** out it. haha.

whats the deal with the e55 lids? they are plastic and all get replaced under that fuel system campaign ;P .

Will there be any other alterations or programming changes offered with this kit? For instance by changing the injector sizing alone should ultimately require a re-tune to adjust the dead times and flow ratings at different pressures/voltages? Id also much rather throw in some id725-850's or hell maybe even 1000/1050x's. Any thoughts on just offering the adapter kit separately without injectors?
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Originally Posted by DavesMeanE's
************OK - FAIR WARNING!***************

I fix cars, I'm no actor, and have limited video skills. The kit is simple, so I made a simple install video. Don't be too hard on me please I tried my best to be thorough and informative. As always, if you have follow-up questions, I'm happy to field them!

It's about 10 minutes long.

https://youtu.be/TiUqmwvDu_o
Yes, this video is/woulda been helpful if it hadn't been for my enthusiasm/desire to live dangerously for mods. Somehow I have the ground on the opposite shock tower.
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Originally Posted by DavesMeanE's
************OK - FAIR WARNING!***************

I fix cars, I'm no actor, and have limited video skills. The kit is simple, so I made a simple install video. Don't be too hard on me please I tried my best to be thorough and informative. As always, if you have follow-up questions, I'm happy to field them!

It's about 10 minutes long.

https://youtu.be/TiUqmwvDu_o
nice vid, but what about the injector install?
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Yes, this video is/woulda been helpful if it hadn't been for my enthusiasm/desire to live dangerously for mods. Somehow I have the ground on the opposite shock tower.
It doesn't make a difference - its symmetrical so you can fit the harness either way
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Eita, tem mais Brazuca aqui!!
Po**a cara! Finalmente um brasileiro aqui!
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Vai converter sua w204 pro álcool também?? Abraços!
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nice vid, but what about the injector install?

I can do that

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Po**a cara! Finalmente um brasileiro aqui!
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kkkkkkk é nois fi!! Vei, a grana no momento ta curta pq acabamos de comprar uma casa e aos pouco pondo os moveis... ja tem uma puta lista de coisa q quero comprar antes do tune, mas um dia compro saporra! E tu? Vai nessa?
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So! We have had bad luck getting injectors back, which is fine - I guess we just didn't expect so many people to want to keep their stock Is. This is fine, butt will change the structure of how we sell the kits

If you have Longtubes (and need injectors) we can supply new Bosch injectors, or we can put you in touch with the company. As stated before, WE ARE NOT looking to make money on the injectors, so know you will be getting the best possible price

Please PM me on here, or call the shop at 512-777-2799 to discuss options and pricing

Thanks a lot!

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I'm a newbie to all this, do 1 step colder plugs have any effect on combustion or results with E85?
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I'm a newbie to all this, do 1 step colder plugs have any effect on combustion or results with E85?
What other mods do you have? Why did you decide to go a step colder on the plugs?

We haven't ever tested on an M156 with colder plugs, but on the E55 we have 2 steps colder and it runs great. I can't think of a reason it would care too much.

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