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A lot of the same jokers that are talking shyt here got silenced in the 500whp thread. You got all the data that you wanted and when you couldn't prove it otherwise and you guys tucked tail.
Have any of you noticed that everyone posting about this is calling it a BETA tune? Why on earth would Jerry or EC come on here spill the beans on their BETA tune. I like to think/know some of you are smart but sometimes I'm like �� Take the emotions out of it and lets all make more power than we did before and
A lot of the same jokers that are talking shyt here got silenced in the 500whp thread. You got all the data that you wanted and when you couldn't prove it otherwise and you guys tucked tail.
Have any of you noticed that everyone posting about this is calling it a BETA tune? Why on earth would Jerry or EC come on here spill the beans on their BETA tune. I like to think/know some of you are smart but sometimes I'm like �� Take the emotions out of it and lets all make more power than we did before and
It's not that. This is just a premature post from someone who's not technically inclined.
The HOW is very important here. Nobody needs to know the low level details but the high level explanation would be appreciated. A "mechanically" inexperienced member saying "this tune is able to crack into the Variable Valve timing file" is pretty much garbage info.
Not sure why some members trash EC like they do. It's their customers running their gums in all these posts not EC...
It's not that. This is just a premature post from someone who's not technically inclined.
The HOW is very important here. Nobody needs to know the low level details but the high level explanation would be appreciated. A "mechanically" inexperienced member saying "this tune is able to crack into the Variable Valve timing file" is pretty much garbage info.
Not sure why some members trash EC like they do. It's their customers running their gums in all these posts not EC...
Here is a direct quote from Jerry when asked about the v7.
"The only thing I can share at this point in time is that we are heavily modifying the VVT, ignition advance and fueling. We are using HP Tuners and our normal software to create V7."
Some of you may not like the fact that they didn't say exactly how or why but like others have said it makes sense because this is still in testing. If you wrote a new software program or engine tune you would want to get it out there and let people test it before you released it to the world.. kind of like what Microsoft should do instead of releasing windows and then fixing the errors.
The proof will be in the numbers.. Eurocharged has put themselves out there and if this proves to be a flop then it will be all on them. We have already seen dyno results with all correction data from at least two members. I am eager to see how it plays out with a basically stock car.
If you put yourself in EC's position I would not want information released unless I was very confident in the results. I asked permission from Jerry before making this post and he knew I planned to do some dyno pulls and post the results. I can only hope for the best but if it fails then it fails. Technology advances and provides new opportunities every day. We should all be excited about new ways of making power
A lot of the same jokers that are talking shyt here got silenced in the 500whp thread.
With all due respect, there is a big difference between talking shyt and being a smart ***. I myself, for example, am a USDA Prime Smart ***. Fully certified, admitted and acknowledged.
You aren't going to get people to be too serious around here,
and thats a good thing I think.
I went silent on the 500hp thread cos I was out of the country and off this forum for a couple weeks, as I will be for most of August. When I got back it was done and dusted.
With all due respect, there is a big difference between talking shyt and being a smart ***. I myself, for example, am a USDA Prime Smart ***. Fully certified, admitted and acknowledged.
You aren't going to get people to be too serious around here,
and thats a good thing I think.
I went silent on the 500hp thread cos I was out of the country and off this forum for a couple weeks, as I will be for most of August. When I got back it was done and dusted.
100% on point. Most of us were just having a bit of very harmless fun. Didn't get too serious until recently in the other thread.
For the sake of it, I'm going to drop all V7 convo's. Seems a lot of butthurt came from it and it's really not worth creating enemies over something so silly.
Here is a direct quote from Jerry when asked about the v7.
"The only thing I can share at this point in time is that we are heavily modifying the VVT, ignition advance and fueling. We are using HP Tuners and our normal software to create V7."
I and others have posted this before, but this is an excellent explanation of how some of this stuff works.
They must have figured out how to pulse the solenoids to control oil pressure in the adjuster to achieve desired cam profiles across the RPM range varied by load which is pretty sweet. I always thought it was full advance or retard similar to how others switch to a different cam profile all together.
LOL some people on this forum are ****ed. So many entitled people. So many negative people. This is a BETA tune. Let the OP give his input and keep your negativity to yourselves. HOLY **** I'm really starting to detest the W204 section of this forum.
Instead of coming together as a community, all I see is a select few bashing others every single opportunity they get. Especially when it comes to anything related to making more power.
This forum, and all parties involved, would be a lot better off if there were some involved moderators around here. Thats how this place turned into a cage match in the first place.
I don't think there is any new **** going on it just more agressive tuning like the old days before we didn't know the limits of the 156.
There most certainly is something new. There's only so much you can do with a fuel and ignition map, which is why the power has remained relatively consistent the past 6 years.
Did you miss the quote from Jerry the OP c&p above?
Originally Posted by Jerry to OP
The only thing I can share at this point in time is that we are heavily modifying the VVT, ignition advance and fueling. We are using HP Tuners and our normal software to create V7.
You don't just pick up 40-50WHP with magic. This is why some members found it hard to believe the "unicorn" dynos etc. EC figured out how to mess with valve timing which is where all the new found power is likely coming from.
This is exciting news and I'm very interested in the how once they can share some of the technical details.
There most certainly is something new. There's only so much you can do with a fuel and ignition map, which is why the power has remained relatively consistent the past 6 years.
Did you miss the quote from Jerry the OP c&p above?
You don't just pick up 40-50WHP with magic. This is why some members found it hard to believe the "unicorn" dynos etc. EC figured out how to mess with valve timing which is where all the new found power is likely coming from.
This is exciting news and I'm very interested in the how once they can share some of the technical details.
All I'm saying is cars made 475 sae whp back in the day with stock exhaust.
Those tunes with full headers would make today's numbers
They must have figured out how to pulse the solenoids to control oil pressure in the adjuster to achieve desired cam profiles across the RPM range varied by load which is pretty sweet. I always thought it was full advance or retard similar to how others switch to a different cam profile all together.
Didnt bother changing my V5 to V6 but may change IF they have managed to tune the VVT and its a change, Saying that I would probably wait a while to see if people encounter problems. So lets wait and see.
all these threads and bickering are why i went OETuning. "it just works" oh and they don't have twenty versions of a tune, just one that works. when i tune standalones, once the tune is done its done, there is NO MORE power to be made without sacrificing safety of the engine at elevated temps. people have reported back my tune still runs strong 5 years later.
again...what are we talking about here? HP Tuners being a better tuning suite than DIMSPORT...DUH its almost a standalone at this point.
They must have figured out how to pulse the solenoids to control oil pressure in the adjuster to achieve desired cam profiles across the RPM range varied by load which is pretty sweet. I always thought it was full advance or retard similar to how others switch to a different cam profile all together.
I just finished dyno testing at an independent shop here in Albuquerque NM. My car is a P31 with AFE filters and ROW airboxes. I did a base and then loaded the v6 and finally the v7 Beta. The tests were done on a dynojet and ambient temp and correction factor are displayed. I'll let the numbers speak for themselves... These are the v7 beta numbers.
Max power was 443hp and 403 tq an increase of 53hp and 47tq over stock.
Last edited by C63fora2w1; 07-21-2017 at 01:09 PM.
So is that safe to assume factory software to V7 is good for ~60 whp?
Thanks again for proving the point once more OP i mean "noob" really glad you are happy with the tune and also that it wasn't you just being a noob with a fancy description of the tune and a major "noob" placebo effect going on
I just finished dyno testing at an independent shop here in Albuquerque NM. My car is a P31 with AFE filters and ROW airboxes. I did a base and then loaded the v6 and finally the v7 Beta. The tests were done on a dynojet and ambient temp and correction factor are displayed. I'll let the numbers speak for themselves... These are the v7 beta numbers.
Max power was 443hp and 403 tq an increase of 53hp and 47tq over stock.
Uh, before anyone takes these charts seriously, did you notice the barometric preassure = 24.88 in Hg???
Normal barometric pressure is in the 29 to 31 in Hg range!!
Something is SERIOUSLY wrong with that dyno's pressure sensor.
That should have generated a wildly implausible correction factor, but I am unable to make out the correction factor on the posted image because it is so small and low resolution.
Uh, before anyone takes these charts seriously, did you notice the barometric pressure = 24.88 in Hg???
Normal barometric pressure is in the 29 to 31 in Hg range!!
Something is SERIOUSLY wrong with that dyno's pressure sensor.
That should have generated a wildly implausible correction factor, but I am unable to make out the correction factor on the posted image because it is so small and low resolution.
Jim G
I'm at 5312 feet elevation .. I'm no expert but that may have something to do with it. Correction factor is 1.26
Last edited by C63fora2w1; 07-21-2017 at 01:44 PM.
I'm at 6000 feet elevation .. I'm no expert but that may have something to do with it. Correction factor is 1.26
I thought of that, but according to the online weather reports, the barometric pressure at Albuquerque has been above 30 in Hg for the past 3 days . . .
07-19-2017, 08:58 PM
really glad you are happy with the tune and also that it wasn't you just being a noob with a fancy description of the tune and a major "noob" placebo effect going on 
