Eurocharged V_7 Beta Test
07-24-2017, 09:18 AM
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07-24-2017, 09:24 AM
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07-24-2017, 11:38 AM
#104
It's called "built in obsolescence". Why release one tune and be done, when you can instead release multiple incrementally better tunes gradually over time and therefore multiply your revenue. 10-20whp every time, releases 6-12 months apart. If you ask me, I bet there's 50whp still left on the bench, just waiting to be released.
07-24-2017, 11:48 AM
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But EC doesn't charge existing customers for a new version, right? And the last M156-equipped car was produced two years ago, so no "new car tune sales" to be mined. But it's a very sound marketing strategy nonetheless to keep the tune fresh in the eyes of enthusiasts and build value in the product and the brand. And it's damn good customer value and that's the important part of this equation.
I believe EC charges $50 to get the most current version BUT since this is a Beta version they are giving it away for FREE !! Just send them an email and they will send it to you to try out.
07-24-2017, 12:08 PM
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This is what puzzles me too.
I reached out to him to send me a data log so I can compare load, timing and maf g/s, but didn't hear back from him, so...
What I'm thinking is that what we need would be a sample of data from cars that are; bone stock, P31, row + tune, row + tune + headers, row + V7 tune, row + V7 tune + headers. Accurate/corrected dyno figures too. This will enable us to be categorically sure of the difference by being able to compare the power outputs vs airflow and timing advance.
For what it's worth though, while I've not got enough data to make an accurate assumption for the increased airflow (yet), I can for now say that the logs I have seen of the V7 tune, do indicate ignition timing increases which would be good for little over 20whp alone. I am basing this assumption on the 'norm' being 24 degree's ign advance (with a tune) when using regular super unleaded and not race fuel/ethanol. If 24 degree's is low for a tune, then ignore what I just said
I reached out to him to send me a data log so I can compare load, timing and maf g/s, but didn't hear back from him, so...
What I'm thinking is that what we need would be a sample of data from cars that are; bone stock, P31, row + tune, row + tune + headers, row + V7 tune, row + V7 tune + headers. Accurate/corrected dyno figures too. This will enable us to be categorically sure of the difference by being able to compare the power outputs vs airflow and timing advance.
For what it's worth though, while I've not got enough data to make an accurate assumption for the increased airflow (yet), I can for now say that the logs I have seen of the V7 tune, do indicate ignition timing increases which would be good for little over 20whp alone. I am basing this assumption on the 'norm' being 24 degree's ign advance (with a tune) when using regular super unleaded and not race fuel/ethanol. If 24 degree's is low for a tune, then ignore what I just said
I have the dyno log files if anyone can read them I don't have the correct software to do it. It might be telling by looking at the A/F throughout the pulls to see if there is more power to be unlocked.
07-24-2017, 12:20 PM
#107
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I run a Mac myself, and Dynojet does NOT provide a Mac-compatible software, unless you are willing to run a Windows session on your Mac (i'm not willing), so I am not able to do it myself.
Jim G
07-24-2017, 12:27 PM
#108
Maybe this is the root of the problem "Weistec stage 2. 538whp/534torques." not saying this is the case but if I spent close 20k on a supercharger and then someone comes along and is able to make 500whp NA with nothing more than a set of headers and a tune well that might ruffle some feathers.
07-24-2017, 12:31 PM
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If you are running a Windows computer versus a Mac, you can simply download the required software from the Dynojet website for free. Once you have the software, you can read any Dynojet file, and you can display the data in multiple ways to see specifically what you want to analyze. You can use different horizontal and vertical scales, display different parameters, compare STD versus SAE correction factors, etc. You can then also take screen snapshots that illustrate your specific findings.
I run a Mac myself, and Dynojet does NOT provide a Mac-compatible software, unless you are willing to run a Windows session on your Mac (i'm not willing), so I am not able to do it myself.
Jim G
I run a Mac myself, and Dynojet does NOT provide a Mac-compatible software, unless you are willing to run a Windows session on your Mac (i'm not willing), so I am not able to do it myself.
Jim G
Thanks Jim this is really helpful. I'll download the software tonight when I get home.
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07-24-2017, 06:39 PM
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I'm very interested to see what various set ups are flowing and doing vs their power outputs.
08-26-2017, 01:48 AM
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Maybe this is the root of the problem "Weistec stage 2. 538whp/534torques." not saying this is the case but if I spent close 20k on a supercharger and then someone comes along and is able to make 500whp NA with nothing more than a set of headers and a tune well that might ruffle some feathers.
08-27-2017, 08:03 PM
#112
Alright to avoid making a new thread I'm just gonna post my thoughts here-
Purchased v7 today coming from v5, killed about a half a tank playing with it to see the differences. So far this is what I've noticed:
-v7 without a doubt downshifts faster/harder than v5. I don't know if its because the transmission "logic" was reset when the new tune was applied but in all modes the transmission upshifts slower than v5 unless your wot
-v7 makes a lot more power from 4-5.5k rpm. I get that mapping it that way might be more "usable" from day to day but I liked how stock and v5 just kept building power harder up to redline. I'm not saying the car falls on its face after 5.5k, it just noticeably pulls less than what I was used to with v5
Overall it's a good tune, I have only messed with it for a few hours so I definitely have to spend some more time with v7 but right now if the car had to stay with either v5 or v7 for the remainder of my ownership I'd stick with v5. I don't know about you guys but I don't drive this car every day but every time I do I drive it pretty hard hitting redline at least a few times. v7 supposedly makes more power; I didn't feel that it did, just made power earlier.
Purchased v7 today coming from v5, killed about a half a tank playing with it to see the differences. So far this is what I've noticed:
-v7 without a doubt downshifts faster/harder than v5. I don't know if its because the transmission "logic" was reset when the new tune was applied but in all modes the transmission upshifts slower than v5 unless your wot
-v7 makes a lot more power from 4-5.5k rpm. I get that mapping it that way might be more "usable" from day to day but I liked how stock and v5 just kept building power harder up to redline. I'm not saying the car falls on its face after 5.5k, it just noticeably pulls less than what I was used to with v5
Overall it's a good tune, I have only messed with it for a few hours so I definitely have to spend some more time with v7 but right now if the car had to stay with either v5 or v7 for the remainder of my ownership I'd stick with v5. I don't know about you guys but I don't drive this car every day but every time I do I drive it pretty hard hitting redline at least a few times. v7 supposedly makes more power; I didn't feel that it did, just made power earlier.
08-27-2017, 10:55 PM
#113
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-v7 makes a lot more power from 4-5.5k rpm. I get that mapping it that way might be more "usable" from day to day but I liked how stock and v5 just kept building power harder up to redline. I'm not saying the car falls on its face after 5.5k, it just noticeably pulls less than what I was used to with v5.
08-27-2017, 11:27 PM
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08-28-2017, 10:37 AM
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08-28-2017, 11:58 AM
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Says a guy using lol after ever sentence
explain to me how it makes sense to you?
tune a makes a lot more power too end then tune b
tune b is way faster then tune a to the point that tune a feels almost like it falls on its face? Yep makes no sense contradictory statements ...
explain to me how it makes sense to you?
tune a makes a lot more power too end then tune b
tune b is way faster then tune a to the point that tune a feels almost like it falls on its face? Yep makes no sense contradictory statements ...
08-28-2017, 12:06 PM
#118
Says a guy using lol after ever sentence
explain to me how it makes sense to you?
tune a makes a lot more power too end then tune b
tune b is way faster then tune a to the point that tune a feels almost like it falls on its face? Yep makes no sense contradictory statements ...
explain to me how it makes sense to you?
tune a makes a lot more power too end then tune b
tune b is way faster then tune a to the point that tune a feels almost like it falls on its face? Yep makes no sense contradictory statements ...
08-29-2017, 12:06 AM
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What he means is midrange is better in V7... top end (in his opinion) is better with V5.
